Washington has agreed to allow the importation of M1 Garand

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I will be willing to bet they don't sell for that today.

so they going to the CMP?

How fucking magnanimous of them to allow something that rightfully belongs to the American people to come back.


And THIS



What complete idiots.

So lets see if I have this correct..... We loan them U.S. weapons to protect their country and now they are able to "sell" them back to us?

We should demand them back with interest due.

#1 - How do you know we didnt sell them the rifles?
#2 - They will not go through CMP
#3- I'm calling BS on the article from Korean Times, to much bad info in it
#4- Beat to death subject, this is nothing new. It has been going on for 10 years and we still havent seen these rifles

These were not lend lease like with Iran and Greece. We sold them these rifles. They are not US property.

Bingo.

They have been dicking around about these for the past 5 yrs. and have went nowhere. Expect it to go another 5 if you even see them at all.

Opps, my bad. I was thinking of all the money we give them in foreign aid to help keep the North on their side of the parallel.

They COULD send the Carbines back WITHOUT magazines.
They COULD install five shot magazines in the rifles HERE or sell them WITHOUT magazines.

I COULD alter an M1 Garand to accept a 20 shot detachable box magazine.

My guess is that MANUFACTURERS that are cranking out all those must have wanna be .22 rimfire assault rifle copies don't want those carbines cutting into their sales are are probably the ones advocating against the import.

On a side note, the Koreans also have several thousands of 1911A1 pistols that won't be imported either.
I guess an outdated 8 shot .45 single stack .45 is now considered a dangerous weapon,,,

Fuck

Everytime I hear about some stash of cool old weapons in some other country that can't be imported due to bullshit laws I die a little on the inside

The Garands are coming back in. I've seen the paperwork. Just depends on who wins the bid. After the selection is made and ATF signs the importation paperwork,, the guns could be on the water in containers in a month or two. Granted they are in sealed drums, ten rifles to a drum and there are close to 86,000 of them.

Have you actually PRICED .30 Carbine lately? Even steel cased Russian is over $.25 a round.

It really is the anti gun Lefties who are career fed.gov types who are all in a bind that protruding detachable box magazines are evil incarnate, and are the key feature to being able to successfully mow down a school's worth a kids in one go. It matters nothing to them that you could bag just as many with 8 shots of .FMJ 30-06... well, if those school kids all lined up real tightly and neatly.

Glad you have your hopes up.

Shit, the boat will probably sink half way

If they are drum guns, that means they were rearsenalled at Springfield Armory and placed in long term storage containers in the 1950s.

Provided the drums have not rusted open exposing the weapons to outside elements, those rifles should be in very good condition.

Or the South Koreans could have thrown them in drums and put a lid on them 50yrs ago

How can I get one? It said they were going to Korean war veterans?

I'd like to see just how they plan to market them to the vets

You mean like the HUGE supplies of Russian SVT-40 and SKS rifles that can't be imported?

How about the picture of all the Soviet TT-33s that were being run over by a tank in one of the Baltic countries (Latvia??) b/c of "new UN" regulations that they signed not to export small arms.

The rifles are going to an importer to be import marked then sold. Same as any import surplus.

Here is how the rifles were packed for storage.




They packed M1 Carbines, 1911s, M3 Grease Guns, BARs, and Garands in these storage drums. Kind of makes your mouth water doesn't it?

If we are talking about who wants to keep these from coming in, I'd say the collectors who have big money invested in the units in the US may have some concerns about higher quality rifles coming back in the US and diluting values.

Same can be said for a lot of class III owners.

Wes

Ya Right, no Import Marked rifle is going to lower the value of a non import marked collector or non collector rifle

do you think those containers will be available for purchase?

So since I was stationed in Korea in 92; does that make me a Korea vet? Or do you have to have served in the war?

The pics are of Springfield Armory putting rifles into long term storage
Has nothing to do with Korean Garands and saying anything different is just specualtion

i just got a hard-on that's beautiful!

That's strange, I got an e-mail alert from Senator Rand Paul on 1/9 stating that Obama stopped the re-patriating of the M1's. Confirming what the NRA has been saying for a while, that Her Thighness, Hillary Clinton wouldn't allow it.

Also from Rand Paul, and this is old news, Hillary told the UN that the Obama administration is all for the ATT that will undermine our 2nd ammendment.

You sure seem to be bitter about something. These pictures were displayed so the fellows could see what was meant by "canned" rifles stored in drums, they were not meant to imply these are the rifles in Korea or in question.

No I'm not bitter,I was just posting facts. Your pics already has one guy thinking thats what to expect, already enough rumors going around about these Korean Garands

Exactly, I think all he is trying to say is just because they may be in cans, they may not be the ones SA did years ago. For all we know the Koreans could have sealed them up in old oil drums......

Don't get your hopes up before you see them.

They still have to be sold, and the import papers signed, we know how the gov works, just because they were approved, don't mean the ATF has to allow them to be imported in a hurry......

