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Cheesebeast  [Team Member]
11/16/2012 11:14:35 AM
Greetings,

I watched this sneak peek video that has an interesting survival rifle in it.

It is here:
http://www.gunblast.com/NASGW2012.htm

Go to the third part and the relevant section starts at 3:30.

I don't have sound at work. Does anyone know the name of this new rifle?

It is a single shot .22lr rifle with what looks like a phosphated finish. It breaks down easily. It has an external hammer and a wire frame stock. The muzzle is threaded.

It has rails on it for a scope.

I went to the Chiappa website but I could not find any details on it (specs, name, MSRP, etc.). The website is www.chiappafirearms.com

Thanks,
Cheese
BrowardMason  [Team Member]
11/16/2012 11:19:56 AM


Meh. Not a very well thought out design. Trigger guard keeps it from folding completely. Should have made it a top-fold lid a sub 2k and mag fed. I prefer my Henry AR7.
HardShell  [Life Member]
11/16/2012 11:25:12 AM
This popped up the other day in a discussion of survival/SHTF .22 rifles on another forum a week or so ago and it was the first I had ever heard of it.

If it comes out cheap enough, I might have to have one just for the oddity of it.

Bandit117  [Member]
11/16/2012 11:28:18 AM
I like the looks of it, 3 lb weight is hard to beat, especially in a 22 magnum or a 17 hmr.


http://www.chiappafirearms.com/product/2459

they also make a 22lr m1 carbine!
Cheesebeast  [Team Member]
11/16/2012 11:46:20 AM
Originally Posted By HardShell:
This popped up the other day in a discussion of survival/SHTF .22 rifles on another forum a week or so ago and it was the first I had ever heard of it.

If it comes out cheap enough, I might have to have one just for the oddity of it.



LOL.

I was thinking of you a few days ago. I got a trigger job done on my Marlin Camp Carbine in 9mm. I recall you liked that carbine.

The difference in pull weight is significant and I suspect the removal of the magazine disconnect safety was a big part of the equation. It is still pretty crunchy, but now at least I can more easily wring the accuracy out of the carbine. I wish my Colt 6450 shot as well accuracy wise as my Camp Carbine.

Anyway, I like single shot .22lr rifles. I hope it has a corrosion resistant finish due to the fact I would probably leave the wee rifle in a case in a vehicle for opportunities. Imagine the horror of finding yourself in the middle of nowhere and surrounded by empty tin cans?

The Marlin Papoose would do nicely as well but I haven't found a stainless steel one yet.

I tried an AR-7 decades ago. The sample I shot wasn't reliable and I don't recall liking the sights very much. Is the Henry made version better quality?
Bandit117  [Member]
11/16/2012 11:57:14 AM
Originally Posted By Cheesebeast:
Originally Posted By HardShell:
This popped up the other day in a discussion of survival/SHTF .22 rifles on another forum a week or so ago and it was the first I had ever heard of it.

If it comes out cheap enough, I might have to have one just for the oddity of it.



LOL.

I was thinking of you a few days ago. I got a trigger job done on my Marlin Camp Carbine in 9mm. I recall you liked that carbine.

The difference in pull weight is significant and I suspect the removal of the magazine disconnect safety was a big part of the equation. It is still pretty crunchy, but now at least I can more easily wring the accuracy out of the carbine. I wish my Colt 6450 shot as well accuracy wise as my Camp Carbine.

Anyway, I like single shot .22lr rifles. I hope it has a corrosion resistant finish due to the fact I would probably leave the wee rifle in a case in a vehicle for opportunities. Imagine the horror of finding yourself in the middle of nowhere and surrounded by empty tin cans?

The Marlin Papoose would do nicely as well but I haven't found a stainless steel one yet.

I tried an AR-7 decades ago. The sample I shot wasn't reliable and I don't recall liking the sights very much. Is the Henry made version better quality?


I havent handled it, but it looks like it has ar style adjustable sights in the video
HardShell  [Life Member]
11/16/2012 12:08:26 PM

Originally Posted By Cheesebeast:

... I tried an AR-7 decades ago. The sample I shot wasn't reliable and I don't recall liking the sights very much. Is the Henry made version better quality?

I've had the same experience with multiple AR-7 versions over the years, including a very early Henry model (the only Henry product I've ever had issue with, FTR).

