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sniper7  [Member]
10/18/2007 2:55:08 PM
i need a link about drop in auto sears.
Can these still be had and can you still legally convert an AR into full auto and register it etc.?
sprayandpray  [Team Member]
10/18/2007 4:10:52 AM
Who has the " It's a trap " Logo?
rcr29  [Team Member]
10/18/2007 4:11:47 AM
Registered Drop In Auto Sears (RDIAS) can still be legally had and are considered a machine gun by the ATF. The firearm that the RDIAS is installed into does not need to be registered. An RDIAS is pricey though. Check out the Class 3 section for more info.
PromptCritical  [Team Member]
10/18/2007 4:12:02 AM

Originally Posted By sniper7:
i need a link about drop in auto sears.
Can these still be had and can you still legally convert an AR into full auto and register it etc.?


www.quarterbore.com

Yes. No.
osprey21  [Team Member]
10/18/2007 4:45:10 AM
sniper7  [Member]
10/18/2007 4:53:05 AM

Originally Posted By PromptCritical:

Originally Posted By sniper7:
i need a link about drop in auto sears.
Can these still be had and can you still legally convert an AR into full auto and register it etc.?


www.quarterbore.com

Yes. No.


so basically you can buy the sear, but you can't legally have the machine gun. is that what you are saying?

Is there any way around it, or do you have to just buy the registered full auto M-16
1Andy2  [Member]
10/18/2007 5:01:45 AM

Originally Posted By sniper7:

Originally Posted By PromptCritical:

Originally Posted By sniper7:
i need a link about drop in auto sears.
Can these still be had and can you still legally convert an AR into full auto and register it etc.?


www.quarterbore.com

Yes. No.


so basically you can buy the sear, but you can't legally have the machine gun. is that what you are saying?

Is there any way around it, or do you have to just buy the registered full auto M-16


Dude, all the info you seek is on the link.

In a nutshell, if you want to LEGALLY make your semi-auto AR-15 go full-auto, you have to buy a registered DIAS. The DIAS is considered the MG. Thats why they sell for almost as much as the registered M-16 recievers. I don't know what your AR-15 is classified as, once you put the DIAS in the gun or if you have to register the gun itself. I kind of doubt it, as you already paid the $200 tax on the registered DIAS. Do the homework and find out.

Don't buy the $150 "pre-81 DIAS." They aren't registered and are illegal to put in an AR-15. By case law, its illegal to possess one if you also possess and AR-15.
kcolg30  [Member]
10/18/2007 6:12:54 AM
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sprayandpray  [Team Member]
10/18/2007 6:13:55 AM
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kcolg30  [Member]
10/18/2007 6:16:54 AM
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ironrain  [Member]
10/18/2007 6:43:05 AM

Originally Posted By kcolg30:


OHHHH BTW.....why the FUK would you want a FULL AUTO gun. What happens if you are on FULL AUTO and you get a squib......YOUR FK'ed

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Very Good point, never thought about that.
easy610  [Team Member]
10/18/2007 7:05:50 AM
fizassist  [Member]
10/18/2007 7:50:18 AM
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CAR-AR-M16  [Team Member]
10/18/2007 7:56:18 AM
There is a whole section about DIAS's on ar15.com. Here is the link.

www.ar15.com/content/legal/dias.html
rcr29  [Team Member]
10/18/2007 7:57:00 AM
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MiamiARFan  [Team Member]
10/18/2007 10:27:36 AM
WOO HOO. Finally Got to Post in a Thread before it was locked. I'm feeling special this morning.

Forest  [Moderator]
10/18/2007 12:21:44 PM

Originally Posted By ironrain:

Originally Posted By kcolg30:


OHHHH BTW.....why the FUK would you want a FULL AUTO gun. What happens if you are on FULL AUTO and you get a squib......YOUR FK'ed

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Very Good point, never thought about that.


Not really.

If you get a squib on full-auto it's no different then getting a squib with a semi-auto, or a bolt action.

It's considered a failure to fire and you're going to have clear the weapon, get a cleaning rod, and tap the bullet out. Squibs will not cycle the rifle.

I also want to remind some of you that this is a tech forum - BS is not going to be tolorated. If you want to drink-n-post I'd suggest GD.
Bumblebee_Bob  [Team Member]
10/18/2007 1:06:19 PM
Here's the short and dirty answer you're looking for;

If the drop-in auto sear is one of the $100 - $200 units as found in the Shotgun News then it's not legal for you* to own and use. These are not registered with the BATFe.

If the drop-in auto sear is going to cost you ~$10,000 then you can buy it, use it and put it in any AR15 you want. That's because these ARE registered with the BATFe as machine guns themselves and not the gun they are installed in.

There are a few more particulars but this will get you the starting info you need.



