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 Moving in 1 month; how to notify ATF of address change?
robgriz  [Member]
7/24/2008 9:42:21 PM
I'm moving in the next month from one neighborhood of Philadelphia, PA to another. Right now I only have 1 can on a Form 4 using a trust. I'd like to notify the ATF of my change of address, just to keep things on the up-and-up. Does anyone have the right address/name at the ATF of whomever I should write to?

How about my Trust? Do I have to update that also?

Thanks.

Rob
6172crew  [Member]
7/24/2008 9:58:39 PM
Im pretty sure that cans dont need to be reported as long as they stay in the same state.
tony_k  [Moderator]
7/25/2008 8:01:06 AM
Be aware that BATFE is buried in Form 1/2/3/4/5 applications right now, and turnaround times for those have doubled.

Changes such as yours (in-state addresses) are not required by federal law and thus given the lowest priority, and right now BATFE is saying to expect a two- to three-year wait before they make the change in the NFA Registry and notify you.

If you really want to add to ATF's workload, though, send your letter to:

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
National Firearms Act Branch
244 Needy Road
Martinsburg, West Virginia 25405

As far as the trust changes go, that may vary by state, so check with someone in Pa.
Marlow  [Member]
7/25/2008 12:20:15 PM

Originally Posted By tony_k:
Be aware that BATFE is buried in Form 1/2/3/4/5 applications right now, and turnaround times for those have doubled.

Changes such as yours (in-state addresses) are not required by federal law and thus given the lowest priority, and right now BATFE is saying to expect a two- to three-year wait before they make the change in the NFA Registry and notify you.

If you really want to add to ATF's workload, though, send your letter to:

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
National Firearms Act Branch
244 Needy Road
Martinsburg, West Virginia 25405

As far as the trust changes go, that may vary by state, so check with someone in Pa.


I called the BATF and this is what they told me... If I have title 2 SBRs, I need to fill out the following form in duplicate and send the copies to them...

http://www.atf.gov/forms/pdfs/f532020.pdf

Is this required? By the sound of your post, it doesn't sound like it. I'm not even changing zip codes from one house to the next. Just movin on up...
eodinert  [Member]
7/25/2008 12:21:17 PM
It's not required. Don't waste their time.
tony_k  [Moderator]
7/25/2008 2:08:09 PM

Originally Posted By Marlow:
I called the BATF and this is what they told me... If I have title 2 SBRs, I need to fill out the following form in duplicate and send the copies to them...

http://www.atf.gov/forms/pdfs/f532020.pdf

Is this required? By the sound of your post, it doesn't sound like it. I'm not even changing zip codes from one house to the next. Just movin on up...

Open the .pdf document form, and see what it is titled: Application to Transport Interstate or to Temporarily Export Certain National Firearms Act (NFA) Firearms.

Then read the first sentence of the instructions on Page 2 of the application: a. A written request and prior authorization from ATF to transport interstate or in foreign commerce any destructive device, machinegun, short-barreled rifle, or short-barreled shotgun is required under the provisions of Section 922 (a)(4), Title 18, U.S.C., and Section 478.28, Title 27, CFR, a letter of request, in duplicate, containing all information required on this form, may be submitted in lieu of the form.

Are you transporting them interstate, or exporting them from the U.S.? If not, there is no legal requirement for you to file this form.
robgriz  [Member]
7/25/2008 4:17:30 PM
Thanks for all of the advice. I'll probably submit a 5320.20 to keep everything on the safe side. Although it might make for more work for the ATF in a few years, when they get to this paperwork, I'd rather keep all of my paperwork and addresses 100% problem free.

Maybe I've just read too many posts suggesting that if my NFA paperwork isn't correct and consistent, something bad will happen.

Rob
SSeric02  [Team Member]
7/25/2008 9:51:07 PM

Originally Posted By robgriz:
Thanks for all of the advice. I'll probably submit a 5320.20 to keep everything on the safe side. Although it might make for more work for the ATF in a few years, when they get to this paperwork, I'd rather keep all of my paperwork and addresses 100% problem free.