My understanding is the current Henry AR-7s are much improved and work well, but I haven't the newer ones.



Cheesebeast  [Team Member]
11/16/2012 12:10:36 PM
Originally Posted By Bandit117:


I havent handled it, but it looks like it has ar style adjustable sights in the video


That would be a bonus. Close isn't good enough when you are working with such a small bullet (.22lr). I am particular about sighting in my rimfires to exact point of impact with a specific load. I don't think you could get too precise when a grouse is staring at you and your belly is rumbling.

The .22 Magnum chambering would make this a more "serious" rifle. I only recently got my first .22 Magnum and so far I have been very impressed with its abilities.

The .22 Magnum is a mean little cartridge!
xylo  [Team Member]
11/16/2012 6:27:10 PM
I like it but it is odd that it doesn't fold all the way. I wonder if the bottom rail is removable so it would fold completely?
BrowardMason  [Team Member]
11/16/2012 8:07:19 PM
Originally Posted By HardShell:

Originally Posted By Cheesebeast:

... I tried an AR-7 decades ago. The sample I shot wasn't reliable and I don't recall liking the sights very much. Is the Henry made version better quality?

I've had the same experience with multiple AR-7 versions over the years, including a very early Henry model (the only Henry product I've ever had issue with, FTR).

My understanding is the current Henry AR-7s are much improved and work well, but I haven't the newer ones.





I have tge newest model Henry and am extremely pleased with it. It's not a 10/22 but it is great for what it is. The only other survival rifle that I would take over it would be the takedown 10/22.
LonghunterCO  [Team Member]
11/16/2012 8:20:38 PM
Depending on cost, I will be picking up one. Thanks for the post.
Knife_Sniper  [Member]
11/17/2012 9:52:57 AM
looks like an excellent trunk gun.
LonghunterCO  [Team Member]
11/17/2012 11:03:02 AM
Originally Posted By Knife_Sniper:
looks like an excellent trunk gun.


The fact that it does not fold completly down makes it less than it could be. I wonder it there might be a way to replace the hing pin with a removable pin?
shack357  [Team Member]
11/17/2012 12:34:28 PM
Originally Posted By Bandit117:
I like the looks of it, 3 lb weight is hard to beat, especially in a 22 magnum or a 17 hmr.


http://www.chiappafirearms.com/product/2459

they also make a 22lr m1 carbine!


I saw one of the .22 M1 carbines recently. Left me unimpressed. Looked like a lot of parts would break easily and be next to impossible to replace. As for the one in the OP I haven't heard of it, but I like the idea.

ETA-just watched the video. Some type or removable or folding triggerguard and folding action release would go a long way toward making it fold all the way. Maybe removable guard and folding trigger? Tha way if it's shoot it now or don't eat you can just unfold and shoot, but if it's a range day with the kids the guard can be put on for a little bit of added safety if desired.
WarWeapon762  [Member]
11/17/2012 4:04:29 PM
I believe they also had a recall on their M1 carbines in .22lr too. I saw a notice for a safety recall posted at Big 5 the other day.

Knife_Sniper  [Member]
11/17/2012 7:24:42 PM
Originally Posted By LonghunterCO:
Originally Posted By Knife_Sniper:
looks like an excellent trunk gun.


The fact that it does not fold completly down makes it less than it could be. I wonder it there might be a way to replace the hing pin with a removable pin?


How small is your trunk?
shack357  [Team Member]
11/17/2012 9:04:11 PM
Originally Posted By Knife_Sniper:
Originally Posted By LonghunterCO:
Originally Posted By Knife_Sniper:
looks like an excellent trunk gun.


The fact that it does not fold completly down makes it less than it could be. I wonder it there might be a way to replace the hing pin with a removable pin?


How small is your trunk?


A more compact package is never a bad thing when it comes to survival equipment. If the rifle fits in a package that's two inches narrower hthat's a good thing. Will My AR15 fit into a hardside case and still fit in my trunk? Yes. Will it break down into two shorter pieces and fit into a smaller place if necessary? Absolutely. If this folding rifle either folded completely or came apart into two halves it would be easier to store in certain places, like on boats or private aircraft.
HardShell  [Life Member]
11/17/2012 10:15:20 PM

Originally Posted By Knife_Sniper:

How small is your trunk?

