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eatyourvegys  [Member]
1/5/2011 5:41:15 PM
Which company makes better barrels and trigger assemblies?
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BlindFaith429  [Member]
1/5/2011 6:12:20 PM
I have a KIDD 2 stage in my rifle. Form what I have read, the KIDD is a whole redesign of the 10/22 trigger in a 10/22 trigger housing, while the VQ is just a polished & cleaned up version of the factory. I'm sure both are good, but from what I have read and felt with my KIDD, I would say KIDD>VQ for triggers.

As for barrels, I'm not sure. There are allot of other choices that are good for barrel manufacturers
Luther01  [Member]
1/5/2011 9:22:01 PM
VQ for me when it comes to barrels, they are about the same accuracy wise. I don't own any of their TG's but I hear a lot of people talking about Kidd in that department.
batmanacw  [Team Member]
1/5/2011 9:22:42 PM
Kidd's triggers flat out spank VQ. No contest. Like comparing a Lamborghini to a cobalt. I have a VQ I tuned up that is very nice. I turned it into a two stage and it breaks very nicely at 1lb, but it took a tremendous amount of work to make it do that. You can buy a Kidd trigger set to what ever you want and its adjustable.


Kidd and VQ barrels are comparable, but I picked Kidd. Tony is easy to deal with and they seem to have no problems doing special stuff for you. They are both top notch. Kidd uses lothar walther blanks that are some of the best available.


I am thinking about buying a Kidd trigger for my silhouette build at the beginning of next month. They are phenomenal.
frog5215  [Member]
1/5/2011 10:12:14 PM
Volquartsen's trigger just optimizes the original Ruger design. If you already have a 10/22 trigger, you can get just as good function with a $65 Clark trigger job or a DIY PowerCustom hammer & sear.
Tony Kidd's ( Kidd Innovative Design- coolguyguns.com) trigger is a complete departure. Completely adjustable, repeatable.
NOTHING comes close.

Barrels, eh. They both start as Lothar Walther blanks. Both shoot amazingly well. KID barrels are less expensive.
eatyourvegys  [Member]
1/5/2011 10:40:48 PM
Thank you for the replies I will order a Kidd trigger as soon as I have the money, I have heard a lot about Whistle Pig barrels are they a good investment?
batmanacw  [Team Member]
1/5/2011 10:45:15 PM
Originally Posted By eatyourvegys:
Thank you for the replies I will order a Kidd trigger as soon as I have the money, I have heard a lot about Whistle Pig barrels are they a good investment?


If you are going for aluminum and light weight, check out the Kidd lightweight. The whistle pigs are not going to compete with the Kidd.
eatyourvegys  [Member]
1/5/2011 10:56:54 PM
Alright thank you guys. I will now probably get one of the Kidd combo packs, is it worth the extra $30 to get the Kidd receiver pins and bolt buffer?
batmanacw  [Team Member]
1/5/2011 11:07:27 PM
Originally Posted By eatyourvegys:
Alright thank you guys. I will now probably get one of the Kidd combo packs, is it worth the extra $30 to get the Kidd receiver pins and bolt buffer?


I would get the bolt buffer else where for less and the pins are not a huge deal.
ducatista1198s  [Member]
1/6/2011 9:14:51 PM
KID barrels are as good as it gets. His blanks are bored and rifled by Lothar Walther. Tony's chamber is tighter than a bentz but still feeds reliably too. My KID 18" with WOLF ME shoots .17 - .28 at 50yds and will hold .60 - .80 at 100yds. Seriously GREAT barrels...and a steal right now for $175.

ducatista
jrinfoley  [Team Member]
1/6/2011 11:38:09 PM

Originally Posted By ducatista1198s:
KID barrels are as good as it gets. His blanks are bored and rifled by Lothar Walther. Tony's chamber is tighter than a bentz but still feeds reliably too. My KID 18" with WOLF ME shoots .17 - .28 at 50yds and will hold .60 - .80 at 100yds. Seriously GREAT barrels...and a steal right now for $175.

