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AmericanSoldier1989  [Member]
4/19/2011 9:36:34 PM
I bought a Mossberg 590A1 today from a guy, and It had a Surefire forend installed on it. After I put a battery in it (which was brand new) , I noticed how dull the light was. So I'm assuming it's below 65 lumens being that it only uses ONE CR123 battery. I tried to switch out the flashlight with my G2 LED .. It was a fail. What do I have to do to get more lumens? Can I buy the flashlights specifically made for that forend? Or am I just stuck with it?
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bmyk  [Team Member]
4/19/2011 10:45:02 PM
Is it an incandescent light or LED? What model is the light?
nchapa  [Member]
4/19/2011 10:45:38 PM
Malkoff surefire drop ins I've had one for 2 years on one of my duty use sure fire. Its a really good investment. Compared to the surefire led it is about twice as bright, and last 3 times longer.
AmericanSoldier1989  [Member]
4/19/2011 10:51:57 PM
Originally Posted By bmyk:
Is it an incandescent light or LED? What model is the light?


That. Not sure the model, looked but couldn't find. It looks like the current model forends, but half the size of the flashlight.

Like this, but not as long.
AmericanSoldier1989  [Member]
4/19/2011 10:55:27 PM
Originally Posted By nchapa:
Malkoff surefire drop ins I've had one for 2 years on one of my duty use sure fire. Its a really good investment. Compared to the surefire led it is about twice as bright, and last 3 times longer.


That's cool and all, but my forend only allows for one battery. Would that suck it dry in minutes?
nchapa  [Member]
4/19/2011 11:06:25 PM
Originally Posted By AmericanSoldier1989:
Originally Posted By nchapa:
Malkoff surefire drop ins I've had one for 2 years on one of my duty use sure fire. Its a really good investment. Compared to the surefire led it is about twice as bright, and last 3 times longer.


That's cool and all, but my forend only allows for one battery. Would that suck it dry in minutes?


not really, with a battery change it should last the same amount. As long as you dont plan to use the shotgun light for everything like a regular light it should last a long time. cr123 batteries have a shelf life of 10 years or so. Incandescent lights drain batteries, im talking about maybe 30 to 40 minutes more or less.
AmericanSoldier1989  [Member]
4/19/2011 11:10:21 PM
Originally Posted By nchapa:
Originally Posted By AmericanSoldier1989:
Originally Posted By nchapa:
Malkoff surefire drop ins I've had one for 2 years on one of my duty use sure fire. Its a really good investment. Compared to the surefire led it is about twice as bright, and last 3 times longer.


That's cool and all, but my forend only allows for one battery. Would that suck it dry in minutes?


not really, with a battery change it should last the same amount. As long as you dont plan to use the shotgun light for everything like a regular light it should last a long time. cr123 batteries have a shelf life of 10 years or so. Incandescent lights drain batteries, im talking about maybe 30 to 40 minutes more or less.


Which drop in do you have? And which one would you recommend for just a single CR123 battery?
TREETOP  [Team Member]
4/19/2011 11:10:38 PM
Is there a part number on the bulb/reflector assembly?
I'm guessing it's a P60 bulb (which is supposed to run off 2 batteries) and the wrong spacer body was installed. You can get an extension the length of a single battery, I used to do that back in the day when converting 2-cell weaponlights to 9v P90 bulbs.
AmericanSoldier1989  [Member]
4/19/2011 11:14:54 PM
Originally Posted By TREETOP:
Is there a part number on the bulb/reflector assembly?
I'm guessing it's a P60 bulb (which is supposed to run off 2 batteries) and the wrong spacer body was installed. You can get an extension the length of a single battery, I used to do that back in the day when converting 2-cell weaponlights to 9v P90 bulbs.


Yeah, A43638. And it is a P60 bulb....So I can buy an extension to solve my problem?

