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ATILLA 200 <PVS NV LBT EAGLE PEQ......a question....
4/11/2012 2:16:43 PM
Is this available on open market?...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/230772930182?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2648
http://www.ebay.com/itm/230772930182?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2648
4/11/2012 2:20:22 PM
nope.
4/11/2012 2:26:55 PM
No its not.
And if its genuine military, then its genuinely stolen. Only recently have the NVEC lasers been open to LE sales (the past year or so), so unless this was sold to some contractor while he was overseas no was is this legit.
And if its genuine military, then its genuinely stolen. Only recently have the NVEC lasers been open to LE sales (the past year or so), so unless this was sold to some contractor while he was overseas no was is this legit.
4/11/2012 3:06:48 PM
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
No its not.
And if its genuine military, then its genuinely stolen. Only recently have the NVEC lasers been open to LE sales (the past year or so), so unless this was sold to some contractor while he was overseas no was is this legit.
No its not.
And if its genuine military, then its genuinely stolen. Only recently have the NVEC lasers been open to LE sales (the past year or so), so unless this was sold to some contractor while he was overseas no was is this legit.
+1 Sigh...
We kinda knew with the Class 1 systems going out there LEGALLY folks would try to use the tactic that now ALL IR lasers are now somehow UN-restricted.
4/11/2012 3:34:36 PM
Call NVEC up and ask them. You can easily see the serial # on the unit. The side of the laser adjustment knob is busted.
Technically with the blue training switch, the output is lowered automatically to eyesafe class 1 levels.
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Questions and answers about this item
Q: what will be the shipping cost to Kazakhstan? Thanks
A: No international shipping!!
Lol!
Technically with the blue training switch, the output is lowered automatically to eyesafe class 1 levels.
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Questions and answers about this item
Q: what will be the shipping cost to Kazakhstan? Thanks
A: No international shipping!!
Lol!
4/11/2012 3:53:46 PM
Agent Wu will be all over that eBay sale. Stay far far away from it. You buy it and you will get a phone call about when they can come confiscate it. No, you don't get your money back. Ask me how I know ! 
ETA : They are nice when they come to pick it up. They even smile and give you a business card.
I was upset they had no candy for the kids but all in all not a bad experience. Lesson learned.
They watch the auction sites very closely and were even here ar the ARF watching the EE. Several people lost lasers. Just get a civvy legal one and you will avoid any drama. I had another laser but tragically it was lost while boating.
ETA : They are nice when they come to pick it up. They even smile and give you a business card.
I was upset they had no candy for the kids but all in all not a bad experience. Lesson learned.
They watch the auction sites very closely and were even here ar the ARF watching the EE. Several people lost lasers. Just get a civvy legal one and you will avoid any drama. I had another laser but tragically it was lost while boating.
4/11/2012 5:01:53 PM
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
No its not.
And if its genuine military, then its genuinely stolen. Only recently have the NVEC lasers been open to LE sales (the past year or so), so unless this was sold to some contractor while he was overseas no was is this legit.
No its not.
And if its genuine military, then its genuinely stolen. Only recently have the NVEC lasers been open to LE sales (the past year or so), so unless this was sold to some contractor while he was overseas no was is this legit.
They sell them to the military all over the world. CJ7Hawk found them at auction in Australia. They are legal but I can't import it. Against FDA regs for import. I really tried hard to find a way around the law. While it may be legal to own one I could find no way to purchase one that was not against the law and allows the Feds to confiscate it.
One exception. If DRMO screws up and you have a receipt you are gtg.
4/11/2012 5:33:28 PM
Originally Posted By Dino1130:
They sell them to the military all over the world. CJ7Hawk found them at auction in Australia. They are legal but I can't import it. Against FDA regs for import. I really tried hard to find a way around the law. While it may be legal to own one I could find no way to purchase one that was not against the law and allows the Feds to confiscate it.
One exception. If DRMO screws up and you have a receipt you are gtg.
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
No its not.
And if its genuine military, then its genuinely stolen. Only recently have the NVEC lasers been open to LE sales (the past year or so), so unless this was sold to some contractor while he was overseas no was is this legit.
