Archived Posts » 59,821,464
Thoughts on FNP .45 Tactical?
4/1/2011 12:07:41 AM
That threaded barrel, sights and 15 rd mags really have me interested.
Any experience?
Who has the best price?
Any experience?
Who has the best price?
4/1/2011 12:11:14 AM
I like mine a lot. Setup perfect for a suppressor. I have a FDE Osprey 45 on the way for mine 
4/1/2011 12:11:43 AM
Talk to DK-Prof. He has lots of positive experience. I always see him giving the FNP-45 props. If you want the reasons why I dislike the hell out of it, PM me later. 
4/1/2011 12:43:20 AM
I dig the hell out of mine. Shoots really nice, one ragged hole type thing.
4/2/2011 10:35:44 AM
I'll let you know on Monday when I pick mine up. Tanners in Bucks Co. PA $949. Can't beat it. And get the FDE model MO.
4/2/2011 12:03:31 PM
It is a very good package. And, in my opinion, the shape of things to come from a lot of companies.
Depending on your needs, you will find it to be a very accurate, smooth, and ergonomic gun. The DA trigger pull is terrible, but the SA pull is excellent. It is also the capacity king for .45acp at the moment. As long as the mag fits within the grip, more bullets are always a good thing. In modern .45's, it is second only to the Hk45, and only because it veers in a slightly different direction by sacrificing a little bit of the german over-engineering for simplicity, value, and capacity.
I say get one as this gun is still flying under the radar a bit. If it ever appeared in a hollywood movie, asking prices for these things would double overnight. Looks don't matter to me much, but the FNP-45 Tac is seriously one of the most intimidating and beastly guns out there. It has the credentials to back up the looks too.
4/2/2011 3:58:59 PM
The FNP45-Tac was my first "1911-style" handgun, I was an exclusive glock shooter prior to that.
my .02:
pro:
15+1 ftw
changeable backstrap
threaded+extended barrel
reflex dot application
raised sights
1913 rail
FN's mil-spec manufacturing
oversized mag base for easy grip
con:
was difficult to find proper retention holster for it in the beginning - easier now but still not as easy as a glock
my natural point of aim is so set on glocks that when I bring this gun up on target its canted forward too much - training issue I know, but with a glock its natural
safety has a habit of "sticking" - will go away in time.
––
I personally like and enjoy FN's products - I have a SCAR which I love and this is a great compliment to it.
my .02:
pro:
15+1 ftw
changeable backstrap
threaded+extended barrel
reflex dot application
raised sights
1913 rail
FN's mil-spec manufacturing
oversized mag base for easy grip
con:
was difficult to find proper retention holster for it in the beginning - easier now but still not as easy as a glock
my natural point of aim is so set on glocks that when I bring this gun up on target its canted forward too much - training issue I know, but with a glock its natural
safety has a habit of "sticking" - will go away in time.
––
I personally like and enjoy FN's products - I have a SCAR which I love and this is a great compliment to it.
4/2/2011 4:07:25 PM
I had one ,liked it OK, but never could find a decent holster for it. I ended up trading it in for a SCAR...that got traded in on a Nighthawk T3.
Honestly if I run up on another one and I have the money I'll pick it up
Honestly if I run up on another one and I have the money I'll pick it up
4/2/2011 9:45:48 PM
Originally Posted By GunDisaster:
I like mine a lot. Setup perfect for a suppressor. I have a FDE Osprey 45 on the way for mine
I like mine a lot. Setup perfect for a suppressor. I have a FDE Osprey 45 on the way for mine
Same here
4/3/2011 12:03:13 AM
I wouldn't consider it a 1911 style handgun in the least. This gun works and is really accurate. I did have a problem the first few hundred rounds with some of the cases hitting me in the face but that has settled down after 350 rounds.
JR
Below is first time I shot it at 50 feet modified weaver
JR
Below is first time I shot it at 50 feet modified weaver
4/3/2011 12:55:13 PM
Originally Posted By JRandyH:
I wouldn't consider it a 1911 style handgun in the least.