ducatista

I have a KIDD trigger in one of my 10/22 rifles with a A&B barrel. The trigger is so nice I plan on re-barreling it with a KIDD barrel someday to complete the set.
forever4  [Member]
1/7/2011 1:03:36 AM
I have a VQ trigger and like it very much. But, I hear nothing but praise for the KID triggers. I might have gotten one but I was on a budget when I bought it and got the VQ for half what the KID went for, otherwise I would be using a KID today.
Luther01  [Member]
1/7/2011 10:57:42 PM
Originally Posted By eatyourvegys:
Alright thank you guys. I will now probably get one of the Kidd combo packs, is it worth the extra $30 to get the Kidd receiver pins and bolt buffer?


Here check this link out. This subject is a on going debate over on Rimfire Central. VQ Carbon Fiber Barrels look far better than Kidd and plus the accuracy is there. You will be very pleased with VQ. Good luck!
frog5215  [Member]
1/8/2011 7:21:57 AM
A VQ carbon barrel looks great, shoots great....as long as you're not standing up.
WAY too light for adult target use.
Give me a 20-22" bull every time.
batmanacw  [Team Member]
1/8/2011 7:58:41 AM
Originally Posted By Luther01:
Originally Posted By eatyourvegys:
Alright thank you guys. I will now probably get one of the Kidd combo packs, is it worth the extra $30 to get the Kidd receiver pins and bolt buffer?


Here check this link out. This subject is a on going debate over on Rimfire Central. VQ Carbon Fiber Barrels look far better than Kidd and plus the accuracy is there. You will be very pleased with VQ. Good luck!


link?
Luther01  [Member]
1/8/2011 11:05:19 AM
That's not true. I don't punch paper, however I do hunt with 10/22 Ultimate build and I can tell you that the weight is spot on standing or sitting down.

Luther01  [Member]
1/8/2011 11:06:47 AM
Originally Posted By batmanacw:
Originally Posted By Luther01:
Originally Posted By eatyourvegys:
Alright thank you guys. I will now probably get one of the Kidd combo packs, is it worth the extra $30 to get the Kidd receiver pins and bolt buffer?


Here check this link out. This subject is a on going debate over on Rimfire Central. VQ Carbon Fiber Barrels look far better than Kidd and plus the accuracy is there. You will be very pleased with VQ. Good luck!


link?


oops! http://www.gunkings.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=29_132&products_id=491

airgunner  [Team Member]
1/8/2011 12:08:52 PM
Regarding barrels its probably a toss up with the edge going to VQ. Trigger wise it's no contest, Kidd all the way
glazer1972  [Life Member]
1/8/2011 1:22:12 PM
I'm sure Kidd is the best of both but for my money I use two VQ hammer only and a GM Fluted 20" SS bbl.
batmanacw  [Team Member]
1/8/2011 3:08:36 PM
Originally Posted By Luther01:
Originally Posted By batmanacw:
Originally Posted By Luther01:
Originally Posted By eatyourvegys:
Alright thank you guys. I will now probably get one of the Kidd combo packs, is it worth the extra $30 to get the Kidd receiver pins and bolt buffer?


Here check this link out. This subject is a on going debate over on Rimfire Central. VQ Carbon Fiber Barrels look far better than Kidd and plus the accuracy is there. You will be very pleased with VQ. Good luck!


link?


oops! http://www.gunkings.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=29_132&products_id=491



I don't want to buy one. I want to see some claiming the VQ carbon fiber is more accurate.

My friend had a VQ carbon fiber barrel and as soon as it got hot the groups would go nuts. He complained and they said it was normal. Its been about 5 years since he had one.

I know that the Kidd barrel is heavier, but not that much. I prefer to give them my barrel money for my next light weight build. Personally, I like a little more weight in my off hand guns. That is why I really like my 16.5" Kidd bull barrel.
Luther01  [Member]
1/8/2011 11:16:30 PM
Originally Posted By batmanacw:
Originally Posted By Luther01:
Originally Posted By batmanacw:
Originally Posted By Luther01:
Originally Posted By eatyourvegys:
Alright thank you guys. I will now probably get one of the Kidd combo packs, is it worth the extra $30 to get the Kidd receiver pins and bolt buffer?