No its not.
And if its genuine military, then its genuinely stolen. Only recently have the NVEC lasers been open to LE sales (the past year or so), so unless this was sold to some contractor while he was overseas no was is this legit.
They sell them to the military all over the world. CJ7Hawk found them at auction in Australia. They are legal but I can't import it. Against FDA regs for import. I really tried hard to find a way around the law. While it may be legal to own one I could find no way to purchase one that was not against the law and allows the Feds to confiscate it.
One exception. If DRMO screws up and you have a receipt you are gtg.
Dino, did they specifically tell you that specifically? If so, that's awesome, but they're still going to be incredibly difficult to come by
4/11/2012 5:36:07 PM
Originally Posted By fordkicksass:
Dino, did they specifically tell you that specifically? If so, that's awesome, but they're still going to be incredibly difficult to come by
Originally Posted By Dino1130:
They sell them to the military all over the world. CJ7Hawk found them at auction in Australia. They are legal but I can't import it. Against FDA regs for import. I really tried hard to find a way around the law. While it may be legal to own one I could find no way to purchase one that was not against the law and allows the Feds to confiscate it.
One exception. If DRMO screws up and you have a receipt you are gtg.
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
No its not.
And if its genuine military, then its genuinely stolen. Only recently have the NVEC lasers been open to LE sales (the past year or so), so unless this was sold to some contractor while he was overseas no was is this legit.
No its not.
And if its genuine military, then its genuinely stolen. Only recently have the NVEC lasers been open to LE sales (the past year or so), so unless this was sold to some contractor while he was overseas no was is this legit.
They sell them to the military all over the world. CJ7Hawk found them at auction in Australia. They are legal but I can't import it. Against FDA regs for import. I really tried hard to find a way around the law. While it may be legal to own one I could find no way to purchase one that was not against the law and allows the Feds to confiscate it.
One exception. If DRMO screws up and you have a receipt you are gtg.
Dino, did they specifically tell you that specifically? If so, that's awesome, but they're still going to be incredibly difficult to come by
Yes. Agent Wu told me that specifically. But, Agent Wu is in the business of rounding these lasers up so take it with a grain of salt.
ETA : I believe he is telling the truth though. If DRMO screws up and you have a receipt you legally purchased it. I can't find any law against owning one so I don't see how they could confiscate it.
4/11/2012 6:01:24 PM
The "purchase price" will be your rental fee for an unknown period of time.
4/12/2012 12:01:46 AM
Originally Posted By OdDuMet:
The "purchase price" will be your rental fee for an unknown period of time.
The "purchase price" will be your rental fee for an unknown period of time.
Now that sounds like a new signature line.
4/12/2012 3:03:24 PM
Questions and answers about this item
Q: what will be the shipping cost to Kazakhstan? Thanks
A: No international shipping!!
...that is pretty funny...
4/12/2012 4:26:11 PM
If you compare his eBay items to items here on arfcom, you will find that this guy is tenewel.
4/12/2012 4:55:28 PM
Originally Posted By CBottoms:
If you compare his eBay items to items here on arfcom, you will find that this guy is tenewel.
If you compare his eBay items to items here on arfcom, you will find that this guy is tenewel.
I sent an email asking if he'd be willing to weigh in on it. I'd like to know where it came from.
4/12/2012 4:56:21 PM
Realistically the only way you could secure one of these is with the proper variance from the FDA. I have one for work but it is limited in scope based on wavelength and output. There's nothing keeping me from including IR lasers when I reup my variance application but there's really no use for an IR laser at work, and even if there were handheld/weapons mounted lasers really aren't of the type I would be using. I don't think they would deny it based on that but it's not like I'd be able to use one outside of the scope of the variance so I couldn't use it on a weapon anyway.
The way variances are written, at least in my line of work, they're very specific so realistically there would be no way to use it, even if I got authorization from the FDA to purchase. It's just not worth the hassle when there are a few great Class 1 options on the market.
The way variances are written, at least in my line of work, they're very specific so realistically there would be no way to use it, even if I got authorization from the FDA to purchase. It's just not worth the hassle when there are a few great Class 1 options on the market.