I wouldn't consider it a 1911 style handgun in the least.
only reason I said its a 1911 style handgun is because I have never owned, nor ever will, a 1911 - it has a manual safety, hammer and profile of many 1911's - hence 1911 style handgun. If it did not have a hammer or a manual safety then it would be a glock style handgun.
4/4/2011 9:34:42 AM
Bought one in early January and it's been a great gun. Shoots very accurately, feeds/eats everything I've run through it without a single FTF, 15+1 rounds of 45, raised night sights, drilled and tapped for the mini reflex for tactical target shooting and threaded muzzle for suppressor or a muzzle break.......... what's not to like. It's a great gun. You won't be disappointed.
4/5/2011 8:27:59 PM
Originally Posted By Pam202a:
only reason I said its a 1911 style handgun is because I have never owned, nor ever will, a 1911 - it has a manual safety, hammer and profile of many 1911's - hence 1911 style handgun. If it did not have a hammer or a manual safety then it would be a glock style handgun.
Originally Posted By JRandyH:
I wouldn't consider it a 1911 style handgun in the least.
I wouldn't consider it a 1911 style handgun in the least.
only reason I said its a 1911 style handgun is because I have never owned, nor ever will, a 1911 - it has a manual safety, hammer and profile of many 1911's - hence 1911 style handgun. If it did not have a hammer or a manual safety then it would be a glock style handgun.
Officer Pam, I'm curious why you would never own a 1911? Have you ever fired one? I don't want to assume. What do you have against the most popular .45 hand gun in history?
4/5/2011 10:21:03 PM
Originally Posted By libra8:
Officer Pam, I'm curious why you would never own a 1911? Have you ever fired one? I don't want to assume. What do you have against the most popular .45 hand gun in history?
Officer Pam, I'm curious why you would never own a 1911? Have you ever fired one? I don't want to assume. What do you have against the most popular .45 hand gun in history?
1911s are an emotional issue. Most either love them or hate them. I really like them, but they aren't really the best gun for carry in the modern world. I also prefer DA/SA, but that's just personal preference.
I have 1911s and love taking them to the range. But there are so many reasons not to carry them.
The FNP 45 is actually my daily carry, and it is basically perfect for me. But that's why we have so many different guns to choose from! Variety is spicy and all that.
Az
4/6/2011 7:03:18 PM
Originally Posted By libra8:
Officer Pam, I'm curious why you would never own a 1911? Have you ever fired one? I don't want to assume. What do you have against the most popular .45 hand gun in history?
Originally Posted By Pam202a:
only reason I said its a 1911 style handgun is because I have never owned, nor ever will, a 1911 - it has a manual safety, hammer and profile of many 1911's - hence 1911 style handgun. If it did not have a hammer or a manual safety then it would be a glock style handgun.
Originally Posted By JRandyH:
I wouldn't consider it a 1911 style handgun in the least.
I wouldn't consider it a 1911 style handgun in the least.
only reason I said its a 1911 style handgun is because I have never owned, nor ever will, a 1911 - it has a manual safety, hammer and profile of many 1911's - hence 1911 style handgun. If it did not have a hammer or a manual safety then it would be a glock style handgun.
Officer Pam, I'm curious why you would never own a 1911? Have you ever fired one? I don't want to assume. What do you have against the most popular .45 hand gun in history?
lol, no need to be formal
I've fired them on many occasions and have never been "excited."
There are so many variations and that makes me sick. No two are the same so your perception of how a "1911" should fire is always changing, and that's not something I want to think about coming from my duty issued glock 17, which shot like every other glock 17, and will always.
Further more, I've never seen a 1911 go through a course of fire (say a competition or training) with some type of issue, from FTF's to other issues...one guy had a custom 1911 from sig, probably worth more than my entire setup that day, and he had ftfs constantly...
Aside from that, the price and the "mindset" people have with the 1911 is amazing to me. Sure they look cool, but last time I checked the way a gun looks can't kill anyone, and until it can I will stick to my ugly glock that will put 10rnds at 25y within an inch of each other, without reloading or FTF'ing for 1/4 the price of a 1911.
4/7/2011 7:48:08 AM
It's very possible I may be ordering one by this weekend.
What's FNH's warranty like?
What's FNH's warranty like?