Sometimes every square inch matters...




LonghunterCO  [Team Member]
11/17/2012 10:43:29 PM
Originally Posted By Knife_Sniper:
Originally Posted By LonghunterCO:
Originally Posted By Knife_Sniper:
looks like an excellent trunk gun.


The fact that it does not fold completly down makes it less than it could be. I wonder it there might be a way to replace the hing pin with a removable pin?


How small is your trunk?


Trunk is not that big but I was realy thinking about a pack.
Wyldman  [Team Member]
11/18/2012 3:20:18 AM
Chiappa Little Badger .22 WMR, FTW! If it's at a reasonable price point, that is.

I got the chance to examine the M1 carbine model closely at the Knob Creek machine gun shoot a few weeks ago and was left a bit dissappointed by it. Fit & finish was not good, and a lot of very obvious corners were cut. It looked and felt cheap and unfinished.

My .02, FWIW.
gunnut284  [Team Member]
11/18/2012 8:22:07 AM
Look interesting. Little Badger. The rail on the underside of the grip area behind the trigger guard is dumb. If the price is reasonable and the quality decent I might get one.
coyotesilencer  [Team Member]
11/18/2012 9:13:44 AM
Originally Posted By gunnut284:
The rail on the underside of the grip area behind the trigger guard is dumb.


It accepts a quick detach pistol grip that is removable to help it fold more.



Knife_Sniper  [Member]
11/18/2012 12:00:23 PM
Hrm what could you put on the little badger...

Suppressor

Micro Red Dot

Flashlight

Sounds like a fun time.
PorkChopsMmm  [Member]
11/19/2012 3:33:25 PM
I don't trust Chiappa much but I'm not sure how they could mess this up. Looks pretty neat.
mac1020  [Team Member]
11/21/2012 10:55:04 AM
I like the idea, but for only 1.5 pounds more I can have a 10/22
Milo5  [Member]
11/22/2012 1:31:46 AM
With all the Pica rails for jack lights or lasers and a threaded muzzle too, the gun reminds me of a modern version of the "Poachers Guns" from back in the way back.
Just the same, I may have to have one in .22 Magnum to tuck in my kit 'Just In Case'.
Quake_Guy  [Member]
12/14/2012 12:35:21 AM
needs more rails, rofl...

what is it with survival rifles, I am SOL in the middle of nowhere, possibly injured. You know, lets make hunting and defense against wild animals as challenging as possible to show my love of sport.

I wish someone would make a folding double barrel in 20 ga in a rust proof finish. The Italians made some interesting folding shotguns 20 years ago, not many made it over here. Someone recently tried importing a turkish folding 12 ga a few years ago.

However, 20 ga is plenty power and smaller ammo size makes it a better choice for compactness. With 20 ga bird shot or slugs, you can pretty much take down any North American game animal.

I have a youth 870 20ga with an adult stock, it comes apart into a pretty small package.
1srelluc  [Team Member]
12/14/2012 7:03:53 AM
It has the same POS plastic front and rear sights on it as their M-1 Carbine clone.

My LGS got one of the carbines in and the rear sight was broken in the box.

As for folding it's got a hindge pin so if it comes out it should be able to be stowed in a more compact manner like a M6 scout.

I've heard some folks over on rimfire central that claim the carbine sights on the M1s can be replaced with real ones.
DakotaFAL  [Member]
12/14/2012 12:35:34 PM
A few thoughts:

1) They've definitely gone overboard with the quad rail. A rail on top is nice for s small scope or dot sight. And removing the lower rail would let it fold a little farther.

2) Threading the muzzle has some gee whiz tacticool appeal, but it's not needed in a survival situation and a suppressor is just dead weight in a survival rifle or a pack rifle. Worse, threading a pencil weight barrel almost always results in some expansion of the bore near the muzzle and costs accuracy. That's a shame in a single shot design that with a quality barrel can be very accurate - something that is very important in a survival rifle.

3) Wire stocks sound like a great idea until it's incredibly cold out, then they are not such a great idea. But, it would be a convenient place to wrap/store 550 cord for a survival situation.

4) I agree a removable pin would be nice to allow it to be separated into two pieces - provided it is on a lanyard that prevents it from being lost.

5) Being chambered in just .22LR, .22 Mag or a .17 rimfire is a little limiting.

