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How are Chinese Mosins?
4/7/2012 5:44:53 PM
Hey guys, I found a chinese mosin carbine in pretty good shape for $165 and I am thinking about getting it. Are these any different than the Russian made mosins in terms or quality or function? What has been your experience with them?
4/7/2012 6:03:06 PM
I have no personal experience with them, but there is nothing wrong with them. The Chinese ones are the model T53, really the same as the Russian M44. $165 is a good price if the bore is good.
4/7/2012 6:13:35 PM
$165 seems fine assuming it's in decent shape. You can get them for a little less from SOG or AIM but you're buying sight unseen and you'll pay shipping.
They're made on the same machinery used to make the M44 and are functionally identical. They tend to be a bit rough around the edges and were used hard, but they're good rifles.
I really like mine.
They're made on the same machinery used to make the M44 and are functionally identical. They tend to be a bit rough around the edges and were used hard, but they're good rifles.
I really like mine.
4/7/2012 7:40:32 PM
Chu wood always looks chewed, but won't rot in the jungle.
4/7/2012 9:24:07 PM
Check it over thoroughly. I have seen some that were for sale at Omega Weapons Systems several years ago that looked like they were drug down the Ho Chi Minh Trail. The bores were rusty and some looked like a sewer pipe. They were cheap at $39.00, but I didn't buy any, they were too rough for me.
4/7/2012 9:45:32 PM
Originally Posted By KB7DX:
Check it over thoroughly. I have seen some that were for sale at Omega Weapons Systems several years ago that looked like they were drug down the Ho Chi Minh Trail. The bores were rusty and some looked like a sewer pipe. They were cheap at $39.00, but I didn't buy any, they were too rough for me.
Check it over thoroughly. I have seen some that were for sale at Omega Weapons Systems several years ago that looked like they were drug down the Ho Chi Minh Trail. The bores were rusty and some looked like a sewer pipe. They were cheap at $39.00, but I didn't buy any, they were too rough for me.
I bought two. One had a broken firing pin. Worth 39 though.
4/7/2012 9:48:46 PM
I got one from the recent import batch and the bore is like a mirror. Good deal if the bore is good I say go for it.
4/8/2012 8:19:10 AM
Just like any other Mosin, except you want to shoot it again about 30 minutes later...
4/8/2012 4:51:29 PM
They are pretty much identical to any post 1945 M44, with the exception of the stock it tends to be a much softer wood. In terms of production quality T53s tend to be on par with post 45 Russian m44s however T53s tend to show a lot more usage.
4/9/2012 8:19:27 PM
I picked up an AIM gun . I had a Vet bring back that was sewer bore and ugly and keyholed . I sold it I do not miss it.
4/10/2012 7:10:26 AM
Originally Posted By cjroman:
Just like any other Mosin, except you want to shoot it again about 30 minutes later...
Just like any other Mosin, except you want to shoot it again about 30 minutes later...
LOL, two days after I first read it and now I get the joke
4/10/2012 12:59:37 PM
I don't think these guns are well priced at all. The ones I've seen in person at the last several gunshows I've been to all looked like shit. Their price is typically $165 or so which I think is way too high. When the Soviet M44's and M38's came out, some looked really nice and cost about $89. I know all about inflation, and supply/demand, but these Chicom rifles just hit the market recently but they look like hell. For another $50 or so, you can get a nice Soviet M44 off a place like here. I just bought this M44 here recently for $165 and its a lot better than any chicom crap I've seen. Youre better off keeping your eyes open for a nice Soviet than one of these Chicoms
4/10/2012 6:18:44 PM
Originally Posted By kingfish:
I don't think these guns are well priced at all. The ones I've seen in person at the last several gunshows I've been to all looked like shit. Their price is typically $165 or so which I think is way too high. When the Soviet M44's and M38's came out, some looked really nice and cost about $89. I know all about inflation, and supply/demand, but these Chicom rifles just hit the market recently but they look like hell. For another $50 or so, you can get a nice Soviet M44 off a place like here. I just bought this M44 here recently for $165 and its a lot better than any chicom crap I've seen. Youre better off keeping your eyes open for a nice Soviet than one of these Chicoms
I don't think these guns are well priced at all. The ones I've seen in person at the last several gunshows I've been to all looked like shit. Their price is typically $165 or so which I think is way too high. When the Soviet M44's and M38's came out, some looked really nice and cost about $89. I know all about inflation, and supply/demand, but these Chicom rifles just hit the market recently but they look like hell. For another $50 or so, you can get a nice Soviet M44 off a place like here. I just bought this M44 here recently for $165 and its a lot better than any chicom crap I've seen. Youre better off keeping your eyes open for a nice Soviet than one of these Chicoms
They are priced fine.