4/12/2012 7:57:49 PM
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
I sent an email asking if he'd be willing to weigh in on it. I'd like to know where it came from.
Originally Posted By CBottoms:
If you compare his eBay items to items here on arfcom, you will find that this guy is tenewel.
If you compare his eBay items to items here on arfcom, you will find that this guy is tenewel.
I sent an email asking if he'd be willing to weigh in on it. I'd like to know where it came from.
I have no dog in this fight, I just noticed the pics were the same and put 2 and 2 together.
4/12/2012 8:41:28 PM
Originally Posted By Dino1130:
Yes. Agent Wu told me that specifically. But, Agent Wu is in the business of rounding these lasers up so take it with a grain of salt.
ETA : I believe he is telling the truth though. If DRMO screws up and you have a receipt you legally purchased it. I can't find any law against owning one so I don't see how they could confiscate it.
Originally Posted By fordkicksass:
Dino, did they specifically tell you that specifically? If so, that's awesome, but they're still going to be incredibly difficult to come by
Originally Posted By Dino1130:
They sell them to the military all over the world. CJ7Hawk found them at auction in Australia. They are legal but I can't import it. Against FDA regs for import. I really tried hard to find a way around the law. While it may be legal to own one I could find no way to purchase one that was not against the law and allows the Feds to confiscate it.
One exception. If DRMO screws up and you have a receipt you are gtg.
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
No its not.
And if its genuine military, then its genuinely stolen. Only recently have the NVEC lasers been open to LE sales (the past year or so), so unless this was sold to some contractor while he was overseas no was is this legit.
No its not.
And if its genuine military, then its genuinely stolen. Only recently have the NVEC lasers been open to LE sales (the past year or so), so unless this was sold to some contractor while he was overseas no was is this legit.
They sell them to the military all over the world. CJ7Hawk found them at auction in Australia. They are legal but I can't import it. Against FDA regs for import. I really tried hard to find a way around the law. While it may be legal to own one I could find no way to purchase one that was not against the law and allows the Feds to confiscate it.
One exception. If DRMO screws up and you have a receipt you are gtg.
Dino, did they specifically tell you that specifically? If so, that's awesome, but they're still going to be incredibly difficult to come by
Yes. Agent Wu told me that specifically. But, Agent Wu is in the business of rounding these lasers up so take it with a grain of salt.
ETA : I believe he is telling the truth though. If DRMO screws up and you have a receipt you legally purchased it. I can't find any law against owning one so I don't see how they could confiscate it.
I was told quite the opposite by a NCIS agent when he confiscated a .mil pvs14 tube from me. He said that DRMO often screws up, sells restricted items and that it doesn't change the fact that the item is restricted, hence .gov property.
Agent wu is viewing this from an HSI perspective.....CID, OSi and NCIS also get a vote.. That lesson cost me 2K.
4/12/2012 9:47:34 PM
Originally Posted By CBottoms:
I have no dog in this fight, I just noticed the pics were the same and put 2 and 2 together.
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
I sent an email asking if he'd be willing to weigh in on it. I'd like to know where it came from.
Originally Posted By CBottoms:
If you compare his eBay items to items here on arfcom, you will find that this guy is tenewel.
If you compare his eBay items to items here on arfcom, you will find that this guy is tenewel.
I sent an email asking if he'd be willing to weigh in on it. I'd like to know where it came from.
I have no dog in this fight, I just noticed the pics were the same and put 2 and 2 together.
Curiosity killed the cat...are you linking my name to this Ebay sale? Thank you for the trip under the bus. One, I don't sell on Ebay. Two, the only laser I've ever bought or sold was a Surefire L72 that was traded both ways on here. If I'm inferring wrong on this I appoligize. I've been up since 3 yesterday morning.
Now, here's what I know about NVEC and products that they provide for the military. Now, if I'm wrong on this information I'm wrong. But, from what I have seen about NVEC, they didn't supply directly to units. And by that I mean it didn't come through regular supply channels (CLII or CL VII). Most of their items were CLIV (replacement parts). A regular maintenace team could order these items on their ULLS-G computer. Because it came in as a replacement part (read that just like a nut, bolt, seal, bearing, etc) it was tracked by anyone unless it was recoverable. During the early days of OIF there were lots of people ordering these things (among a ton of other things I see for sale on numerous sites to include here).