Introducing 89,000 rifles into the US market will have an impact on the price of M1's in general. It may not be able to hurt the market on WWII M1's that have documented history that ties them to specific key battles in the hands of major players in the battle, but just about any other M1 Garand will see some impact from these being introduced to US consumers. It's simply the rule of supply and demand.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think we will suddenly see the price on nice M1's drop to $200, but when "decent" examples are currently selling for nearly $900 at the gun shows today and suddenly 89,000 rifles hit the market, that gun show rifle will be worth less than it was before the 89,000 hit the market. Especially so if these are of equal or better condition than the gun show example.

The collectors I am refering to are the folks who have been buying a new rifle from CMP in some shape or form for the last 20-30 years and have been having their family members purchase them as well. I know of one guy in my area sitting on stacks of these with more on the way. He trickles them out onto the market and can more than double his money each time. He's been crying about the Korean guns needing to stay over seas for the last 5+ years that these have been in the news because he knows it will hurt his collection's value.

Wes

So, he resells CMP rifles for a profit? I hope he gets burned, badly. The CMP is supposed to be for the enjoyment of the rifles, not for speculators to make money. Your acquantence is the type of person that gives CMP collectors a bad name.

Last time I was up at the North Store there were guys coming in an buying them and ammo and going straight over to the gun show and selling their stuff. It's bullshit if you ask me and should not be allowed.

I laughed when I saw that post too. If these M1s ever do come over from Korea, they are going to be trash.

The CMP is a business, all they care about is selling their goods. They dont care what you do with the stuff after they have your money. Attend a gunshow within 50 miles of the North store, there will be tables full of CMP guns and ammo, and the sellers will be on a first name basis with the CMP employees.

I agree it sucks, but it also sucks that they(table holders) are illegally selling firearms without a license. If the ATF isn't going to enforce the law, the CMP isn't going to do anything about their policy..

There are a number of people who do this... including one ARFCOMer in lower Alabama who bought a trailer load of AP for resale.

I've been following this subject for quite a few months and have really got a lot of enjoyment out of it. Overall, I'm a "believe it when I see it" type, so that's really the bottom line. However, I find it very humorous that a lot of the CMP Cult are so quick to blurt out that these are all "trash". Until they've inspected every last one of them in person, I don't know how they feel qualified to make such a statement. Funnier yet, is the idea that the law of supply and demand will magically disappear if these come into the country. Wake up, people. Don't get me wrong, I support the CMP and I think it's a great program. But, I'm a firm believer that, if they started selling toilet paper, but suddenly ran out, there is a large group of people who would never wipe themselves again.

It would be very cool to buy a barrel of Garands. Would I unseal it or save it for future generations?

I don't know anything about what the condition of the Korean Garands is, but I can guarantee you 100% that nobody will be getting a can of Garands. At the very least the can would have to be opened to import mark the rifles, and take down the serial numbers. Even if magically there was no import marking law, the can would have to be opened to make sure it contains Garands and not 1919s or something else, and to check serial numbers.

I know, but I can dream. Maybe some guy has a can of Springfield Armory packed Garands he got back before GCA. I wonder how much would be bid if it went up for auction, a pig n a poke.

This thread is from when we discussed it over here last summer. The crux of the biscut is that the Garands in question appear to be some if not all of the "canned" Garands, but as this thread discusses, the condition may be lacking. If you happen to be a member here take a look, I don't think you can view it otherwise. It pretty much desribes the rifles in question and their condition. It says the rifles are actually the ones stored in drums. I remember seeing a photo or two of the insides of a couple of the drums and they were quite rusty. I will search for said photos. But popular belief is that a lot of the drums will still be sealed and the contents quite good.
http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=23665

That is correct Sir.

Yet another reason we need to remove this a-hole out of office.

As a 21 year old, I missed the vast majority of the surplus rifle glory days and I cannot describe to you how much I want a reasonably priced M1 Garand.

But even if BHO had a change of heart, and Clinton/Brady dissapear (I can dream, right?), I have a feeling that the importers are going to have these at $800 + before the smaller companies get ahold of them and jack them up to “Korean war bringbacks” worth over $1000.


I just don’t understand why there is so much resistance to importing outdated firearms. But then again, I've never understood why people would “sporterize” a surplus rilfe, I guess the world is full of mysteries.

The rifles are indeed in the original drum with a lead seal on top. There are also spare parts in the original USGI packaging. A lot of parts!!

The rifles are in pretty good condition also.

The United States government fears all semiautomatic weapons (in the hands of the citizens/subjects). I hope it comes through, but I would not hold my breath.

my guess is the first kenyan is prepping for 2012

reversal

I would welcome new less expensive Garands.

I believe these will be pretty nice rifles. The guys calling them trash, are basing that on some of the 1990's vintage Korean imports that were well worn. However, like any rational military, Korea sold off the worst of their rifles first. There is a very good chance these canned rifles sat in Koreas war reserve stockpile for the past 50 years without being issued. They represent the best of the best that Korea had on hand. I look forward to seeing how they turn out. Now we need to get the carbines released.

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