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What is ideal in a survival rifle depends on what you need and how you're going to carry it.

If space and weight are at a premium and you are carrying it in on your back, then something like this makes sense:



And that's probably where the Chiappa rifle fits best, although it's handicapped a bit by the lack of a second larger bore such as the .410 birdshot shot or .410 slug capability of the early M6s or the slightly less functional .410 birdshot capability but much welcomed .45 Colt capability of the later M6s.

If weight is not at a premium but convenience is, then this is a good way to go and offers both .22LR and 5.56mm capability:







In this case, the case is an important component as it keeps the rifle, .5,.56mm bolt and magazines, .22 conversion unit and magazines, 250 rounds of .22LR, 80 rounds of 5.56mm, 3 x scope, and basic signal, and fire starter stuff together in an easy to keep together, grab, and throw in the baggage compartment package. And it's compact enough to fit in even a small PA-12, PA-18, etc baggage compartment along with first aide and winter survival gear.

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The AR-7 is my least favorite survival rifle. I have one, I just don't like it all that much for other than collector value. It's light and compact, but it's not exactly stellar in terms of reliability or accuracy and it lacks any innate sling or carry strap.

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In any event, if you choose to take a semi-auto survival rifle, then bring along at least 2 magazines as it's just too risky to have the rifle rely on a single magazine that may be damaged, fail to feed or be lost.
Mach1  [Member]
12/14/2012 1:13:40 PM
Meh...I'll take a Ruger Single Six instead.
1srelluc  [Team Member]
12/15/2012 7:11:09 AM
Looking at the vid I also question the idea of marketing it for training kids. If I wanted to train a kid to shoot a .22 that thing would be my very last choice. Lots of better choices out there.

As a "survival rifle" it's pretty much of a one trick pony with it being just a .22. No on-board ammo storage either. The threaded barrel really makes no sense. If the weapon will be kept as a "truck gun" who in their right mind will leave their can with it?

The military had the right idea with the M6 O/U as a pure survival rifle. On board ammo storage and no TG. The addition of a TG and hammer mounted locking safety on the later ones was a lawyer move. All it ends up doing is creating a huge pinch point and keeps it from folding properly. I kept the 1983 made SA M6 Survival and sold the CZ made Scout for just that reason.



BTW.....Loose the 550 cord on the barrels of a M6 as it will change the POI of the barrels.
xikteny  [Team Member]
12/16/2012 3:43:19 AM
Sort of interesting... I'd like it to fold more completely, and I also hope the sights aren't plastic.
DakotaFAL  [Member]
12/16/2012 11:31:58 AM
Originally Posted By 1srelluc:
BTW.....Loose the 550 cord on the barrels of a M6 as it will change the POI of the barrels.
I think you may have meant "lose the 550 cord" but I agree with you on the word "loose".

Oddly enough the para cord on the barrel thing had military origins. If you've ever shot a rifle with no hand guard in -30 F temps with gloves, or shot one at 30 F without gloves, you'll understand why wrapping the barrel to create a hand guard is convenient. And in a pinch you'll have 6-7 ft of 550 cord. I run the bitter end back through the last loop then melt the end and stick it back to the cord, so it does not rely on tension to retain the end yet it's still readily accessible.

Changing the POI is not an issue unless you've got the barrels tightly wrapped. If the 550 cord is just snug enough not to be loose and floppy, it won't change the POI. Shoot the rifle at 50 yards, then wrap it lightly, dressing it with finger and thumb rather than tugging on it. It should still have some "squish" between the barrels. Then re-shoot. If you see no change in POI, then you know you've got it right.

I also run 5 loops of 550cord between a sling swivel and a nail to create a sling, and then wrap it with a solomon bar. That gives me about 25' of 550 cord that can be quickly stripped out of the sling before I lose the capability of a sling, and then there is still about 40 more feet in solomon bar knot itself that can be un woven. The QD sling swivel attaches to the barrel band, and the other end is tied with a loop of 550 cord though the small hole in the toe of the stock




1srelluc  [Team Member]
12/16/2012 3:35:29 PM
Originally Posted By DakotaFAL:
Originally Posted By 1srelluc:
BTW.....Loose the 550 cord on the barrels of a M6 as it will change the POI of the barrels.
I think you may have meant "lose the 550 cord" but I agree with you on the word "loose".