1944s are most done importation wise, thus the sub $100 price of 1944s needs to be seen as a temporary abberation, just as $90 SKS's were.
Chinese mosins (as of now) are an uncommon variety and one that was actually used in combat against the US, IMO, they will go up in value once the imports are over and be more in demand than the various Eastern European ones.
If we get a million imported from China later, that could change. But I don't see that happening.
4/10/2012 11:22:49 PM
Just ordered one from AIM, mainly because I was too lazy to fax my C&R to Classic Arms. I can give a half-assed report when it arrives, assuming my beautiful wife doesn't kill me.
4/11/2012 12:11:50 AM
Originally Posted By sherrick13:
They are priced fine.
They are priced fine.
Actually they are priced better then fine currently. Before this latest batch showed up T53s were on par with Romanian M44s in terms of rarity and going for nearly $200 on gun broker.
4/11/2012 11:49:18 PM
Originally Posted By sherrick13:
I bought two. One had a broken firing pin. Worth 39 though.
Originally Posted By KB7DX:
Check it over thoroughly. I have seen some that were for sale at Omega Weapons Systems several years ago that looked like they were drug down the Ho Chi Minh Trail. The bores were rusty and some looked like a sewer pipe. They were cheap at $39.00, but I didn't buy any, they were too rough for me.
Check it over thoroughly. I have seen some that were for sale at Omega Weapons Systems several years ago that looked like they were drug down the Ho Chi Minh Trail. The bores were rusty and some looked like a sewer pipe. They were cheap at $39.00, but I didn't buy any, they were too rough for me.
I bought two. One had a broken firing pin. Worth 39 though.
I bought four. While not pristine, they are all functional and in good shape. Worst part of them was the stocks.
4/12/2012 8:50:18 AM
The Korean war ended in 1953 if I remember correctly. I think most of these are dated after that.
Originally Posted By sherrick13:
They are priced fine.
1944s are most done importation wise, thus the sub $100 price of 1944s needs to be seen as a temporary abberation, just as $90 SKS's were.
Chinese mosins (as of now) are an uncommon variety and one that was actually used in combat against the US, IMO, they will go up in value once the imports are over and be more in demand than the various Eastern European ones.
If we get a million imported from China later, that could change. But I don't see that happening.
Originally Posted By kingfish:
I don't think these guns are well priced at all. The ones I've seen in person at the last several gunshows I've been to all looked like shit. Their price is typically $165 or so which I think is way too high. When the Soviet M44's and M38's came out, some looked really nice and cost about $89. I know all about inflation, and supply/demand, but these Chicom rifles just hit the market recently but they look like hell. For another $50 or so, you can get a nice Soviet M44 off a place like here. I just bought this M44 here recently for $165 and its a lot better than any chicom crap I've seen. Youre better off keeping your eyes open for a nice Soviet than one of these Chicoms
I don't think these guns are well priced at all. The ones I've seen in person at the last several gunshows I've been to all looked like shit. Their price is typically $165 or so which I think is way too high. When the Soviet M44's and M38's came out, some looked really nice and cost about $89. I know all about inflation, and supply/demand, but these Chicom rifles just hit the market recently but they look like hell. For another $50 or so, you can get a nice Soviet M44 off a place like here. I just bought this M44 here recently for $165 and its a lot better than any chicom crap I've seen. Youre better off keeping your eyes open for a nice Soviet than one of these Chicoms
They are priced fine.
1944s are most done importation wise, thus the sub $100 price of 1944s needs to be seen as a temporary abberation, just as $90 SKS's were.
Chinese mosins (as of now) are an uncommon variety and one that was actually used in combat against the US, IMO, they will go up in value once the imports are over and be more in demand than the various Eastern European ones.
If we get a million imported from China later, that could change. But I don't see that happening.
4/12/2012 9:02:18 AM
Originally Posted By kingfish:
The Korean war ended in 1953 if I remember correctly. I think most of these are dated after that.
The Korean war ended in 1953 if I remember correctly. I think most of these are dated after that.
Originally Posted By sherrick13:
They are priced fine.