* - these would be legal for people with a Special Occupation Tax (SOT) to use but they already know the answer to the question you asked. Therefore I can safely assume you aren't an SOT.
PromptCritical  [Team Member]
10/18/2007 2:08:18 PM

Originally Posted By Forest:

Originally Posted By ironrain:

Originally Posted By kcolg30:


OHHHH BTW.....why the FUK would you want a FULL AUTO gun. What happens if you are on FULL AUTO and you get a squib......YOUR FK'ed

...


Very Good point, never thought about that.


Not really.

If you get a squib on full-auto it's no different then getting a squib with a semi-auto, or a bolt action.

It's considered a failure to fire and you're going to have clear the weapon, get a cleaning rod, and tap the bullet out. Squibs will not cycle the rifle.

I also want to remind some of you that this is a tech forum - BS is not going to be tolorated. If you want to drink-n-post I'd suggest GD.


If you get a squib, the gun will not cycle to the next round since the bullet will not have passed the gas port. No gas to the port = no cycle = no kaboom.

If you aren't paying attention and clear the malfunction without checking, then you will get a kaboom. Video of such stupidity
PromptCritical  [Team Member]
10/18/2007 2:10:57 PM

Originally Posted By sniper7:

Originally Posted By PromptCritical:

Originally Posted By sniper7:
i need a link about drop in auto sears.
Can these still be had and can you still legally convert an AR into full auto and register it etc.?


www.quarterbore.com

Yes. No.


so basically you can buy the sear, but you can't legally have the machine gun. is that what you are saying?

Is there any way around it, or do you have to just buy the registered full auto M-16


Not exactly. You can legally buy a REGISTERED Drop in Auto Sear, which is legally a machinegun by itself. What you cannot do is convert your gun to a machinegun by modification or making a DIAS. The registry is closed. No getting around it.

That's why that little chunk of metal costs $12,000. Fixed supply.
sniper7  [Member]
10/18/2007 2:27:12 PM
Okay, sounds good. thanks for the info and links.
Stahlgewehr762  [Member]
10/19/2007 11:35:56 PM
If the drop-in auto sear is one of the $100 - $200 units as found in the Shotgun News then it's not legal for you* to own and use. These are not registered with the BATFe.

* - these would be legal for people with a Special Occupation Tax (SOT) to use but they already know the answer to the question you asked. Therefore I can safely assume you aren't an SOT.

Okay, got a question:
I know it is legal for a Licensed Manufacturer to make their own DIAS, but would it be legal for them to purchase one of those "Pre-'81" DIAS and then register it as a Post Sample? That seems a lot like acquiring a Post Sample without first getting the L.E. Demo Letter, which I know cannot be done.

Just a-wonderin'
Bumblebee_Bob  [Team Member]
10/20/2007 12:50:07 AM
That was me you quoted, so I'll answer you this;

Your question is beyond what I know about such things. Sorry. Maybe someone who does know will come along shortly.
sniper7  [Member]
10/20/2007 1:34:16 AM

Originally Posted By Stahlgewehr762:
If the drop-in auto sear is one of the $100 - $200 units as found in the Shotgun News then it's not legal for you* to own and use. These are not registered with the BATFe.

* - these would be legal for people with a Special Occupation Tax (SOT) to use but they already know the answer to the question you asked. Therefore I can safely assume you aren't an SOT.
Okay, got a question:
I know it is legal for a Licensed Manufacturer to make their own DIAS, but would it be legal for them to purchase one of those "Pre-'81" DIAS and then register it as a Post Sample? That seems a lot like acquiring a Post Sample without first getting the L.E. Demo Letter, which I know cannot be done.

Just a-wonderin'


as far as the SOT goes, how would you go about getting one of those?
TommyBrown  [Member]
10/20/2007 2:42:45 AM
To get the SOT you become a Law Enforcement dealer or manuf. in NFA weapons.
sniper7  [Member]
10/20/2007 4:25:07 AM
oh, i see.
tony_k  [Moderator]
10/20/2007 8:23:41 AM

Originally Posted By Stahlgewehr762:
I know it is legal for a Licensed Manufacturer to make their own DIAS, but would it be legal for them to purchase one of those "Pre-'81" DIAS and then register it as a Post Sample? That seems a lot like acquiring a Post Sample without first getting the L.E. Demo Letter, which I know cannot be done.]

No, it's not legal. An 07/02 can only register items which they manufacture, so they cannot buy an existing DIAS and register it.

The owner of a registered DIAS may replace the spring, trip and pin, but cannot legally replace the DIAS body. So there is absolutely no legal use for those Shotgun News unregistered DIAS's.
MrM4  [Member]
10/26/2007 12:44:17 AM
Same old stuff, differant post......