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 Would you pay $169 for a Tula 91/30?
Semper_Firearms  [Member]
10/12/2012 12:26:10 AM
A local sporting goods store has Tula marked 91/30 Mosin Nagant's in excellent condition for $169 + 7% sales tax I have never owned a Tula 91/30 but I have wanted one for some time now. Is this a reasonable price for a somewhat collectable mosin?
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whiskerz  [Team Member]
10/12/2012 1:43:37 AM
Why would it be special ? they are still around $100-130 locally
Semper_Firearms  [Member]
10/12/2012 2:10:03 AM
Originally Posted By whiskerz:
Why would it be special ? they are still around $100-130 locally


Its only "special" because it was manufactured in the Tula plant. They are harder to find. The more common Izhevsk produced 91/30's still go for $100-$130 here as well.
Brazos  [Member]
10/12/2012 2:12:53 AM
For that money it had better be a 1942 Tula, otherwise you can do much better.
PiGood  [Team Member]
10/12/2012 2:15:44 AM
Originally Posted By Semper_Firearms:
A local sporting goods store has Tula marked 91/30 Mosin Nagant's in excellent condition for $169 + 7% sales tax I have never owned a Tula 91/30 but I have wanted one for some time now. Is this a reasonable price for a somewhat collectable mosin?


Unless it is a PE marked, hex reciver in a Laminate stock then almost with out a dbout no.... There are exceptions for rare marking, but assuming it's a standard round receiver Tula those are common enough that you should only be looking at $10-20 over a standard mosin.
1srelluc  [Team Member]
10/12/2012 7:07:39 AM
It would have to be a 1936 SCW used Tula Hex before I'd pay that much for a 91/30 and those are pretty darn thin on the ground.



tep0583  [Team Member]
10/12/2012 8:28:44 AM
Originally Posted By 1srelluc:
It would have to be a 1936 SCW used Tula Hex before I'd pay that much for a 91/30 and those are pretty darn thin on the ground.

http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/download/file.php?id=51881&t=1

http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/download/file.php?id=51882&t=1


Agreed.

Refurb Tula 91/30s aren't THAT rare, outside of a few years or some unique history. Something like non-refurb, SCW, capture/recapture, MO, ect.

Honestly, I wouldn't even give that for a MO, unless it was a triple date and I'd still hesitate.

You can get far more rare and desirable 91/30s for that kind of cash.

JIP  [Team Member]
10/12/2012 10:17:52 AM
Standard everyday refurbs go on sale at Dunham's all the time here for $79 but that is here. The price depends on where you live really and you can find good ones cheap online but you still have to pay transfer and shipping so it's a wash. That price is not AWFUL and it is really up to you to decide if it is worth it to you can they be had cheaper?? yes of course but if you really want that one try and whittle them down a bit and bite the bullet and buy it.
SoftwareJanitor  [Member]
10/12/2012 11:35:46 AM
Get your C&R FFL03, order one direct from a wholesale dealer and save $$$ on both the rifle and the sales tax. You might come close to saving the $30 fee for the C&R on your first purchase... and then for the next three years you could save even more, including the discounts that some online places like Brownell's and MidwayUSA give for FFL holders.
Spaxspore  [Member]
10/12/2012 12:02:35 PM
Originally Posted By SoftwareJanitor:
Get your C&R FFL03, order one direct from a wholesale dealer and save $$$ on both the rifle and the sales tax. You might come close to saving the $30 fee for the C&R on your first purchase... and then for the next three years you could save even more, including the discounts that some online places like Brownell's and MidwayUSA give for FFL holders.


not to mention deals from forum users that come up once in a while.


Hell i got a ex-dargoon shipped on gunboards for less than they want for that Refurbed tula mentioned above.




PS
If you have a good eye, you would have caught that it does have a czar marked receiver with a soviet crest over stamp. Its built on a 1917 Izhevsk Receiver
Rugerlvr  [Team Member]
10/12/2012 12:17:52 PM
Originally Posted By 1srelluc:
It would have to be a 1936 SCW used Tula Hex before I'd pay that much for a 91/30 and those are pretty darn thin on the ground.

http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/download/file.php?id=51881&t=1

http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/download/file.php?id=51882&t=1


Hey, I have a '36 Tula Hex on a laminated stock that I bought from Big 5 a while back for $99. What is "SCW" and what's special about the '36 Tula?