I would love to have a PVS14 someday but the cheap ones (pricewise), and this is just my bet, were gained through the system like this. You can't convince me that you bought an item for $2800 two weeks ago, it lost it's novelty or usefulness, and you're willing to part with it for $1600. (Just theorehtical, not a real sale that I saw. But they're out there, to include thermal viewers, various4x and 6x night vision weapon sights, PVS 7 and 14 units, etc, etc, etc.)
As far as this laser goes I would bet that it was ordered during a trip to Asskracka-whereever. If you take that serial number I'd bet that it won't show up anywhere in the military system. If you run it through LEO it won't show up as stolen because no one knows it's gone. And, even though NVEC seems a professional enough company, who knows what tracking systems they have in place for their items.
Again, if I'm wrong about things, I'm wrong. But I'm not wrong very fuckin often. If I'm inferring wrong about the above statement, then again, I'm wrong. When I'm up longer than a day I'm fucking grumpy.
Edit: Just at this guys ad and saw his items and can definately see where the link to me (types of equipement and location) could be made. The purple sandles aren't really my style to sell (I'd wear them just to fuck with people). I can guess which shop this guy owns here but I can't prove it so I'll leave that be.
4/12/2012 9:50:16 PM
Originally Posted By pdm:
I was told quite the opposite by a NCIS agent when he confiscated a .mil pvs14 tube from me. He said that DRMO often screws up, sells restricted items and that it doesn't change the fact that the item is restricted, hence .gov property.
Agent wu is viewing this from an HSI perspective.....CID, OSi and NCIS also get a vote.. That lesson cost me 2K.
Originally Posted By Dino1130:
Yes. Agent Wu told me that specifically. But, Agent Wu is in the business of rounding these lasers up so take it with a grain of salt.
ETA : I believe he is telling the truth though. If DRMO screws up and you have a receipt you legally purchased it. I can't find any law against owning one so I don't see how they could confiscate it.
Originally Posted By fordkicksass:
Dino, did they specifically tell you that specifically? If so, that's awesome, but they're still going to be incredibly difficult to come by
Originally Posted By Dino1130:
They sell them to the military all over the world. CJ7Hawk found them at auction in Australia. They are legal but I can't import it. Against FDA regs for import. I really tried hard to find a way around the law. While it may be legal to own one I could find no way to purchase one that was not against the law and allows the Feds to confiscate it.
One exception. If DRMO screws up and you have a receipt you are gtg.
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
No its not.
And if its genuine military, then its genuinely stolen. Only recently have the NVEC lasers been open to LE sales (the past year or so), so unless this was sold to some contractor while he was overseas no was is this legit.
No its not.
And if its genuine military, then its genuinely stolen. Only recently have the NVEC lasers been open to LE sales (the past year or so), so unless this was sold to some contractor while he was overseas no was is this legit.
They sell them to the military all over the world. CJ7Hawk found them at auction in Australia. They are legal but I can't import it. Against FDA regs for import. I really tried hard to find a way around the law. While it may be legal to own one I could find no way to purchase one that was not against the law and allows the Feds to confiscate it.
One exception. If DRMO screws up and you have a receipt you are gtg.
Dino, did they specifically tell you that specifically? If so, that's awesome, but they're still going to be incredibly difficult to come by
Yes. Agent Wu told me that specifically. But, Agent Wu is in the business of rounding these lasers up so take it with a grain of salt.
ETA : I believe he is telling the truth though. If DRMO screws up and you have a receipt you legally purchased it. I can't find any law against owning one so I don't see how they could confiscate it.
I was told quite the opposite by a NCIS agent when he confiscated a .mil pvs14 tube from me. He said that DRMO often screws up, sells restricted items and that it doesn't change the fact that the item is restricted, hence .gov property.
Agent wu is viewing this from an HSI perspective.....CID, OSi and NCIS also get a vote.. That lesson cost me 2K.