4/7/2011 4:59:54 PM
http://www.fnhusa.com/le/faq.asp
"12 Q: How do I register my FNH USA firearm for warranty?
A: No warranty registration for your FNH USA firearm is required."
"12 Q: How do I register my FNH USA firearm for warranty?
A: No warranty registration for your FNH USA firearm is required."
4/7/2011 5:08:29 PM
Originally Posted By Andrapos:
http://www.fnhusa.com/le/faq.asp
"12 Q: How do I register my FNH USA firearm for warranty?
A: No warranty registration for your FNH USA firearm is required."
http://www.fnhusa.com/le/faq.asp
"12 Q: How do I register my FNH USA firearm for warranty?
A: No warranty registration for your FNH USA firearm is required."
So..... Does that mean there's an unlimited lifetime warranty like Hi-point?
4/7/2011 10:06:59 PM
I will put it this way....
I own a sig 9, usp 45, colt 1911 gold cup & 2 glocks.
After shooting my FN 45 tac just once I am selling all of the above except the glocks.
It's that good!
The FN is better than the glocks. I just can't part with the glocks they hold a special place in my favor.
I own a sig 9, usp 45, colt 1911 gold cup & 2 glocks.
After shooting my FN 45 tac just once I am selling all of the above except the glocks.
It's that good!
The FN is better than the glocks. I just can't part with the glocks they hold a special place in my favor.
4/7/2011 10:08:29 PM
Originally Posted By KyleDM5:
So..... Does that mean there's an unlimited lifetime warranty like Hi-point?
Originally Posted By Andrapos:
http://www.fnhusa.com/le/faq.asp
"12 Q: How do I register my FNH USA firearm for warranty?
A: No warranty registration for your FNH USA firearm is required."
http://www.fnhusa.com/le/faq.asp
"12 Q: How do I register my FNH USA firearm for warranty?
A: No warranty registration for your FNH USA firearm is required."
So..... Does that mean there's an unlimited lifetime warranty like Hi-point?
Yes Sir,One of the things I have heard is that they have spectacular customer service. That is another reason I bought my FNP .45 tactical
4/7/2011 10:23:18 PM
Anyone know what CDNN's price is on these? I see them in their catalog but too lazy to call.
4/7/2011 10:31:18 PM
Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Anyone know what CDNN's price is on these? I see them in their catalog but too lazy to call.
Anyone know what CDNN's price is on these? I see them in their catalog but too lazy to call.
I called yesterday. $979
4/8/2011 6:03:15 AM
that handgun is the shizzle... if i had the $ i'd love to have one
for detailed discussion, try the fn forum... http://www.fnforum.net/
they have a room for the fnp pistols
for detailed discussion, try the fn forum... http://www.fnforum.net/
they have a room for the fnp pistols
4/8/2011 7:33:05 PM
I am with you on the 1911. I have 3 of them but would never carry them. Two are old bullseye guns. I don't want a gun I have to remember to take the safey off in a firefight and I agree many have FTF issues. I do love my Sigs my new FN and my Nex XDM. I shot my FN again this morning and it impresses me the more I shoot it. Shot this at 50 feet this morning modified weaver.
JR
JR
4/9/2011 9:41:43 PM
Just picked mine up!
Goes well with my other FNP 45.
Goes well with my other FNP 45.
4/9/2011 10:26:29 PM
Welcome to the family.
They look great.
They look great.
5/9/2011 10:41:23 PM
Don't forget...after about 150-250 rds fired to send it back to have the trigger pin put back in.
I made it to 270rds before it came out. My son only made it to 100 rds on his. Real pain to
have to ship it back and forth.
I made it to 270rds before it came out. My son only made it to 100 rds on his. Real pain to
have to ship it back and forth.
5/10/2011 9:13:27 AM
Originally Posted By YukonCharlie:
Don't forget...after about 150-250 rds fired to send it back to have the trigger pin put back in.
I made it to 270rds before it came out. My son only made it to 100 rds on his. Real pain to
have to ship it back and forth.
Don't forget...after about 150-250 rds fired to send it back to have the trigger pin put back in.