Oddly enough the para cord on the barrel thing had military origins. If you've ever shot a rifle with no hand guard in -30 F temps with gloves, or shot one at 30 F without gloves, you'll understand why wrapping the barrel to create a hand guard is convenient. And in a pinch you'll have 6-7 ft of 550 cord. I run the bitter end back through the last loop then melt the end and stick it back to the cord, so it does not rely on tension to retain the end yet it's still readily accessible.

Changing the POI is not an issue unless you've got the barrels tightly wrapped. If the 550 cord is just snug enough not to be loose and floppy, it won't change the POI. Shoot the rifle at 50 yards, then wrap it lightly, dressing it with finger and thumb rather than tugging on it. It should still have some "squish" between the barrels. Then re-shoot. If you see no change in POI, then you know you've got it right.

I also run 5 loops of 550cord between a sling swivel and a nail to create a sling, and then wrap it with a solomon bar. That gives me about 25' of 550 cord that can be quickly stripped out of the sling before I lose the capability of a sling, and then there is still about 40 more feet in solomon bar knot itself that can be un woven. The QD sling swivel attaches to the barrel band, and the other end is tied with a loop of 550 cord though the small hole in the toe of the stock



Meh...Different strokes, no 550 cord on the barrels for me. LOL....My hands ain't that darn sensitive.

At least you considered the POI issue. Most folks just wrap them like a mummy because they think it looks cool.

A sling of 550 cord is fine as you don't have to worry about that bothering POI. It's just more than I want on the M6 for my purposes.

As far as the swivels I used thick split rings instead of a sling loop on the QD swivels to take advantage of my 3/4" strap. BTW....A long shanked (wood screw type) QD swivel stud is a direct replacement for the buttstock screw. Works great.


I'll bet you would have fun wrapping that wire stock on the Chiappa with 550 cord.


DakotaFAL  [Member]
12/17/2012 10:32:14 AM
Originally Posted By 1srelluc:Meh...Different strokes, no 550 cord on the barrels for me. LOL....My hands ain't that darn sensitive.

At least you considered the POI issue. Most folks just wrap them like a mummy because they think it looks cool.

A sling of 550 cord is fine as you don't have to worry about that bothering POI. It's just more than I want on the M6 for my purposes.

As far as the swivels I used thick split rings instead of a sling loop on the QD swivels to take advantage of my 3/4" strap. BTW....A long shanked (wood screw type) QD swivel stud is a direct replacement for the buttstock screw. Works great.


I'll bet you would have fun wrapping that wire stock on the Chiappa with 550 cord.


I should probably give the full confession as I actually evolved into wrapping the barrels pretty snugly.

I started the practice of lightly wrapping the barrels, with due regard to possible POI changes and accuracy issues. However I ran out of range projects and decided to experiment a bit with my M6. I unwrapped it and shot for accuracy and got the same 2.0-2.5" groups at 50 yards on point of aim (6 o'clock hold on an A23 target) that I normally got with the lightly wrapped barrel.

I re-wrapped it lightly and shot it with the same accuracy and POI (confirming lightly wrapping has no effect on POI or accuracy). However then I started snugging it up to see what would happen to POI. This involved wrapping thumb and fore finger around the wrap and rotating the wrap slightly, starting at the receiver and working out to the end of the "hand guard", creating about a half wrap excess cord. I then shot it and noted that while the POI rose a bit, the groups got a little tighter. This was interesting so I repeated this tightening process twice more and at the end I was getting 1" five shot groups at 50 yards with the rounds now impacting about 3.5" above POA.

The potential fly in the ointment is that nylon stretches when wet so there was the potential for POI changes in rainy conditions. But I let the cord absorb some gun oil over the course of a few weeks then re wrapped it per the range test and re-shot with identical accuracy and POI. But my M6 has been in the safe or in dry conditions since, so I had no idea if the POI would be effected by moisture.