Will this work?
nchapa  [Member]
4/19/2011 11:28:20 PM
Originally Posted By AmericanSoldier1989:
Originally Posted By nchapa:
Originally Posted By AmericanSoldier1989:
Originally Posted By nchapa:
Malkoff surefire drop ins I've had one for 2 years on one of my duty use sure fire. Its a really good investment. Compared to the surefire led it is about twice as bright, and last 3 times longer.


That's cool and all, but my forend only allows for one battery. Would that suck it dry in minutes?


not really, with a battery change it should last the same amount. As long as you dont plan to use the shotgun light for everything like a regular light it should last a long time. cr123 batteries have a shelf life of 10 years or so. Incandescent lights drain batteries, im talking about maybe 30 to 40 minutes more or less.


Which drop in do you have? And which one would you recommend for just a single CR123 battery?


I have the M60 which I dont find on their site anymore (Collectors?) but it appears by the descrition that the M31 drop in is used for 1 cr123 battery lights. the M61 is used for the 2 cr123 lights.
TREETOP  [Team Member]
4/19/2011 11:32:13 PM
Originally Posted By AmericanSoldier1989:
Originally Posted By TREETOP:
Is there a part number on the bulb/reflector assembly?
I'm guessing it's a P60 bulb (which is supposed to run off 2 batteries) and the wrong spacer body was installed. You can get an extension the length of a single battery, I used to do that back in the day when converting 2-cell weaponlights to 9v P90 bulbs.


Yeah, A43638. And it is a P60 bulb....So I can buy an extension to solve my problem?

Will this work?


I'm not familiar with that company or that brand, but that looks like it'll work fine. As long as it has internal threads on one end and external threads on the other, and it's the length of a CR123, go for it. A P60 bulb needs two 3v batteries, as you found out it'll illuminate but not well with just one.

[edit:] Did some quick research on that part, yep it'll work.
AmericanSoldier1989  [Member]
4/19/2011 11:36:33 PM
Originally Posted By TREETOP:
Originally Posted By AmericanSoldier1989:
Originally Posted By TREETOP:
Is there a part number on the bulb/reflector assembly?
I'm guessing it's a P60 bulb (which is supposed to run off 2 batteries) and the wrong spacer body was installed. You can get an extension the length of a single battery, I used to do that back in the day when converting 2-cell weaponlights to 9v P90 bulbs.


Yeah, A43638. And it is a P60 bulb....So I can buy an extension to solve my problem?

Will this work?


I'm not familiar with that company or that brand, but that looks like it'll work fine. As long as it has internal threads on one end and external threads on the other, and it's the length of a CR123, go for it. A P60 bulb needs two 3v batteries, as you found out it'll illuminate but not well with just one.

[edit:] Did some quick research on that part, yep it'll work.


You wouldn't happen to know of a company that would have one right off would you? I hate to order from a company that seems sketchy, you know?
TREETOP  [Team Member]
4/20/2011 12:00:44 AM
Originally Posted By AmericanSoldier1989:


You wouldn't happen to know of a company that would have one right off would you? I hate to order from a company that seems sketchy, you know?


Looks like that site is run by a guy on CPF, should be fine.
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?261680-Surefire-6P-to-9P-Extension
AmericanSoldier1989  [Member]
4/20/2011 12:13:01 AM
Originally Posted By TREETOP:
Originally Posted By AmericanSoldier1989:


You wouldn't happen to know of a company that would have one right off would you? I hate to order from a company that seems sketchy, you know?


Looks like that site is run by a guy on CPF, should be fine.
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?261680-Surefire-6P-to-9P-Extension


Cool thanks for all of your inputs! I was thinking I was going to have to sell it and go another route. Phew!
Gravity3694  [Member]
4/20/2011 12:47:02 AM
The 618/623 series uses two batteries. You must have the newer one cell LED version if you can only put one battery in.

You do know that only one batter fits in the forend itself and the other goes into the tube with the lamp?
AmericanSoldier1989  [Member]
4/20/2011 1:09:27 AM
Originally Posted By Gravity3694:
The 618/623 series uses two batteries. You must have the newer one cell LED version if you can only put one battery in.

