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PVS-14 from JRH Enterprises?
3/15/2012 3:05:00 PM
Anybody have any experience with these? I know this thread tends to get dominated by TNVC and crew, but I'm on a budget big time. I could get a Gen III Pinnacle PVS-14 from JRH and a DBAL-I2 from TNVC for the same price as a Pinnacle PVS-14 from TNVC. I emailed them with a few questions, here is their very quick response:
"No this isn't anything we are putting together ourselves in a garage....
You mentioned Survival Blog, Jim Rawles bought an upgraded unit from us years ago and we put his comments in the item description. He takes this seriously and doesn't buy junk.
This is NOT a cobbled together, some russian parts, some american parts type deal. These are real PVS14's.
Yes each unit comes with the factory data sheet as all new PVS14's should. All units have a FIVE YEAR warranty.
The upgraded version is going to have higher LP, slightly brighter and clearer tube. Otherwise they are identical, same accessories, same warranty, etc.
This is the lowest we've ever run them and the sale is ending in a day or so. This was a last minute authorized sale, once it's over, it's over. Sometimes we can "stretch" or "hold over" a price a day or so after a sale ends, often times they won't allow it.
If you have any further questions let me know or call us Monday.
Thanks
XXXXX"
Long story short, they have a 5 year warranty and are Pinnacle tubes for a pretty good price. They have two options:
PVS-14 $2895
PVS-14 $3195
Like I said, I know this area is mostly dominated by TNVC, but these look like a good deal on fully warranted factory units. Thoughts?
"No this isn't anything we are putting together ourselves in a garage....
You mentioned Survival Blog, Jim Rawles bought an upgraded unit from us years ago and we put his comments in the item description. He takes this seriously and doesn't buy junk.
This is NOT a cobbled together, some russian parts, some american parts type deal. These are real PVS14's.
Yes each unit comes with the factory data sheet as all new PVS14's should. All units have a FIVE YEAR warranty.
The upgraded version is going to have higher LP, slightly brighter and clearer tube. Otherwise they are identical, same accessories, same warranty, etc.
This is the lowest we've ever run them and the sale is ending in a day or so. This was a last minute authorized sale, once it's over, it's over. Sometimes we can "stretch" or "hold over" a price a day or so after a sale ends, often times they won't allow it.
If you have any further questions let me know or call us Monday.
Thanks
XXXXX"
Long story short, they have a 5 year warranty and are Pinnacle tubes for a pretty good price. They have two options:
PVS-14 $2895
PVS-14 $3195
Like I said, I know this area is mostly dominated by TNVC, but these look like a good deal on fully warranted factory units. Thoughts?
3/15/2012 3:31:16 PM
Seems to be some strong sales language in there. Never heard of them. Caveat emptor.
3/15/2012 5:22:05 PM
wow. That is cheap! In translation, they want $300 more for hand select.
The reviews mention a quick detach mount, but its not listed in the description.
Are these Night Enforcers?
The reviews mention a quick detach mount, but its not listed in the description.
Are these Night Enforcers?
3/15/2012 5:54:18 PM
Run away as fast as you can. I should know.
AC
AC
3/15/2012 6:10:15 PM
My buddy said, they are not ITT Factory Units. They are not Night Enforcers. They are supposed to be made from MilSpec parts from Night Vision Depot.
The "straight from the factory," statement is really misleading.
The "straight from the factory," statement is really misleading.
3/15/2012 7:45:30 PM
A quick review of the ads on their site show the following.
1. No specifications are posted... Anywhere...
2. It's not really possible to "upgrade" a PVS-14 and they don't say what "upgraded" means either. It just costs more. And if the configuration is different, they should mention what is different, not just say upgraded.
3. All accessories at cost? They don't even list accessories so does that mean they are selling you what should come in the bag? Well, they do have a compass and a headmount and a riflemount, which cost around $400 all up so you may end up having to buy those too.
4. Claim to be the best, stuff like that. I don't know about the US, but that kind of advert is frowned upon in Australia.
The comments about survival blog appear to be true though.
If you are seriously thinking about buying from these guys, ask who backs the warranty - the Night Enforcers, for example, are backed by ITT and come with a pre-filled return bag included, which means that if you sell the scope, the next person gets to keep the warranty and so on. Also it does not matter if anything happens to the person you bought it from - ITT will continue to honor the warranty - something important to consider about any warranty longer than 2 years.