1944s are most done importation wise, thus the sub $100 price of 1944s needs to be seen as a temporary abberation, just as $90 SKS's were.
Chinese mosins (as of now) are an uncommon variety and one that was actually used in combat against the US, IMO, they will go up in value once the imports are over and be more in demand than the various Eastern European ones.
If we get a million imported from China later, that could change. But I don't see that happening.
Originally Posted By kingfish:
I don't think these guns are well priced at all. The ones I've seen in person at the last several gunshows I've been to all looked like shit. Their price is typically $165 or so which I think is way too high. When the Soviet M44's and M38's came out, some looked really nice and cost about $89. I know all about inflation, and supply/demand, but these Chicom rifles just hit the market recently but they look like hell. For another $50 or so, you can get a nice Soviet M44 off a place like here. I just bought this M44 here recently for $165 and its a lot better than any chicom crap I've seen. Youre better off keeping your eyes open for a nice Soviet than one of these Chicoms
I don't think these guns are well priced at all. The ones I've seen in person at the last several gunshows I've been to all looked like shit. Their price is typically $165 or so which I think is way too high. When the Soviet M44's and M38's came out, some looked really nice and cost about $89. I know all about inflation, and supply/demand, but these Chicom rifles just hit the market recently but they look like hell. For another $50 or so, you can get a nice Soviet M44 off a place like here. I just bought this M44 here recently for $165 and its a lot better than any chicom crap I've seen. Youre better off keeping your eyes open for a nice Soviet than one of these Chicoms
They are priced fine.
1944s are most done importation wise, thus the sub $100 price of 1944s needs to be seen as a temporary abberation, just as $90 SKS's were.
Chinese mosins (as of now) are an uncommon variety and one that was actually used in combat against the US, IMO, they will go up in value once the imports are over and be more in demand than the various Eastern European ones.
If we get a million imported from China later, that could change. But I don't see that happening.
Mine is dated 1955, but I think he's referring to Viet Nam.
Many T53s found their way into the hands of NVA troops.
4/12/2012 10:17:09 AM
Originally Posted By tep0583:
Mine is dated 1955, but I think he's referring to Viet Nam.
Many T53s found their way into the hands of NVA troops.
Originally Posted By kingfish:
The Korean war ended in 1953 if I remember correctly. I think most of these are dated after that.
The Korean war ended in 1953 if I remember correctly. I think most of these are dated after that.
Originally Posted By sherrick13:
They are priced fine.
1944s are most done importation wise, thus the sub $100 price of 1944s needs to be seen as a temporary abberation, just as $90 SKS's were.
Chinese mosins (as of now) are an uncommon variety and one that was actually used in combat against the US, IMO, they will go up in value once the imports are over and be more in demand than the various Eastern European ones.
If we get a million imported from China later, that could change. But I don't see that happening.
Originally Posted By kingfish:
I don't think these guns are well priced at all. The ones I've seen in person at the last several gunshows I've been to all looked like shit. Their price is typically $165 or so which I think is way too high. When the Soviet M44's and M38's came out, some looked really nice and cost about $89. I know all about inflation, and supply/demand, but these Chicom rifles just hit the market recently but they look like hell. For another $50 or so, you can get a nice Soviet M44 off a place like here. I just bought this M44 here recently for $165 and its a lot better than any chicom crap I've seen. Youre better off keeping your eyes open for a nice Soviet than one of these Chicoms
I don't think these guns are well priced at all. The ones I've seen in person at the last several gunshows I've been to all looked like shit. Their price is typically $165 or so which I think is way too high. When the Soviet M44's and M38's came out, some looked really nice and cost about $89. I know all about inflation, and supply/demand, but these Chicom rifles just hit the market recently but they look like hell. For another $50 or so, you can get a nice Soviet M44 off a place like here. I just bought this M44 here recently for $165 and its a lot better than any chicom crap I've seen. Youre better off keeping your eyes open for a nice Soviet than one of these Chicoms
They are priced fine.
1944s are most done importation wise, thus the sub $100 price of 1944s needs to be seen as a temporary abberation, just as $90 SKS's were.
Chinese mosins (as of now) are an uncommon variety and one that was actually used in combat against the US, IMO, they will go up in value once the imports are over and be more in demand than the various Eastern European ones.
If we get a million imported from China later, that could change. But I don't see that happening.
Mine is dated 1955, but I think he's referring to Viet Nam.