I made it to 270rds before it came out. My son only made it to 100 rds on his. Real pain to
have to ship it back and forth.
That's odd. My Tactical has over 700 rounds through it and my regular FNP45 has over 400 rounds through it and I've not had any issues with the trigger pin. A handful of ejected cases in the face and one FTF but no other issues. Both have been great guns so far.
5/13/2011 12:47:39 AM
Originally Posted By Pam202a:
lol, no need to be formal
I've fired them on many occasions and have never been "excited."
There are so many variations and that makes me sick. No two are the same so your perception of how a "1911" should fire is always changing, and that's not something I want to think about coming from my duty issued glock 17, which shot like every other glock 17, and will always.
Further more, I've never seen a 1911 go through a course of fire (say a competition or training) with some type of issue, from FTF's to other issues...one guy had a custom 1911 from sig, probably worth more than my entire setup that day, and he had ftfs constantly...
Aside from that, the price and the "mindset" people have with the 1911 is amazing to me. Sure they look cool, but last time I checked the way a gun looks can't kill anyone, and until it can I will stick to my ugly glock that will put 10rnds at 25y within an inch of each other, without reloading or FTF'ing for 1/4 the price of a 1911.
Originally Posted By libra8:
Officer Pam, I'm curious why you would never own a 1911? Have you ever fired one? I don't want to assume. What do you have against the most popular .45 hand gun in history?
Originally Posted By Pam202a:
only reason I said its a 1911 style handgun is because I have never owned, nor ever will, a 1911 - it has a manual safety, hammer and profile of many 1911's - hence 1911 style handgun. If it did not have a hammer or a manual safety then it would be a glock style handgun.
Originally Posted By JRandyH:
I wouldn't consider it a 1911 style handgun in the least.
I wouldn't consider it a 1911 style handgun in the least.
only reason I said its a 1911 style handgun is because I have never owned, nor ever will, a 1911 - it has a manual safety, hammer and profile of many 1911's - hence 1911 style handgun. If it did not have a hammer or a manual safety then it would be a glock style handgun.
Officer Pam, I'm curious why you would never own a 1911? Have you ever fired one? I don't want to assume. What do you have against the most popular .45 hand gun in history?
lol, no need to be formal
I've fired them on many occasions and have never been "excited."
There are so many variations and that makes me sick. No two are the same so your perception of how a "1911" should fire is always changing, and that's not something I want to think about coming from my duty issued glock 17, which shot like every other glock 17, and will always.
Further more, I've never seen a 1911 go through a course of fire (say a competition or training) with some type of issue, from FTF's to other issues...one guy had a custom 1911 from sig, probably worth more than my entire setup that day, and he had ftfs constantly...
Aside from that, the price and the "mindset" people have with the 1911 is amazing to me. Sure they look cool, but last time I checked the way a gun looks can't kill anyone, and until it can I will stick to my ugly glock that will put 10rnds at 25y within an inch of each other, without reloading or FTF'ing for 1/4 the price of a 1911.
I have several 1911s including a Springfeild TRP which has a couple thousand rounds through it with nary a hicup. I run stainless Wilson Combat mags and 230 gr WWB hollow-points. It's my daily carry and I trust my life to it. (at least until my FNP Tac proves itself to me)/ I do training drills with it on a regular basis and still no issues.
But, hey....the TRP is just one model step down from the FBI HRT pistol. From Wiki:
When the team was founded, HRT Operators used the 9mm FN-Browning Hi-Power Mk 2 pistol, which was later supplemented by the 9mm SIG P226 pistol. In 1995, 250 .45 ACP Les Baer SRP Bureau pistols, built on a high-capacity Para-Ordnance frame, were acquired for use. After an official FBI Request for Proposal (RFP) in 1997, the HRT demanded their duty pistol meet additional, more stringent standards. Eight companies responded to the RFP. Each company submitted five pistols for testing. While all of the FBI's requirements were demanding, the most rigorous was accuracy. Chosen at random, two of the five guns had to shoot no more than 1.5 in (3.8 cm) at 25 yd (23 m) for three 10-shot groups from a Ransom Rest. Then the guns would be shot for 20,000 rounds in an endurance test, after which a second accuracy test would be conducted with no more than 15 percent degradation in accuracy being acceptable. The only pistol to meet the FBI's standards was Springfield Armory's 1911 pistol. Springfield's FBI contract pistol, known as "The Professional Model" is available to civilians at a cost close to $2595.00. As a form of quality control, the gunsmith building the pistol does not know if the firearm is going to be issued to an FBI agent or a private citizen.