Full MilSpec? Yet they don't even mention specs? Hmmm... Omni I was "Full Milspec" - Caveat Emptor.
And FWIW, compare -
JRH - $2895 - "ITT Pinnacle, of some unnamed type, Milspec?, No specs, no history."
TNVC - $2995 - "L3 Milspec unit, well known manufacturer, specs provided. Honest advertising"
*and* the JRH units are on special down from $3200 or thereabouts.
For what it's worth, JRHenterprises might be good honest people but they clearly don't specialise in NV gear and there's only $100 between their special and TNVC's entry-level PVS-14. Not that much of a difference is it? If you do buy from them, be very careful and ask a lot of questions.
Because while you might get a bargain, you might get burned also. Best I can say is use your head. And give Vic a call and check both TNVC and JRH out yourself - by speaking to both you'll get a feel for which deal is better.
Regards
David.
3/15/2012 8:49:58 PM
When I called them up a while ago, (The sale has been going on for a several months now I believe) they said that they were Night Vision Depot PVS-14s, so I believe the upgraded model is the NVD-PVS-14-P+ and the normal one is the NVD-PVS-14-P.
3/15/2012 11:13:50 PM
If they are the nv depot pvs-14 p+ units about normal price and I am sure they are first rate units. If they build them in house who knows?
3/19/2012 11:42:21 AM
The PVS14's we sell (JRH Enterprises) come from Night Vision Depot.
We (JRH) have 20 years in business, they (Night Vision Depot) have been around for a long while as well.
This is TNVC's forum, so I'll be clear I'm not here to "sell" anything. In my 1200 or so posts on Arfcom I've only mentioned my company once or twice so clearly not a spammer. However to clarify a couple questions that came up in this thread:
Night Vision is not our "only" line of business, that is correct.
Yes Jim Rawles of Survival Blog got a set from us a few years ago. The comments he made on his blog are listed in the item description for the units we sell.
The "Upgrade" is the PVS14 P+ on the NVDepot website- www.nvdepot.com
Yes it's a 5 year warranty, all through Night Vision Depot, a well known and long respected name in the Night Vision Industry.
We have never hide any of this and these are the same responses you would get emailing these same questions.
People are always welcome to email or call with questions. This however is TNVC's forum and I don't want to step on anyone's toes. I did not start this thread but certain things needed clarification which is why I posted here. I normally only post or look at the survival forum here on Arfcom.
Robert
Lowdown3
We (JRH) have 20 years in business, they (Night Vision Depot) have been around for a long while as well.
This is TNVC's forum, so I'll be clear I'm not here to "sell" anything. In my 1200 or so posts on Arfcom I've only mentioned my company once or twice so clearly not a spammer. However to clarify a couple questions that came up in this thread:
Night Vision is not our "only" line of business, that is correct.
Yes Jim Rawles of Survival Blog got a set from us a few years ago. The comments he made on his blog are listed in the item description for the units we sell.
The "Upgrade" is the PVS14 P+ on the NVDepot website- www.nvdepot.com
Yes it's a 5 year warranty, all through Night Vision Depot, a well known and long respected name in the Night Vision Industry.
We have never hide any of this and these are the same responses you would get emailing these same questions.
People are always welcome to email or call with questions. This however is TNVC's forum and I don't want to step on anyone's toes. I did not start this thread but certain things needed clarification which is why I posted here. I normally only post or look at the survival forum here on Arfcom.
Robert
Lowdown3
3/19/2012 1:00:27 PM
Lowdown3, you are welcome here, and welcome to answer specific questions without being a paid advertiser. Obviously we cannot allow direct selling or marketing by companies who do not advertise here, but answering questions is not a problem. 
The only time this becomes an issue is when companies use shills to post "questions" with the specific intent of giving a company a opportunity to jump in. That is dealt with harshly, for obvious reasons.
Oh, and this forum is NOT "for TNVC" only. They are a paid advertiser, and therefore have an Industry Forum, but this forum is for general use and is not owned or controlled by them in any way.
The only time this becomes an issue is when companies use shills to post "questions" with the specific intent of giving a company a opportunity to jump in. That is dealt with harshly, for obvious reasons.
Oh, and this forum is NOT "for TNVC" only. They are a paid advertiser, and therefore have an Industry Forum, but this forum is for general use and is not owned or controlled by them in any way.