Maybe I've just read too many posts suggesting that if my NFA paperwork isn't correct and consistent, something bad will happen.

Rob


You do not need to request permission to move a suppressor between states. You do not need to request permission to move any NFA in the same state. Submitting a form 5320.20 does absolutely nothing in this case to keep anything "on the safe side." It does add to ATF's growing backlog for everyone who is required to submit paperwork to them.

In fact, there is no requirement to notify them of a change of address, but they do ask you to as a courtesy. This can be accomplised by writing a simple letter and submitting it to the address in WVA listed on the ATF's website.
stretch415  [Team Member]
7/28/2008 10:46:42 AM
I just sent in my change of address form and got it back in 5 days mailbox to mailbox via regular mail
5oulja  [Team Member]
7/29/2008 1:00:49 PM
got mine back in 6 days. Better be safe than sorry
Homeinvader  [Team Member]
7/29/2008 2:39:39 PM

Originally Posted By robgriz:
Thanks for all of the advice. I'll probably submit a 5320.20 to keep everything on the safe side. Although it might make for more work for the ATF in a few years, when they get to this paperwork, I'd rather keep all of my paperwork and addresses 100% problem free.

Maybe I've just read too many posts suggesting that if my NFA paperwork isn't correct and consistent, something bad will happen.

Rob


Please don't send in a 5320. That's for interstate travel, which you are not undertaking and you are making a bad situation worse by using a regulatory form for something other than it's purpose.

if you feel you have to notify them, then simply send them a letter notifying them of the change of address. There is no official form for this purpose because there is no official requirement to do so. But again, please do not confuse the situation by using a 5320. It does not apply here.
stretch415  [Team Member]
7/29/2008 2:53:00 PM
are you sure on that? It asks if the transfer is temporary or permenent. They signed off on mine without any questions and now I have a document showing that I have notifed them of the change.
DallasLooterShooter  [Team Member]
7/29/2008 3:24:11 PM
I would call them and ask. Get the person's name too.

I would fill out a form and keep it for your records, that way they can't come mess with you down the road on a technicality.
Homeinvader  [Team Member]
7/29/2008 7:57:43 PM

Originally Posted By stretch415:
are you sure on that? It asks if the transfer is temporary or permenent. They signed off on mine without any questions and now I have a document showing that I have notified them of the change.


Then you've been misusing the 5320 and causing unnecessary paperwork burden on the ATF. The 5320 is strictly for interstate transport of certain NFA firearms. If you move to a new home in another state, then this would be a permanent interstate move and you must have an approved 5320. If you take your NFA firearms to an MG shoot in another state, then this is a temporary interstate move and you must have an approved 5320.

If you cross state lines with an MG, DD, SBR or SBS, then you must have an approved 5320. Intrastate changes of residence, meaning within the same state, are not federally regulated and require no notification or correspondence with ATF. AOWs and Suppressors do not require a 5320 for any travel, interstate or otherwise.

ETA: I have to say, being careful and covering yourself does not mean you should flood ATF with unnecessary form submissions, correspondence and phone calls "just in case". It means you should educate yourself fully on all the legalities and what they all mean practically speaking. This is the sort of rookie mistake that everyone pays for because it overburdens NFA Branch and slows down the legitimate process.

If an in-state change of address notification was mandatory, you can be sure there would be an official form that covers it.
Somewhereinthemiddle  [Member]
8/3/2008 7:55:03 PM
You are NOT required to notify them of a move IN THE SAME STATE.

Only interstate moves are required, and then ONLY for machineguns, short barrels, and DD's. Suppressors and AOW's have no requirement.

If you move out of state or take your item out of state to a shoot or somthing you will want to fill out and mail/fax an ATF Form 5320.20 or Form 20. Again, its not required for suppressors or AOW's.. Just MG/SBR/SBS/DD.

Dont waste your time. They do not care nor will they EVER come to your home and inspect your stuff.