Incidentally, should you ever take a notion to see who can put 10 rounds into the smallest group at 25 yds.....look me up.
5/13/2011 2:16:59 PM
Originally Posted By pcsutton:
I have several 1911s including a Springfeild TRP which has a couple thousand rounds through it with nary a hicup. I run stainless Wilson Combat mags and 230 gr WWB hollow-points. It's my daily carry and I trust my life to it. (at least until my FNP Tac proves itself to me)/ I do training drills with it on a regular basis and still no issues.
But, hey....the TRP is just one model step down from the FBI HRT pistol. From Wiki:
When the team was founded, HRT Operators used the 9mm FN-Browning Hi-Power Mk 2 pistol, which was later supplemented by the 9mm SIG P226 pistol. In 1995, 250 .45 ACP Les Baer SRP Bureau pistols, built on a high-capacity Para-Ordnance frame, were acquired for use. After an official FBI Request for Proposal (RFP) in 1997, the HRT demanded their duty pistol meet additional, more stringent standards. Eight companies responded to the RFP. Each company submitted five pistols for testing. While all of the FBI's requirements were demanding, the most rigorous was accuracy. Chosen at random, two of the five guns had to shoot no more than 1.5 in (3.8 cm) at 25 yd (23 m) for three 10-shot groups from a Ransom Rest. Then the guns would be shot for 20,000 rounds in an endurance test, after which a second accuracy test would be conducted with no more than 15 percent degradation in accuracy being acceptable. The only pistol to meet the FBI's standards was Springfield Armory's 1911 pistol. Springfield's FBI contract pistol, known as "The Professional Model" is available to civilians at a cost close to $2595.00. As a form of quality control, the gunsmith building the pistol does not know if the firearm is going to be issued to an FBI agent or a private citizen.
Incidentally, should you ever take a notion to see who can put 10 rounds into the smallest group at 25 yds.....look me up.
Originally Posted By Pam202a:
lol, no need to be formal
I've fired them on many occasions and have never been "excited."
There are so many variations and that makes me sick. No two are the same so your perception of how a "1911" should fire is always changing, and that's not something I want to think about coming from my duty issued glock 17, which shot like every other glock 17, and will always.
Further more, I've never seen a 1911 go through a course of fire (say a competition or training) with some type of issue, from FTF's to other issues...one guy had a custom 1911 from sig, probably worth more than my entire setup that day, and he had ftfs constantly...
Aside from that, the price and the "mindset" people have with the 1911 is amazing to me. Sure they look cool, but last time I checked the way a gun looks can't kill anyone, and until it can I will stick to my ugly glock that will put 10rnds at 25y within an inch of each other, without reloading or FTF'ing for 1/4 the price of a 1911.
Originally Posted By libra8:
Officer Pam, I'm curious why you would never own a 1911? Have you ever fired one? I don't want to assume. What do you have against the most popular .45 hand gun in history?
Originally Posted By Pam202a:
only reason I said its a 1911 style handgun is because I have never owned, nor ever will, a 1911 - it has a manual safety, hammer and profile of many 1911's - hence 1911 style handgun. If it did not have a hammer or a manual safety then it would be a glock style handgun.
Originally Posted By JRandyH:
I wouldn't consider it a 1911 style handgun in the least.
I wouldn't consider it a 1911 style handgun in the least.
only reason I said its a 1911 style handgun is because I have never owned, nor ever will, a 1911 - it has a manual safety, hammer and profile of many 1911's - hence 1911 style handgun. If it did not have a hammer or a manual safety then it would be a glock style handgun.
Officer Pam, I'm curious why you would never own a 1911? Have you ever fired one? I don't want to assume. What do you have against the most popular .45 hand gun in history?
lol, no need to be formal
I've fired them on many occasions and have never been "excited."