Here check this link out. This subject is a on going debate over on Rimfire Central. VQ Carbon Fiber Barrels look far better than Kidd and plus the accuracy is there. You will be very pleased with VQ. Good luck!


link?


oops! http://www.gunkings.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=29_132&products_id=491



I don't want to buy one. I want to see some claiming the VQ carbon fiber is more accurate.

My friend had a VQ carbon fiber barrel and as soon as it got hot the groups would go nuts. He complained and they said it was normal. Its been about 5 years since he had one.

I know that the Kidd barrel is heavier, but not that much. I prefer to give them my barrel money for my next light weight build. Personally, I like a little more weight in my off hand guns. That is why I really like my 16.5" Kidd bull barrel.


Never said that it was more accurate, it looks better. My needs were totally different from yours. As to your friend, how in the world can a 22 barrel get "hot"? I never had that problem while sighting in my rifle, the groups got better as I zeroed the scope in and that was around 500rds including break in. On top of that I am using Centurion 38gr HP's which is not the best ammo out there accuracy wise, but I can get dime size groups past 50 with my VQ Barrel. I'm sure someone over at rimfire central has done that comparison Kidd vs VQ. I chose the VQ Barrel because of the light weight, and it looks better, and extremely accurate.

Everyone has a favorite, and Kidd is not mine. I don't think that one is more accurate than the other, I think that both in the right hands can shot nice groups and I also know that Kidd makes good stuff but not the best. My next build will have a Clark Midweight Barrel, and Clark is the company that started this bull barrel madness. they have been out far longer than VQ and Kidd.

To each his own!
batmanacw  [Team Member]
1/8/2011 11:30:27 PM
Originally Posted By Luther01:
Originally Posted By batmanacw:
Originally Posted By Luther01:
Originally Posted By batmanacw:
Originally Posted By Luther01:
Originally Posted By eatyourvegys:
Alright thank you guys. I will now probably get one of the Kidd combo packs, is it worth the extra $30 to get the Kidd receiver pins and bolt buffer?


Here check this link out. This subject is a on going debate over on Rimfire Central. VQ Carbon Fiber Barrels look far better than Kidd and plus the accuracy is there. You will be very pleased with VQ. Good luck!


link?


oops! http://www.gunkings.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=29_132&products_id=491



I don't want to buy one. I want to see some claiming the VQ carbon fiber is more accurate.

My friend had a VQ carbon fiber barrel and as soon as it got hot the groups would go nuts. He complained and they said it was normal. Its been about 5 years since he had one.

I know that the Kidd barrel is heavier, but not that much. I prefer to give them my barrel money for my next light weight build. Personally, I like a little more weight in my off hand guns. That is why I really like my 16.5" Kidd bull barrel.


Never said that it was more accurate, it looks better. My needs were totally different from yours. As to your friend, how in the world can a 22 barrel get "hot"? I never had that problem while sighting in my rifle, the groups got better as I zeroed the scope in and that was around 500rds including break in. On top of that I am using Centurion 38gr HP's which is not the best ammo out there accuracy wise, but I can get dime size groups past 50 with my VQ Barrel. I'm sure someone over at rimfire central has done that comparison Kidd vs VQ. I chose the VQ Barrel because of the light weight, and it looks better, and extremely accurate.

Everyone has a favorite, and Kidd is not mine. I don't think that one is more accurate than the other, I think that both in the right hands can shot nice groups and I also know that Kidd makes good stuff but not the best. My next build will have a Clark Midweight Barrel, and Clark is the company that started this bull barrel madness. they have been out far longer than VQ and Kidd.

To each his own!


When the tensioned carbon fiber barrel gets warmed up, not only through firing, but also heating from the sun, the steel expands and the carbon fiber does not. It only takes a few .0001" of expansion to lower the tension on the barrel and change the harmonics. His barrel liked to string horizontally once it warmed up. Not a huge amount. It was still 10 times more accurate than any Tactical solutions barrel.....


If you haven't heated up a .22 lr barrel you haven't been shooting before...
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