3/19/2012 4:02:41 PM
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
Lowdown3, you are welcome here, and welcome to answer specific questions without being a paid advertiser. Obviously we cannot allow direct selling or marketing by companies who do not advertise here, but answering questions is not a problem.
The only time this becomes an issue is when companies use shills to post "questions" with the specific intent of giving a company a opportunity to jump in. That is dealt with harshly, for obvious reasons.
Oh, and this forum is NOT "for TNVC" only. They are a paid advertiser, and therefore have an Industry Forum, but this forum is for general use and is not owned or controlled by them in any way.
Lowdown3, you are welcome here, and welcome to answer specific questions without being a paid advertiser. Obviously we cannot allow direct selling or marketing by companies who do not advertise here, but answering questions is not a problem.
The only time this becomes an issue is when companies use shills to post "questions" with the specific intent of giving a company a opportunity to jump in. That is dealt with harshly, for obvious reasons.
Oh, and this forum is NOT "for TNVC" only. They are a paid advertiser, and therefore have an Industry Forum, but this forum is for general use and is not owned or controlled by them in any way.
My thanks, and my apologies. I hope it was clear that my intent was NOT to "sell" anything, however their was some information that did need to be clarified. I have much respect for the staff here, Arfcom in general AND TNVC so above all else I wanted to avoid starting any problems.
3/20/2012 1:39:03 AM
Originally Posted By AC_Doctor:
Run away as fast as you can. I should know.
AC
Run away as fast as you can. I should know.
AC
+1
3/20/2012 2:42:23 AM
Lowdown3,
Welcome to the Night Vision forum. Hang around and make yourself at home. There is almost always something to learn about here that is not about the manufacturer's or the vendors. There are some technical questions, some "has anyone dealt with" posts, and a lot of basic questions anyone would ask before spending $ 1,000+ on some level of night vision. After three years (two as a member/team member), I've found this to be the rarest of internet forums - a place where technical discussions come first, opinions are respected and a willingness to "push the envelope" of a given technology is encouraged.
This is not TNVC's forum and Vic and his people do not remotely treat it as such. Occasionally, one specific IP stops by and generally acts like they are still in junior high - but most of us have learned that person's ego is bigger than the knowledge they are willing to share about night vision.
Every so often, cj7hawk does a technical post guaranteed to make you think. I like reading them and would love to know half of what he knows of the underlying technology.
3/20/2012 8:02:17 PM
Hi Robert,
Originally Posted By Lowdown3:
People are always welcome to email or call with questions. This however is TNVC's forum and I don't want to step on anyone's toes. I did not start this thread but certain things needed clarification which is why I posted here. I normally only post or look at the survival forum here on Arfcom.
People are always welcome to email or call with questions. This however is TNVC's forum and I don't want to step on anyone's toes. I did not start this thread but certain things needed clarification which is why I posted here. I normally only post or look at the survival forum here on Arfcom.
A good response and quite reasonable I thought. Thank you for coming into the forum and clarifying. There's a lot of dodgy specials out there and so many people on this forum get burnt buying from people who don't really know what they are selling or worse.
But if you are willing to come into the forum and answer questions, you'll find most of us respect that so I'm glad you posted.
BTW, NVDepot don't claim that their PVS-14's are Milspec on their website - so that's something you might want to check. Milspec infers that a monocular has an NSN number and was made for part of a contract. Even if the scope doesn't have a NSN number, it should still be possible to identify the contract for which it was specifically made ( both the tube and the housing ). Otherwise claiming "full mil spec" is a bit misleading if you can't identify which mil spec it conforms to.
From what I can see of the NVdepot monoculars are commspec not milspec - not that this means a great deal - but getting the detail correct in your advertising is important.
And I hope you might stick around and participate in the forum - NV is an interesting world and is well worth understanding - especially if you're selling it. Your customers will appreciate it if you can help them with more technical questions.
Regards
David
3/20/2012 8:32:24 PM
Thanks again for coming on here and clearing that up. The NV-Depot are Mil spec 14 housing and ITT SLG Tubes in different grades P, P+ with 5 year system warranty not a AN/PVS-14 mil spec tube. The last two SLG pinnacle systems I received from NV depot were super high performance spec on every spec plus clean image screen. One was over 32 SN!