I'd have to agree here with pdm. Just because DRMO screws up doesn't make it legal. It just allows items to get out in the public. Stateside I don't see this happening very ofter. A DRMO overseas, especially in Iraq, gets a lot more items or in a more tactical arena.
4/12/2012 11:05:50 PM
it sold for $1,594.66.......expensive rental....
4/13/2012 12:55:26 AM
Originally Posted By tenewel:
Curiosity killed the cat...are you linking my name to this Ebay sale? Thank you for the trip under the bus. One, I don't sell on Ebay. Two, the only laser I've ever bought or sold was a Surefire L72 that was traded both ways on here. If I'm inferring wrong on this I appoligize. I've been up since 3 yesterday morning.
Now, here's what I know about NVEC and products that they provide for the military. Now, if I'm wrong on this information I'm wrong. But, from what I have seen about NVEC, they didn't supply directly to units. And by that I mean it didn't come through regular supply channels (CLII or CL VII). Most of their items were CLIV (replacement parts). A regular maintenace team could order these items on their ULLS-G computer. Because it came in as a replacement part (read that just like a nut, bolt, seal, bearing, etc) it was tracked by anyone unless it was recoverable. During the early days of OIF there were lots of people ordering these things (among a ton of other things I see for sale on numerous sites to include here).
I would love to have a PVS14 someday but the cheap ones (pricewise), and this is just my bet, were gained through the system like this. You can't convince me that you bought an item for $2800 two weeks ago, it lost it's novelty or usefulness, and you're willing to part with it for $1600. (Just theorehtical, not a real sale that I saw. But they're out there, to include thermal viewers, various4x and 6x night vision weapon sights, PVS 7 and 14 units, etc, etc, etc.)
As far as this laser goes I would bet that it was ordered during a trip to Asskracka-whereever. If you take that serial number I'd bet that it won't show up anywhere in the military system. If you run it through LEO it won't show up as stolen because no one knows it's gone. And, even though NVEC seems a professional enough company, who knows what tracking systems they have in place for their items.
Again, if I'm wrong about things, I'm wrong. But I'm not wrong very fuckin often. If I'm inferring wrong about the above statement, then again, I'm wrong. When I'm up longer than a day I'm fucking grumpy.
Edit: Just at this guys ad and saw his items and can definately see where the link to me (types of equipement and location) could be made. The purple sandles aren't really my style to sell (I'd wear them just to fuck with people). I can guess which shop this guy owns here but I can't prove it so I'll leave that be.
Originally Posted By CBottoms:
I have no dog in this fight, I just noticed the pics were the same and put 2 and 2 together.
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
I sent an email asking if he'd be willing to weigh in on it. I'd like to know where it came from.
Originally Posted By CBottoms:
If you compare his eBay items to items here on arfcom, you will find that this guy is tenewel.
If you compare his eBay items to items here on arfcom, you will find that this guy is tenewel.
I sent an email asking if he'd be willing to weigh in on it. I'd like to know where it came from.
I have no dog in this fight, I just noticed the pics were the same and put 2 and 2 together.
Curiosity killed the cat...are you linking my name to this Ebay sale? Thank you for the trip under the bus. One, I don't sell on Ebay. Two, the only laser I've ever bought or sold was a Surefire L72 that was traded both ways on here. If I'm inferring wrong on this I appoligize. I've been up since 3 yesterday morning.
Now, here's what I know about NVEC and products that they provide for the military. Now, if I'm wrong on this information I'm wrong. But, from what I have seen about NVEC, they didn't supply directly to units. And by that I mean it didn't come through regular supply channels (CLII or CL VII). Most of their items were CLIV (replacement parts). A regular maintenace team could order these items on their ULLS-G computer. Because it came in as a replacement part (read that just like a nut, bolt, seal, bearing, etc) it was tracked by anyone unless it was recoverable. During the early days of OIF there were lots of people ordering these things (among a ton of other things I see for sale on numerous sites to include here).
I would love to have a PVS14 someday but the cheap ones (pricewise), and this is just my bet, were gained through the system like this. You can't convince me that you bought an item for $2800 two weeks ago, it lost it's novelty or usefulness, and you're willing to part with it for $1600. (Just theorehtical, not a real sale that I saw. But they're out there, to include thermal viewers, various4x and 6x night vision weapon sights, PVS 7 and 14 units, etc, etc, etc.)