You got me to thinking about that again and with a nice drizzly rain yesterday I left the rifle out on the deck for a couple hours then shot it, producing this (excuse the shaky picture and the thumb, the ground was soaked so I was holding both target and iPhone):



Consequently, while I would not want to tightly wrap an M6 I just picked up or as not familiar with in a survival situation, I'm going leave mine wrapped as is as it seems to be a very consistent performer and it's demonstrating 2 MOA solid accuracy at 50 yards with the stock sights, as opposed to the previous 4-5 MOA accuracy. In effect, the wrap seems to be acting like a tuner moderating the vibration and reducing group size.





mike_nds  [Dealer]
12/18/2012 6:32:19 AM
Originally Posted By Quake_Guy:
needs more rails, rofl...

what is it with survival rifles, I am SOL in the middle of nowhere, possibly injured. You know, lets make hunting and defense against wild animals as challenging as possible to show my love of sport.

I wish someone would make a folding double barrel in 20 ga in a rust proof finish. The Italians made some interesting folding shotguns 20 years ago, not many made it over here. Someone recently tried importing a turkish folding 12 ga a few years ago.

However, 20 ga is plenty power and smaller ammo size makes it a better choice for compactness. With 20 ga bird shot or slugs, you can pretty much take down any North American game animal.

I have a youth 870 20ga with an adult stock, it comes apart into a pretty small package.



I had one of those old Beretta 412 folding 20ga shotguns back in the late 80's.

Here's my "modern" solution. An H&R Tamer 20ga .The forearm has thumb screw for easy removal and breakdown.




shack357  [Team Member]
12/18/2012 1:00:21 PM
Originally Posted By mike_nds:
Originally Posted By Quake_Guy:
needs more rails, rofl...

what is it with survival rifles, I am SOL in the middle of nowhere, possibly injured. You know, lets make hunting and defense against wild animals as challenging as possible to show my love of sport.

I wish someone would make a folding double barrel in 20 ga in a rust proof finish. The Italians made some interesting folding shotguns 20 years ago, not many made it over here. Someone recently tried importing a turkish folding 12 ga a few years ago.

However, 20 ga is plenty power and smaller ammo size makes it a better choice for compactness. With 20 ga bird shot or slugs, you can pretty much take down any North American game animal.

I have a youth 870 20ga with an adult stock, it comes apart into a pretty small package.



I had one of those old Beretta 412 folding 20ga shotguns back in the late 80's.

Here's my "modern" solution. An H&R Tamer 20ga .The forearm has thumb screw for easy removal and breakdown.

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/tamer_bunny.jpg
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/Tamer_breakdown.JPG



Gonna build something similar. Local shop had a 20 gauge singleshot last time I was there. Old Stevens, slightly pitted. $65. Going to offer $50 tomorrow or Thursday, cut and duracoat. I think it has the old pull-off forearm, so the takedown screw isn't even an issue.
mike_nds  [Dealer]
12/18/2012 2:16:02 PM
This is a pretty good thread.

$30 sh*tbox shotgun

ETA: sorry for the highjack just talking survival guns here.............
shack357  [Team Member]
12/18/2012 5:19:43 PM
Originally Posted By Quake_Guy:


what is it with survival rifles, I am SOL in the middle of nowhere, possibly injured. You know, lets make hunting and defense against wild animals as challenging as possible to show my love of sport.

.


Don't underestimate a singleshot .22 for survival situations. It's quiet(even with hyper velocity it's quieter than most, if not all centerfires). Singleshots tend to be a simpler mechanism and more compact. Basically all you have is a barrel, something to hold it with, a trigger and hammer, and a spring to make them work. No spring loaded mechanisms for ammo feeding or action cycling. Less parts to worry about losing when you have t take it back down and case it to move on.
Also, I agree these are extreme cases, but there are cases of one shot kills on grizzlies and elephants with a .22LR. I think it would work just fine on animals to eat and the occasional bad guy, especially if you can take his weapon afterwards.
Is a shotgun a better choice? Sometimes. Many more choices for purpose built ammo(even in 20 gauge or .410)_ but much louder, and even a light H&R single weighs more than a simple .22 when weight is a concern. Trapped in a nasty area and need to kill a rabbit or something to eat, or take out a guard dog? Give me the rimfire every time.
squirrelslayer1  [Member]
12/18/2012 5:37:39 PM
Originally Posted By Bandit117:
I like the looks of it, 3 lb weight is hard to beat, especially in a 22 magnum or a 17 hmr.


http://www.chiappafirearms.com/product/2459

they also make a 22lr m1 carbine!


