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 Need help dating a Remington Model 11 autoloader
Blazin413  [Team Member]
1/11/2011 5:19:14 PM
I just searched google for about 30 minutes looking for help, but none so far. The one link that looked promising wouldn't work for me (remingtonsociety.com). If needed, I'll contact Remington about it, but I figured you guys might like a little challenge first. I know I enjoy hunting for info more than going straight to the source unless I have to.

I have, so I've been told, a Remington M11 12g, serial number 115xxx. It has zero markings on it as far as a date code go, nor does it actually say the model number anywhere.







It has "Remington trade mark" stamped on the top of the tang to the rear of the receiver.



It also has "Remington UMC trademark" stamped on the bottom tang behind the trigger guard.



I've read that there should be a date code stamped on the left side of the barrel, but all that's there is "FULL" and the right side only has a proofmark of "R.P." Other than the patent info on the top of the barrel, there are no other markings.

Can anybody help me out or point me in the right direction to get this thing dated?
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Triangle-66  [Member]
1/12/2011 8:33:08 AM
The journals with the serial numbers at remingotn Society only go back to serial number 199,611 which was produced in september 1919. If We guesstimate about 1000 produced each month that makes about 84 months between 1919 and when your's was produced or 7 years prior, or 1912. Calling Remington will give you a more precise production date.

remington journal


Please everyone lose interest in these old Remingtons! I just got into them in the last year and now they are getting collectable and I haven't been able to find one cheap ($100-ish) on GB in a while.

Enjoy your wood and steel antique!
ClemY  [Member]
1/12/2011 8:58:20 AM
My list indicates that numbers between 101,715 and 119,854 were made in 1911.
M4-AK  [Team Member]
1/12/2011 1:46:42 PM
These humpbacks point differently than a regular shotgun, but they point easily. Good guns.

Another John Browning masterpiece.
Blazin413  [Team Member]
1/12/2011 11:59:34 PM
wow... 1911... I'm stunned! This thing has floated around the family for about 7 years. My dad originally bought it from a guy that said it was used during WWII to protect oil stores or derricks in California. While he may be right, I naturally assumed that it was made around that time. He sold it to my uncle, whom I bought it from a little less than a year ago.

I'm going to contact Remington, and if your lists are correct and this gun is 100 years old, I just added a gun to my list of safe queens. My list now has one gun on it.

Fortunately, I did get a chance to shoot it. It is one fun shootin' bastard, if I say so myself.

Here she is in full recoil:

ClemY  [Member]
1/13/2011 8:24:59 AM
My Model 11 was made in 1942 and it definately isn't a safe queen. I just picked up a Winchester Model 1897 pump made in 1918. I got it for CAS and it won't be a safe queen either. If a gun is made after about 1895 it is probably made of good steel. Before that time, the steel tended to be a not as good.

For your Remington, you might want to consider replacing the drag ring and recoil spring. It can make a big difference.
Surly  [Member]
1/13/2011 9:49:17 PM
Originally Posted By ClemY:
My list indicates that numbers between 101,715 and 119,854 were made in 1911.


So where would a 52,000 number date back to, if you don't mind my asking?
ClemY  [Member]
1/14/2011 5:26:45 AM
Originally Posted By Surly:
Originally Posted By ClemY:
My list indicates that numbers between 101,715 and 119,854 were made in 1911.


So where would a 52,000 number date back to, if you don't mind my asking?


My list indicates 1908:

1908 Beginning: 48,841; ending: 63,465; total made that year: 14,625
Sique  [Member]
1/14/2011 11:31:51 AM
Just ask it out.
skywarp989  [Team Member]
1/14/2011 6:25:48 PM
Originally Posted By Triangle-66:
The journals with the serial numbers at remingotn Society only go back to serial number 199,611 which was produced in september 1919. If We guesstimate about 1000 produced each month that makes about 84 months between 1919 and when your's was produced or 7 years prior, or 1912. Calling Remington will give you a more precise production date.

remington journal


Please everyone lose interest in these old Remingtons! I just got into them in the last year and now they are getting collectable and I haven't been able to find one cheap ($100-ish) on GB in a while.

Enjoy your wood and steel antique!


QFT! I haven't even found one yet.
Surly  [Member]
1/14/2011 8:48:27 PM
Originally Posted By ClemY:

My list indicates 1908:

1908 Beginning: 48,841; ending: 63,465; total made that year: 14,625


Thanks dude! I picked her up a few weeks ago for ~$130 and she's a good shooter.

ClemY  [Member]
1/15/2011 6:25:42 AM
Originally Posted By Surly:
Originally Posted By ClemY:

My list indicates 1908:

1908 Beginning: 48,841; ending: 63,465; total made that year: 14,625


Thanks dude! I picked her up a few weeks ago for ~$130 and she's a good shooter.



Sounds like a great price. If it is a good shooter, the drag ring probably isn't worn out yet. When it starts beating on you, it is probably time to replace the drag ring and possibly the recoil spring. Enjoy.
ZachH  [Team Member]
1/15/2011 7:06:27 AM
I guess mine is way older than I though . its in the high 15XXX range , and while everyone is asking , any idea on the age ?

it is a shooter , and its been slightly modified .


Surly  [Member]
1/15/2011 9:51:06 AM
Originally Posted By ClemY:
Originally Posted By Surly:
Originally Posted By ClemY:

My list indicates 1908:

1908 Beginning: 48,841; ending: 63,465; total made that year: 14,625


Thanks dude! I picked her up a few weeks ago for ~$130 and she's a good shooter.



Sounds like a great price. If it is a good shooter, the drag ring probably isn't worn out yet. When it starts beating on you, it is probably time to replace the drag ring and possibly the recoil spring. Enjoy.


I scored a 20" factory barrel for it with the flaming bomb proofs and a Navy anchor for a bill on GB. I'm keeping the original 28" as well. I'll be heading out to shoot the hell out of it shortly. Thanks again!
ClemY  [Member]
1/15/2011 5:13:42 PM
Originally Posted By ZachH:
I guess mine is way older than I though . its in the high 15XXX range , and while everyone is asking , any idea on the age ?

it is a shooter , and its been slightly modified .


<a href="http://s74.photobucket.com/albums/i277/bobsboobs/?action=view¤t=rem11.mp4" target="_blank">http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i277/bobsboobs/th_rem11.jpg</a>


15xxx range?

Looks like 1905, which I believe is the first year of production.
Combat_Diver  [Team Member]
1/16/2011 10:33:53 AM
Remington built them from 1905 til 1947. I've got a Browning Auto 5 built in Belgium in 1948. Remington built approx 850,000 of them. More here....

Rem Model 11

CD
MDS  [Team Member]
1/16/2011 3:50:42 PM
I've had a M11 for 30 years. It kicked hard then, when I was young and solid. Now it kicks the S%$# out of me.
SN 412***.
Yes, the gas ring is at the top.
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ClemY  [Member]
1/17/2011 5:47:26 AM
It looks like yours was made in late 1937 or early 1938.

1937: 405,272 - 412,924
1938: 412,925 - 418,420

If it is beating on you, you might consider replacing what I call the drag ring, what Browning calls the "Friction piece, bronze" for the identical part on the Auto 5. Brownell's has it.
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