As far as this laser goes I would bet that it was ordered during a trip to Asskracka-whereever. If you take that serial number I'd bet that it won't show up anywhere in the military system. If you run it through LEO it won't show up as stolen because no one knows it's gone. And, even though NVEC seems a professional enough company, who knows what tracking systems they have in place for their items.
Again, if I'm wrong about things, I'm wrong. But I'm not wrong very fuckin often. If I'm inferring wrong about the above statement, then again, I'm wrong. When I'm up longer than a day I'm fucking grumpy.
Edit: Just at this guys ad and saw his items and can definately see where the link to me (types of equipement and location) could be made. The purple sandles aren't really my style to sell (I'd wear them just to fuck with people). I can guess which shop this guy owns here but I can't prove it so I'll leave that be.
Sure gotta a lot of potential signature lines in this thread. hehehe
Also, NVEC (Night Vision Equipment Company) if that is what you're referring to is not in business any longer. They were purchased from DRS.
4/13/2012 1:28:21 AM
Gentleman, I am speaking from experience here. I have had a few things confiscated over the years. Vic laughs at me sometimes because he knows I search the auctions for deals. I often find them but sometimes I lose and the man shows up at my door to take it. I am careful and do my homework yet sometimes I still lose. Most every tube or laser I own is milspec. I know that much of this is legal and is not stolen.
Fact is that you roll the dice every time. I have been at this game a long time and even I can't always tell what is legal or not. I just take my chances and hope for the best knowing I will lose once in a while. PDM, your tube was lost because of an idiot. I will not mention names. You never call ITT or L3 on a milspec tube. The company that did is either very stupid or a complete retard. Take your pick. You should of NEVER lost your tube !!
The Gov lets go of so many tubes for LEO and others that's get resold it is impossible to know what is stolen or not. That is the problem. Nobody can tell, not even me. In the end we ALL paid for these tubes with our tax dollars. Being that tubes and lasers are impossible to tell if they are legal or not my advice is to just never post about them.
Never post a serial number and never post pics or send it in to a retard company that will call ITT. I will never call ITT on anything milspec. If you have any issue please send it to me and I will fix it without anyone knowing what you have. Due to the fact nobody can tell if milspec gear is stolen or not I feel I am in the right. The Gov needs better control and records of what was legally released. They don't bother with this so to protect upstanding Americans I offer my advice.
Fact is that you roll the dice every time. I have been at this game a long time and even I can't always tell what is legal or not. I just take my chances and hope for the best knowing I will lose once in a while. PDM, your tube was lost because of an idiot. I will not mention names. You never call ITT or L3 on a milspec tube. The company that did is either very stupid or a complete retard. Take your pick. You should of NEVER lost your tube !!
The Gov lets go of so many tubes for LEO and others that's get resold it is impossible to know what is stolen or not. That is the problem. Nobody can tell, not even me. In the end we ALL paid for these tubes with our tax dollars. Being that tubes and lasers are impossible to tell if they are legal or not my advice is to just never post about them.
Never post a serial number and never post pics or send it in to a retard company that will call ITT. I will never call ITT on anything milspec. If you have any issue please send it to me and I will fix it without anyone knowing what you have. Due to the fact nobody can tell if milspec gear is stolen or not I feel I am in the right. The Gov needs better control and records of what was legally released. They don't bother with this so to protect upstanding Americans I offer my advice.
4/13/2012 8:22:11 AM
Like I said, I know what I know and I can make an educated guess on a lot more.
Didn't know that NVEC was sold but it's been a long time since I've ordered parts and pieces.
I'm jaded when it comes to trying to buy anything that looks like it may have been procured through the route that I stated above. Or maybe it's not jaded. It may just be chickenshit. I don't make enough money to take the chance for a "rental". I know some of the things I've seen and some of the things I've heard. Then I can tie that in to what I can guess and there I are. I just won't make any accusations against another person about it without knowing for sure.
Didn't know that NVEC was sold but it's been a long time since I've ordered parts and pieces.