AKJP  [Member]
10/12/2012 12:39:29 PM
It's sad to see places playing on the idea that Tulas are "rare". They're not rare, generally speaking. They're not even uncommon. There were just less made than Izhevsk. That's all. Unless it has some other distinguishing feature, as some of the others have mentioned, it's just not worth that much. I recently sold some very nice 1930's dated Tulas on the EE. Some had some unique features, all the accessories, matching numbers (even one or two with matching bayonets, IIRC) and the highest price was $150 shipped. In some circles, even that would be considered "high end" of their value. Unless they have something really special in that batch, I would look elsewhere. If you can't spot what the difference is between a $99 Tula one that's worth $169, or more, do some asking around/research on the differences, but don't let some vendor/shop tell you that they're high priced because "Tulas are rare".
Spaxspore  [Member]
10/12/2012 12:57:44 PM
Originally Posted By Rugerlvr:
Originally Posted By 1srelluc:
It would have to be a 1936 SCW used Tula Hex before I'd pay that much for a 91/30 and those are pretty darn thin on the ground.

http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/download/file.php?id=51881&t=1

http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/download/file.php?id=51882&t=1


Hey, I have a '36 Tula Hex on a laminated stock that I bought from Big 5 a while back for $99. What is "SCW" and what's special about the '36 Tula?

https://user.xmission.com/~jdjonsson/images/mn5.jpg
https://user.xmission.com/~jdjonsson/images/mn1.jpg


SCW= SPANISH CIVIL WAR

No refurbed imports from spain. Russias gift to spanish communists during spain's civil war Lots of history.
tep0583  [Team Member]
10/12/2012 1:04:20 PM
Originally Posted By Rugerlvr:
Originally Posted By 1srelluc:
It would have to be a 1936 SCW used Tula Hex before I'd pay that much for a 91/30 and those are pretty darn thin on the ground.

http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/download/file.php?id=51881&t=1

http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/download/file.php?id=51882&t=1


Hey, I have a '36 Tula Hex on a laminated stock that I bought from Big 5 a while back for $99. What is "SCW" and what's special about the '36 Tula?

https://user.xmission.com/~jdjonsson/images/mn5.jpg
https://user.xmission.com/~jdjonsson/images/mn1.jpg


Many new 91/30s in 1936 and 1937 were sent to Spain as aid, during the Spanish Civil War.

Certain '36/'37 (and earier) 91/30s that were not refurbished, particularly if the have a "Made in USSR" (or some variation of that) or a "MP8" flaming bomb stamped on them, are rifles that were sent to Spain.

The absence of the stamps doesn't necessarily mean that rifle did not come from Spain, if the rifle meets certain criteria, it is almost certainly a SCW.

http://scwmosin.weebly.com/index.html

They are fairly rare and collectible and usually good examples of fairly unmolested mid-30's 91/30s.

ConKeeper  [Member]
10/12/2012 1:18:02 PM
I picked up a 1939 Tula at a gun show for $120. It was higher than I wanted to pay but I didn't think it was outrageous.
Spaxspore  [Member]
10/12/2012 1:26:21 PM
Originally Posted By ConKeeper:
I picked up a 1939 Tula at a gun show for $120. It was higher than I wanted to pay but I didn't think it was outrageous.


120 is a fair price
1srelluc  [Team Member]
10/12/2012 3:28:03 PM
Originally Posted By Spaxspore:
Originally Posted By ConKeeper:
I picked up a 1939 Tula at a gun show for $120. It was higher than I wanted to pay but I didn't think it was outrageous.


120 is a fair price


Truth.....Folks forget it costs $$$ to ship a rifle. That cost is simply passed on to the buyer.

As far as refurbs go there are certian years that are sought after, 1919 in particular.

Both Tula And Izhevsk were going through severe political upheaval at the time and in the case of Izhevsk it was run for a few months by the "White Russians" and M91 rifles/dragoons were marked differently during that time. When the WRs left so did most of Izhevsk's workers.