You do know that only one batter fits in the forend itself and the other goes into the tube with the lamp?


Mine isn't an LED version, that's the thing. I will post a picture.

Gravity3694  [Member]
4/20/2011 1:27:01 AM
That's the older incan version. Can you tell me if the bulb is a p60 bulb?
AmericanSoldier1989  [Member]
4/20/2011 1:39:45 AM
Originally Posted By Gravity3694:
That's the older incan version. Can you tell me if the bulb is a p60 bulb?


Yes, it is a P60 incandescent bulb.
Gravity3694  [Member]
4/20/2011 2:41:15 AM

Originally Posted By AmericanSoldier1989:
Originally Posted By Gravity3694:
That's the older incan version. Can you tell me if the bulb is a p60 bulb?


Yes, it is a P60 incandescent bulb.

You should be able to use an extender. I'd just buy the LED. I have the newer 2 cel incan, but now I use the 618LM series.

I may be willing to part with my old incan 2 cel tube. PM me and I'll think about it.
TREETOP  [Team Member]
4/20/2011 3:19:06 AM
Is there an echo in here?
AmericanSoldier1989  [Member]
4/20/2011 10:36:57 AM
Originally Posted By TREETOP:
Is there an echo in here?


bmyk  [Team Member]
4/20/2011 10:49:46 AM
If that is the older incandescent I think you are missing part of your light. Someone may have removed the body, sacrificed run time for a "sportier" profile. Your light would be dull because you do not have enough power (voltage, 2 x 3v batteries in serial configuration) to run that particular bulb. It should have two batteries and it is basically a P2 / G2. I have this light on my shotgun and I replaced the incan. bulb with a G2 LED bulb to give better light and longer battery life. I would talk to the person you got the shotgun from and ask for the missing part or contact SureFire and get the missing part. Or maybe you can get a 3v bulb assembly. I could be wrong, M2C YMMV.

As far as run time needed and low light with a weapon mounted light, that is a whole art form in itself. Good on you for training with your gear and running matches that allow you practice these techniques.
Good luck
R/
Mike

Not the best picture, but here is mine...


RumbleTruck  [Team Member]
4/22/2011 11:04:01 PM
Originally Posted By Gravity3694:

Originally Posted By AmericanSoldier1989:
Originally Posted By Gravity3694:
That's the older incan version. Can you tell me if the bulb is a p60 bulb?


Yes, it is a P60 incandescent bulb.

You should be able to use an extender. I'd just buy the LED. I have the newer 2 cel incan, but now I use the 618LM series.

I may be willing to part with my old incan 2 cel tube. PM me and I'll think about it.


The extender is the Surefire A19, which you can get from Surefire, Optics Planet or LPS Tactical for about $20

AmericanSoldier1989  [Member]
4/23/2011 12:31:53 AM
Originally Posted By RumbleTruck:
Originally Posted By Gravity3694:

Originally Posted By AmericanSoldier1989:
Originally Posted By Gravity3694:
That's the older incan version. Can you tell me if the bulb is a p60 bulb?


Yes, it is a P60 incandescent bulb.

You should be able to use an extender. I'd just buy the LED. I have the newer 2 cel incan, but now I use the 618LM series.

I may be willing to part with my old incan 2 cel tube. PM me and I'll think about it.


The extender is the Surefire A19, which you can get from Surefire, Optics Planet or LPS Tactical for about $20



Won't work. Just learned the hard way. Did a little research and the SureFire A12 Lithium Battery Adapter for Classic Universal Gun Light Systems is the one that will fit. The dimensions are different for some reason.
mouthpiece  [Member]
4/23/2011 4:58:02 PM
Call Surefire and explain to them what you got.
More than likely they can help you and you'll get the right part the first time.
I have had very good results by contacting Surefire. Not always free, but sometimes!
thumbbreak  [Member]
4/23/2011 5:33:21 PM
I sent you an e-mail. I can help you with the correct items.
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