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Newby NFA question

vicfeldman [Member]

1/9/2012 11:13:57 AM

I’m confused….I thought that full auto weapons have to be made prior to 1968. I keep reading about guys running their builds full auto. For example I read about a guy having no problems running his CMMG dedicated 9mm lower on full auto. How are folks getting around the NFA rules? (More importantly, how can I?)

Also I read about lowers having the low shelf. If it is a new lower, why does this matter? Goes to the question above?

Thanks

Vic

DCMoney [Team Member]

1/9/2012 11:33:19 AM

Originally Posted By vicfeldman:
I’m confused….I thought that full auto weapons have to be made prior to 1968. I keep reading about guys running their builds full auto. For example I read about a guy having no problems running his CMMG dedicated 9mm lower on full auto. How are folks getting around the NFA rules? (More importantly, how can I?)

Also I read about lowers having the low shelf. If it is a new lower, why does this matter? Goes to the question above?

Thanks

Vic

The Hughes Amendment

Probably using a DIAS (drop in auto sear) Link allowing a lower with proper fire control group and DIAS to shoot full auto/burst in any(?) AR platform.

JoshAston [Life Member]

1/9/2012 11:45:35 AM

There is no getting around the NFA rules, at least not legally. And it was 1986, not 1968. There are conversion devices, such as the Registered Drop In Auto Sear (RDIAS) mention above and the Registered Lightning Link (RLL) that are registered as Machine Guns themselves. Alone, they're pretty useless, but they can be combined with any AR lower machined to accept them and convert the AR to full auto.

Low shelf/High shelf has nothing to do with quality. It has to do with ability to accept a RDIAS. High shelf lowers have less material removed around the area of the takedown lug, so they won't accept conversion devices. Low shelf lowers are already machined to accept conversion devices. They just need the conversion device, the proper fire control group, and the proper bolt carrier.

Also, keep in mind that having an M16 fire control group in a lower with an RDIAS in it is perfectly legal. But once you remove the conversion device the lower is no longer considered a machine gun, and all machine gun parts have to come out.

vicfeldman [Member]

1/9/2012 12:05:46 PM

Thanks

so if want to go FA..whats the best route? Whats are M16 lowers going for these days?

bigcbass [Team Member]

1/9/2012 12:07:25 PM

68 stopped the importation of machine guns to the US for transfer to the general public. 86 stopped the manufacture of machine guns for transfer to the general public.

The guys you are reading about are probably FFL/SOT manufactuers or dealers and have post-86 dealer law enforement demonstration samples.

prebans [Team Member]

1/9/2012 5:10:45 PM

Originally Posted By bigcbass:
68 stopped the importation of machine guns to the US for transfer to the general public. 86 stopped the manufacture of machine guns for transfer to the general public.

The guys you are reading about are probably FFL/SOT manufactuers or dealers and have post-86 dealer law enforement demonstration samples.

FYI, the 1968 GCA stopped the importation and reimportation of ALL NFA.

Mike

bimmertech87 [Member]

1/9/2012 5:45:01 PM

In general a rr goes for $10k and up

Circuits [Team Member]

1/9/2012 6:19:35 PM

Originally Posted By prebans:
FYI, the 1968 GCA stopped the importation and reimportation of ALL NFA.

Mike

It didn't stop importation, it made all imported NFA into dealer samples.