A M91 converted to 91/30 of 1919 then refurbed is a find and some folks would pay more for those or at least more than for a MO..

1919 Izhevsk Dragoon (Finned) w/ White Russian Eagles. Note the two different types of eagle stamps with no crown.

LOL....It has about seven SA stamps on it too.



Tim2031  [Team Member]
10/12/2012 9:23:49 PM
Originally Posted By Spaxspore:
Originally Posted By SoftwareJanitor:
Get your C&R FFL03, order one direct from a wholesale dealer and save $$$ on both the rifle and the sales tax. You might come close to saving the $30 fee for the C&R on your first purchase... and then for the next three years you could save even more, including the discounts that some online places like Brownell's and MidwayUSA give for FFL holders.


not to mention deals from forum users that come up once in a while.


Hell i got a ex-dargoon shipped on gunboards for less than they want for that Refurbed tula mentioned above.

http://imageshack.us/a/img207/5546/1923markings.jpg


PS
If you have a good eye, you would have caught that it does have a czar marked receiver with a soviet crest over stamp. Its built on a 1917 Izhevsk Receiver


I got a nice ex-dragoon from AIM for $110 when they had the last batch of Hexes, not even a hand pick.
Spaxspore  [Member]
10/12/2012 9:52:34 PM
Originally Posted By Tim2031:
Originally Posted By Spaxspore:
Originally Posted By SoftwareJanitor:
Get your C&R FFL03, order one direct from a wholesale dealer and save $$$ on both the rifle and the sales tax. You might come close to saving the $30 fee for the C&R on your first purchase... and then for the next three years you could save even more, including the discounts that some online places like Brownell's and MidwayUSA give for FFL holders.


not to mention deals from forum users that come up once in a while.


Hell i got a ex-dargoon shipped on gunboards for less than they want for that Refurbed tula mentioned above.

http://imageshack.us/a/img207/5546/1923markings.jpg


PS
If you have a good eye, you would have caught that it does have a czar marked receiver with a soviet crest over stamp. Its built on a 1917 Izhevsk Receiver


I got a nice ex-dragoon from AIM for $110 when they had the last batch of Hexes, not even a hand pick.



Luck of the draw.

tangeant  [Member]
10/12/2012 9:53:18 PM
Originally Posted By Brazos:
For that money it had better be a 1942 1941 Tula, otherwise you can do much better.


$169 for a common year Tula 91/30 is too much.

Rarer Tula 91/30's .....1919 Big Hammer, 1941 Iztula , 1942 PU / X-PU, 1942-43-44 built on recycled Hex recvrs

mgwantob  [Member]
10/12/2012 10:37:16 PM
I just bought a Tula ex-PE sniper last weekend for $106 OTD. Better deals out there.



SrBenelli  [Team Member]
10/13/2012 9:00:53 AM
How about a 1933 Tula with all early 91/30 features, like the blade style front sight, brass end caps on the handguards and early barrel bands?






Edited..... wrong date She's a '33, not a '36
tangeant  [Member]
10/13/2012 4:33:26 PM
Originally Posted By SrBenelli:
How about a 1936 Tula with all early 91/30 features, like the blade style front sight, brass end caps on the handguards and early barrel bands? ]


Nice Finn capture, 1936-7 Tula-Izhevsk are some of the most common date Finn capture 91/30's, not uncommon to also find original guns among the Finns along with Finn reworked mix-masters with early 91/30 & Dragoon parts. Blade and early button bands are incorrect for 36 Tula.

Rifleman55  [Member]
10/13/2012 8:32:17 PM
I just bought one of those a few weeks ago for 89$ plus freight, they were regullary 99$ so you did well.
I have a C&R so no transfer fee, just the freight.
SrBenelli  [Team Member]
10/13/2012 10:53:47 PM
Originally Posted By tangeant:
Originally Posted By SrBenelli:
How about a 1936 Tula with all early 91/30 features, like the blade style front sight, brass end caps on the handguards and early barrel bands? ]


Blade and early button bands are incorrect for 36 Tula.



Where do you get that from? It has been my understanding that both blade front sights (and not Finn "stacked" blades), and button bands are correct at least thruogh '37.
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