I'm jaded when it comes to trying to buy anything that looks like it may have been procured through the route that I stated above. Or maybe it's not jaded. It may just be chickenshit. I don't make enough money to take the chance for a "rental". I know some of the things I've seen and some of the things I've heard. Then I can tie that in to what I can guess and there I are. I just won't make any accusations against another person about it without knowing for sure.
4/15/2012 2:02:09 PM
Originally Posted By tenewel:
Like I said, I know what I know and I can make an educated guess on a lot more.
Didn't know that NVEC was sold but it's been a long time since I've ordered parts and pieces.
I'm jaded when it comes to trying to buy anything that looks like it may have been procured through the route that I stated above. Or maybe it's not jaded. It may just be chickenshit. I don't make enough money to take the chance for a "rental". I know some of the things I've seen and some of the things I've heard. Then I can tie that in to what I can guess and there I are. I just won't make any accusations against another person about it without knowing for sure.
Like I said, I know what I know and I can make an educated guess on a lot more.
Didn't know that NVEC was sold but it's been a long time since I've ordered parts and pieces.
I'm jaded when it comes to trying to buy anything that looks like it may have been procured through the route that I stated above. Or maybe it's not jaded. It may just be chickenshit. I don't make enough money to take the chance for a "rental". I know some of the things I've seen and some of the things I've heard. Then I can tie that in to what I can guess and there I are. I just won't make any accusations against another person about it without knowing for sure.
Understood, I've been mentioning this for YEARS when the onslaught of restricted stuff was being beginning to get sold on the open market. The "gang" around here (well not here anymore) was telling the masses TNVC was only warning folks because it was supposedly hurting our LE/Mil sales.
It just never ends with this bunch...Now we see over the last year the huge crack down that has transpired with restricted Mil gear that has been 99% stolen from the get go. 4/22/2012 7:17:33 AM
Originally Posted By TNVC:
Understood, I've been mentioning this for YEARS when the onslaught of restricted stuff was being beginning to get sold on the open market. The "gang" around here (well not here anymore) was telling the masses TNVC was only warning folks because it was supposedly hurting our LE/Mil sales. It just never ends with this bunch...Now we see over the last year the huge crack down that has transpired with restricted Mil gear that has been 99% stolen from the get go.
Originally Posted By tenewel:
Like I said, I know what I know and I can make an educated guess on a lot more.
Didn't know that NVEC was sold but it's been a long time since I've ordered parts and pieces.
I'm jaded when it comes to trying to buy anything that looks like it may have been procured through the route that I stated above. Or maybe it's not jaded. It may just be chickenshit. I don't make enough money to take the chance for a "rental". I know some of the things I've seen and some of the things I've heard. Then I can tie that in to what I can guess and there I are. I just won't make any accusations against another person about it without knowing for sure.
Like I said, I know what I know and I can make an educated guess on a lot more.
Didn't know that NVEC was sold but it's been a long time since I've ordered parts and pieces.
I'm jaded when it comes to trying to buy anything that looks like it may have been procured through the route that I stated above. Or maybe it's not jaded. It may just be chickenshit. I don't make enough money to take the chance for a "rental". I know some of the things I've seen and some of the things I've heard. Then I can tie that in to what I can guess and there I are. I just won't make any accusations against another person about it without knowing for sure.
Understood, I've been mentioning this for YEARS when the onslaught of restricted stuff was being beginning to get sold on the open market. The "gang" around here (well not here anymore) was telling the masses TNVC was only warning folks because it was supposedly hurting our LE/Mil sales.
It just never ends with this bunch...Now we see over the last year the huge crack down that has transpired with restricted Mil gear that has been 99% stolen from the get go. It's amazing the accusations that can be thrown out there out of blind guesses or sheer ignorance.
And like I said on the items that I see listed...I don't trust a bit of it. Especially if I knew that NVEC had them in the supply chain. And tie that in to the little tanky-tanky at the bottom of the name line and I can come to my own conclusions.