Many T53s found their way into the hands of NVA troops.
Yep. I believe I recall reading that the Type 53 was the most common VN bringback weapon.
4/12/2012 10:58:53 AM
Originally Posted By kingfish:
The Korean war ended in 1953 if I remember correctly. I think most of these are dated after that.
The Korean war ended in 1953 if I remember correctly. I think most of these are dated after that.
Originally Posted By sherrick13:
They are priced fine.
1944s are most done importation wise, thus the sub $100 price of 1944s needs to be seen as a temporary abberation, just as $90 SKS's were.
Chinese mosins (as of now) are an uncommon variety and one that was actually used in combat against the US, IMO, they will go up in value once the imports are over and be more in demand than the various Eastern European ones.
If we get a million imported from China later, that could change. But I don't see that happening.
Originally Posted By kingfish:
I don't think these guns are well priced at all. The ones I've seen in person at the last several gunshows I've been to all looked like shit. Their price is typically $165 or so which I think is way too high. When the Soviet M44's and M38's came out, some looked really nice and cost about $89. I know all about inflation, and supply/demand, but these Chicom rifles just hit the market recently but they look like hell. For another $50 or so, you can get a nice Soviet M44 off a place like here. I just bought this M44 here recently for $165 and its a lot better than any chicom crap I've seen. Youre better off keeping your eyes open for a nice Soviet than one of these Chicoms
I don't think these guns are well priced at all. The ones I've seen in person at the last several gunshows I've been to all looked like shit. Their price is typically $165 or so which I think is way too high. When the Soviet M44's and M38's came out, some looked really nice and cost about $89. I know all about inflation, and supply/demand, but these Chicom rifles just hit the market recently but they look like hell. For another $50 or so, you can get a nice Soviet M44 off a place like here. I just bought this M44 here recently for $165 and its a lot better than any chicom crap I've seen. Youre better off keeping your eyes open for a nice Soviet than one of these Chicoms
They are priced fine.
1944s are most done importation wise, thus the sub $100 price of 1944s needs to be seen as a temporary abberation, just as $90 SKS's were.
Chinese mosins (as of now) are an uncommon variety and one that was actually used in combat against the US, IMO, they will go up in value once the imports are over and be more in demand than the various Eastern European ones.
If we get a million imported from China later, that could change. But I don't see that happening.
Vietnam war.
4/12/2012 10:59:24 AM
Originally Posted By MVolkJ:
Yep. I believe I recall reading that the Type 53 was the most common VN bringback weapon.
Originally Posted By tep0583:
Mine is dated 1955, but I think he's referring to Viet Nam.
Many T53s found their way into the hands of NVA troops.
Originally Posted By kingfish:
The Korean war ended in 1953 if I remember correctly. I think most of these are dated after that.
The Korean war ended in 1953 if I remember correctly. I think most of these are dated after that.
Originally Posted By sherrick13:
They are priced fine.
1944s are most done importation wise, thus the sub $100 price of 1944s needs to be seen as a temporary abberation, just as $90 SKS's were.
Chinese mosins (as of now) are an uncommon variety and one that was actually used in combat against the US, IMO, they will go up in value once the imports are over and be more in demand than the various Eastern European ones.
If we get a million imported from China later, that could change. But I don't see that happening.
Originally Posted By kingfish:
I don't think these guns are well priced at all. The ones I've seen in person at the last several gunshows I've been to all looked like shit. Their price is typically $165 or so which I think is way too high. When the Soviet M44's and M38's came out, some looked really nice and cost about $89. I know all about inflation, and supply/demand, but these Chicom rifles just hit the market recently but they look like hell. For another $50 or so, you can get a nice Soviet M44 off a place like here. I just bought this M44 here recently for $165 and its a lot better than any chicom crap I've seen. Youre better off keeping your eyes open for a nice Soviet than one of these Chicoms
I don't think these guns are well priced at all. The ones I've seen in person at the last several gunshows I've been to all looked like shit. Their price is typically $165 or so which I think is way too high. When the Soviet M44's and M38's came out, some looked really nice and cost about $89. I know all about inflation, and supply/demand, but these Chicom rifles just hit the market recently but they look like hell. For another $50 or so, you can get a nice Soviet M44 off a place like here. I just bought this M44 here recently for $165 and its a lot better than any chicom crap I've seen. Youre better off keeping your eyes open for a nice Soviet than one of these Chicoms
They are priced fine.