Junk
Redtazdog  [Team Member]
12/18/2012 11:51:21 PM


Integral suppressed too

or other calibers like 44 mag with a folding stock makes it compact

1srelluc  [Team Member]
12/19/2012 5:30:53 AM
Originally Posted By DakotaFAL:
Originally Posted By 1srelluc:Meh...Different strokes, no 550 cord on the barrels for me. LOL....My hands ain't that darn sensitive.

At least you considered the POI issue. Most folks just wrap them like a mummy because they think it looks cool.

A sling of 550 cord is fine as you don't have to worry about that bothering POI. It's just more than I want on the M6 for my purposes.

As far as the swivels I used thick split rings instead of a sling loop on the QD swivels to take advantage of my 3/4" strap. BTW....A long shanked (wood screw type) QD swivel stud is a direct replacement for the buttstock screw. Works great.


I'll bet you would have fun wrapping that wire stock on the Chiappa with 550 cord.


I should probably give the full confession as I actually evolved into wrapping the barrels pretty snugly.

I started the practice of lightly wrapping the barrels, with due regard to possible POI changes and accuracy issues. However I ran out of range projects and decided to experiment a bit with my M6. I unwrapped it and shot for accuracy and got the same 2.0-2.5" groups at 50 yards on point of aim (6 o'clock hold on an A23 target) that I normally got with the lightly wrapped barrel.

I re-wrapped it lightly and shot it with the same accuracy and POI (confirming lightly wrapping has no effect on POI or accuracy). However then I started snugging it up to see what would happen to POI. This involved wrapping thumb and fore finger around the wrap and rotating the wrap slightly, starting at the receiver and working out to the end of the "hand guard", creating about a half wrap excess cord. I then shot it and noted that while the POI rose a bit, the groups got a little tighter. This was interesting so I repeated this tightening process twice more and at the end I was getting 1" five shot groups at 50 yards with the rounds now impacting about 3.5" above POA.

The potential fly in the ointment is that nylon stretches when wet so there was the potential for POI changes in rainy conditions. But I let the cord absorb some gun oil over the course of a few weeks then re wrapped it per the range test and re-shot with identical accuracy and POI. But my M6 has been in the safe or in dry conditions since, so I had no idea if the POI would be effected by moisture.

You got me to thinking about that again and with a nice drizzly rain yesterday I left the rifle out on the deck for a couple hours then shot it, producing this (excuse the shaky picture and the thumb, the ground was soaked so I was holding both target and iPhone):

http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h470/SDBB57/M6group_zps6e34f273.jpg

Consequently, while I would not want to tightly wrap an M6 I just picked up or as not familiar with in a survival situation, I'm going leave mine wrapped as is as it seems to be a very consistent performer and it's demonstrating 2 MOA solid accuracy at 50 yards with the stock sights, as opposed to the previous 4-5 MOA accuracy. In effect, the wrap seems to be acting like a tuner moderating the vibration and reducing group size.


Interdasting! Nice job.

Another issue with the folks that tend to "mummy wrap" their parked M6 is they get them wet, put them up, and then discover that their barrel has rusted when they take the wrap off. I've seen two over the years that were rusted....Usually in the pattern in which it was wrapped!

The older SA park is a bit thicker than what was on the CZ made ones, if indeed it is a real park. Not to sure what it really was but it's right thin and rusts easier than one might think..


As to the subject of the thread does anyone know the MSRP in the new rifle?
DakotaFAL  [Member]
12/19/2012 11:05:02 AM
Originally Posted By 1srelluc:

Another issue with the folks that tend to "mummy wrap" their parked M6 is they get them wet, put them up, and then discover that their barrel has rusted when they take the wrap off. I've seen two over the years that were rusted....Usually in the pattern in which it was wrapped!

The older SA park is a bit thicker than what was on the CZ made ones, if indeed it is a real park. Not to sure what it really was but it's right thin and rusts easier than one might think.
I like the idea of the .45 LC chambering in the CZ's but I just can't find enough else to love about them. I looked a long time for my early serial numbers SA M6.

Soaking the 550 cord in oil was partly to make it less stretch prone, and partly to help prevent it from absorbing water.

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As for the Chiappa "Little Badger" I'll probably buy one just because I have a thing for .22 survival type rifles. And unlike the AR-7 it has an all steel barrel.