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NFA Full auto NOOB.
2/9/2012 5:56:13 PM
Dumb question I know but here goes... Im getting ready to start my NFA trust process and I was wondering what if any differences are involved in filing for ownership of a full auto vice a SBR. I know what steps are involved in filling for a SBR but am unfamiliar if anything is different when buying or building a full auto.
2/9/2012 6:07:50 PM
The paperwork for buying a MG is the same as buying a SBR (form 4). Since you are about 26 years too late to form 1 a full auto so I would recommend looking around on subguns or sturmgewher to get an idea on what's available.
Some states like LA, NC and VA require state or county registration but that's about it. What are you looking for?
Good luck and I hope you have deep pockets. MG's are expensive but keeping them well fed is even worse
Some states like LA, NC and VA require state or county registration but that's about it. What are you looking for?
Good luck and I hope you have deep pockets. MG's are expensive but keeping them well fed is even worse
2/9/2012 6:16:01 PM
I was more talking about building a full auto ar.
2/9/2012 6:17:39 PM
Originally Posted By bbwalker665:
I was more talking about building a full auto ar.
I was more talking about building a full auto ar.
Not possible unless you are an SOT
2/9/2012 6:35:10 PM
SOT?
2/9/2012 6:42:45 PM
Originally Posted By bbwalker665:
SOT?
SOT?
SOT.....Special Occupational Taxpayers are a group of Federal Firearm Licensees who manufacture, import and/or transfer NFA weapons.
2/9/2012 7:01:18 PM
Originally Posted By bbwalker665:
SOT?
SOT?
Special Occupational Tax
NFA - National Firearms Act of 1934
GCA - Gun Control Act of 1968
FOPA - Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, also machine gun ban.
Machine guns were banned in 1986. Their are some (few) exceptions.
The only way to obtain a machine gun, as an individual, is to have one transferred on a form 4, requiring $200 tax stamp, plus the cost of the item itself. The NFA regisitry for newly manufactured machine guns was closed in 1986 as a result of the machine gun ban.
With that said, the only machine guns that an individual (you) can own, are the ones made and registered prior to 1986. Hence why they are so expensive.
The other exception is Manufactures of NFA items. FFL type 07 Manufacturer of Firearms Other Than Destructive Devices, with a class 2 SOT manufacturer and dealer of NFA items, may make new machine guns. However, they are only usable as demo's and weapons to government/Law enforcement departments. An individual can not buy these. Their is criteria to meet, in order to do this. GCA, ITAR and NFA for example.
Jeremy
2/9/2012 7:04:24 PM
If you buy a full auto you dont have to "make" it an SBR to put shorter than 16" barrels on it. Is that what you are trying to get at?
2/9/2012 7:08:55 PM
Originally Posted By bbwalker665:
I was more talking about building a full auto ar.
I was more talking about building a full auto ar.
You can no longer make a machinegun like you can an SBR, via a Form 1. That window closed on 5/19/1986.
You can still purchase machineguns which were made and registered with the ATF before that date, but you do so on a Form 4 (application to transfer and register a firearm) as opposed to being able to create a new one on Form 1 (application to make and register a firearm).
A "full auto AR" starts at $7000, minimum, for a registered pre-86 conversion ("transferrable"), to over $20,000 or more for rare factory M16 variants.
As noted above, the only ones who make new machineguns for the past 26 years, have been FFLs with manufacturing licenses, who pay a special yearly tax (the special occupation tax, or SOT), and are only allowed to sell the machineguns they make to military or law enforcment, or for export.
2/9/2012 9:56:03 PM
No difference in the paperwork for a Form 4. Machine guns are just about ten times the cost of a similar SBR b/c you have to buy a machine gun made before May 1986.