4/22/2012 11:03:03 AM
Originally Posted By Dino1130:
They sell them to the military all over the world. CJ7Hawk found them at auction in Australia. They are legal but I can't import it. Against FDA regs for import. I really tried hard to find a way around the law. While it may be legal to own one I could find no way to purchase one that was not against the law and allows the Feds to confiscate it.
One exception. If DRMO screws up and you have a receipt you are gtg.
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
No its not.
And if its genuine military, then its genuinely stolen. Only recently have the NVEC lasers been open to LE sales (the past year or so), so unless this was sold to some contractor while he was overseas no was is this legit.
No its not.
And if its genuine military, then its genuinely stolen. Only recently have the NVEC lasers been open to LE sales (the past year or so), so unless this was sold to some contractor while he was overseas no was is this legit.
They sell them to the military all over the world. CJ7Hawk found them at auction in Australia. They are legal but I can't import it. Against FDA regs for import. I really tried hard to find a way around the law. While it may be legal to own one I could find no way to purchase one that was not against the law and allows the Feds to confiscate it.
One exception. If DRMO screws up and you have a receipt you are gtg.
Just something to think about, can a DoD employee tell a civilian that the DoD has broken FDA rules but that is not a problem? My guess is looks like agent Wu did but does that make it law? no.( I would think that agent Wu was speeking for DOJ only) As long as the FDA receives no complaints or at best minor complaints they will not act. If they do act it would be to fine or imprison the sellers and ask for the units back, it looks like they (FDA) can not take them by force, however the DOD can if you can not produce proof that you bought it from DRMO.
Disclaimer, I am no lawyer or government employee nor do I have any irons in this fire, and yes I would like to have a good IR aiming unit.
4/26/2012 10:50:48 PM
Originally Posted By hugh1:
Just something to think about, can a DoD employee tell a civilian that the DoD has broken FDA rules but that is not a problem? My guess is looks like agent Wu did but does that make it law? no.( I would think that agent Wu was speeking for DOJ only) As long as the FDA receives no complaints or at best minor complaints they will not act. If they do act it would be to fine or imprison the sellers and ask for the units back, it looks like they (FDA) can not take them by force, however the DOD can if you can not produce proof that you bought it from DRMO.
Disclaimer, I am no lawyer or government employee nor do I have any irons in this fire, and yes I would like to have a good IR aiming unit.
Originally Posted By Dino1130:
They sell them to the military all over the world. CJ7Hawk found them at auction in Australia. They are legal but I can't import it. Against FDA regs for import. I really tried hard to find a way around the law. While it may be legal to own one I could find no way to purchase one that was not against the law and allows the Feds to confiscate it.
One exception. If DRMO screws up and you have a receipt you are gtg.
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
No its not.
And if its genuine military, then its genuinely stolen. Only recently have the NVEC lasers been open to LE sales (the past year or so), so unless this was sold to some contractor while he was overseas no was is this legit.
No its not.
And if its genuine military, then its genuinely stolen. Only recently have the NVEC lasers been open to LE sales (the past year or so), so unless this was sold to some contractor while he was overseas no was is this legit.
They sell them to the military all over the world. CJ7Hawk found them at auction in Australia. They are legal but I can't import it. Against FDA regs for import. I really tried hard to find a way around the law. While it may be legal to own one I could find no way to purchase one that was not against the law and allows the Feds to confiscate it.
One exception. If DRMO screws up and you have a receipt you are gtg.
Just something to think about, can a DoD employee tell a civilian that the DoD has broken FDA rules but that is not a problem? My guess is looks like agent Wu did but does that make it law? no.( I would think that agent Wu was speeking for DOJ only) As long as the FDA receives no complaints or at best minor complaints they will not act. If they do act it would be to fine or imprison the sellers and ask for the units back, it looks like they (FDA) can not take them by force, however the DOD can if you can not produce proof that you bought it from DRMO.
Disclaimer, I am no lawyer or government employee nor do I have any irons in this fire, and yes I would like to have a good IR aiming unit.
Pretty good statement Hugh. I am no lawyer either. I suspect many tubes and lasers could be won back in a court of law. Then again, you are fighting an entity with unlimited funds. That is why I usually let them have it with a smile on my face. I will fight when it is cost effective. Most of the time it is not.