1944s are most done importation wise, thus the sub $100 price of 1944s needs to be seen as a temporary abberation, just as $90 SKS's were.
Chinese mosins (as of now) are an uncommon variety and one that was actually used in combat against the US, IMO, they will go up in value once the imports are over and be more in demand than the various Eastern European ones.
If we get a million imported from China later, that could change. But I don't see that happening.
Mine is dated 1955, but I think he's referring to Viet Nam.
Many T53s found their way into the hands of NVA troops.
Yep. I believe I recall reading that the Type 53 was the most common VN bringback weapon.
Yes, it was.
4/12/2012 1:23:44 PM
Originally Posted By MVolkJ:
Yep. I believe I recall reading that the Type 53 was the most common VN bringback weapon.
Originally Posted By tep0583:
Mine is dated 1955, but I think he's referring to Viet Nam.
Many T53s found their way into the hands of NVA troops.
Originally Posted By kingfish:
The Korean war ended in 1953 if I remember correctly. I think most of these are dated after that.
The Korean war ended in 1953 if I remember correctly. I think most of these are dated after that.
Originally Posted By sherrick13:
They are priced fine.
1944s are most done importation wise, thus the sub $100 price of 1944s needs to be seen as a temporary abberation, just as $90 SKS's were.
Chinese mosins (as of now) are an uncommon variety and one that was actually used in combat against the US, IMO, they will go up in value once the imports are over and be more in demand than the various Eastern European ones.
If we get a million imported from China later, that could change. But I don't see that happening.
Originally Posted By kingfish:
I don't think these guns are well priced at all. The ones I've seen in person at the last several gunshows I've been to all looked like shit. Their price is typically $165 or so which I think is way too high. When the Soviet M44's and M38's came out, some looked really nice and cost about $89. I know all about inflation, and supply/demand, but these Chicom rifles just hit the market recently but they look like hell. For another $50 or so, you can get a nice Soviet M44 off a place like here. I just bought this M44 here recently for $165 and its a lot better than any chicom crap I've seen. Youre better off keeping your eyes open for a nice Soviet than one of these Chicoms
I don't think these guns are well priced at all. The ones I've seen in person at the last several gunshows I've been to all looked like shit. Their price is typically $165 or so which I think is way too high. When the Soviet M44's and M38's came out, some looked really nice and cost about $89. I know all about inflation, and supply/demand, but these Chicom rifles just hit the market recently but they look like hell. For another $50 or so, you can get a nice Soviet M44 off a place like here. I just bought this M44 here recently for $165 and its a lot better than any chicom crap I've seen. Youre better off keeping your eyes open for a nice Soviet than one of these Chicoms
They are priced fine.
1944s are most done importation wise, thus the sub $100 price of 1944s needs to be seen as a temporary abberation, just as $90 SKS's were.
Chinese mosins (as of now) are an uncommon variety and one that was actually used in combat against the US, IMO, they will go up in value once the imports are over and be more in demand than the various Eastern European ones.
If we get a million imported from China later, that could change. But I don't see that happening.
Mine is dated 1955, but I think he's referring to Viet Nam.
Many T53s found their way into the hands of NVA troops.
Yep. I believe I recall reading that the Type 53 was the most common VN bringback weapon.
Wouldn't surprise me in the least.
4/12/2012 6:08:42 PM
Originally Posted By cjroman:
Just like any other Mosin, except you want to shoot it again about 30 minutes later...
Just like any other Mosin, except you want to shoot it again about 30 minutes later...
That's funny, I don't care who you are.........
4/13/2012 8:31:22 PM
Originally Posted By KB7DX:
Check it over thoroughly. I have seen some that were for sale at Omega Weapons Systems several years ago that looked like they were drug down the Ho Chi Minh Trail. The bores were rusty and some looked like a sewer pipe. They were cheap at $39.00, but I didn't buy any, they were too rough for me.
Check it over thoroughly. I have seen some that were for sale at Omega Weapons Systems several years ago that looked like they were drug down the Ho Chi Minh Trail. The bores were rusty and some looked like a sewer pipe. They were cheap at $39.00, but I didn't buy any, they were too rough for me.
You mean like this?
This is one of the $39 Omega rifles. It did have a very rusty bore and was a POS when it arrived. After a few hours work it still looks a bit rough but shoots accurately and has a very nice trigger. One of my favorite guns to take camping since a ding or two won't be noticed.