There are so many variations and that makes me sick. No two are the same so your perception of how a "1911" should fire is always changing, and that's not something I want to think about coming from my duty issued glock 17, which shot like every other glock 17, and will always.
Further more, I've never seen a 1911 go through a course of fire (say a competition or training) with some type of issue, from FTF's to other issues...one guy had a custom 1911 from sig, probably worth more than my entire setup that day, and he had ftfs constantly...
Aside from that, the price and the "mindset" people have with the 1911 is amazing to me. Sure they look cool, but last time I checked the way a gun looks can't kill anyone, and until it can I will stick to my ugly glock that will put 10rnds at 25y within an inch of each other, without reloading or FTF'ing for 1/4 the price of a 1911.
I have several 1911s including a Springfeild TRP which has a couple thousand rounds through it with nary a hicup. I run stainless Wilson Combat mags and 230 gr WWB hollow-points. It's my daily carry and I trust my life to it. (at least until my FNP Tac proves itself to me)/ I do training drills with it on a regular basis and still no issues.
But, hey....the TRP is just one model step down from the FBI HRT pistol. From Wiki:
When the team was founded, HRT Operators used the 9mm FN-Browning Hi-Power Mk 2 pistol, which was later supplemented by the 9mm SIG P226 pistol. In 1995, 250 .45 ACP Les Baer SRP Bureau pistols, built on a high-capacity Para-Ordnance frame, were acquired for use. After an official FBI Request for Proposal (RFP) in 1997, the HRT demanded their duty pistol meet additional, more stringent standards. Eight companies responded to the RFP. Each company submitted five pistols for testing. While all of the FBI's requirements were demanding, the most rigorous was accuracy. Chosen at random, two of the five guns had to shoot no more than 1.5 in (3.8 cm) at 25 yd (23 m) for three 10-shot groups from a Ransom Rest. Then the guns would be shot for 20,000 rounds in an endurance test, after which a second accuracy test would be conducted with no more than 15 percent degradation in accuracy being acceptable. The only pistol to meet the FBI's standards was Springfield Armory's 1911 pistol. Springfield's FBI contract pistol, known as "The Professional Model" is available to civilians at a cost close to $2595.00. As a form of quality control, the gunsmith building the pistol does not know if the firearm is going to be issued to an FBI agent or a private citizen.
Incidentally, should you ever take a notion to see who can put 10 rounds into the smallest group at 25 yds.....look me up.
Not that I do not believe you or the content, I do not trust wiki at all. Sure its a great base for knowledge and all that but reality has many times proved to be different.
As I stated in every single training/tactical/shoot/match I have attended someone with a 1911 has had a problem. Sure other guns have had problems too (mostly if people were new to shooting) - but the 1911 has always showed an issue with this in my personal experience. I know a local township that runs S&W 1911 for on duty use. I went to a training course with them - they had nothing but problems mid-way through, the guns could not sustain constant and repeated long-fire drills. My g21sf had no problems, at all, under any circumstance or condition. I know of many operators (.mil/contractors) that dumped their issued 1911 for glocks, FNs, MP, etc....I don't want this to turn into a VS. 1911 thread - god knows this forum needs another one of them so I am just stating from personal experience which is of course my opinion and anyone on here is more than welcome to come with me to an event or shoot and see the same thing happen over and over.
Also, IMHO to make the fnp 45 tac better, if they took off the safety all together and just gave it a decocker button/lever - that would be awesome.
5/15/2011 9:10:52 PM
Originally Posted By ROCK15t:
Yes Sir,One of the things I have heard is that they have spectacular customer service. That is another reason I bought my FNP .45 tactical
Originally Posted By KyleDM5:
So..... Does that mean there's an unlimited lifetime warranty like Hi-point?
Originally Posted By Andrapos:
http://www.fnhusa.com/le/faq.asp
"12 Q: How do I register my FNH USA firearm for warranty?
A: No warranty registration for your FNH USA firearm is required."
http://www.fnhusa.com/le/faq.asp
"12 Q: How do I register my FNH USA firearm for warranty?
A: No warranty registration for your FNH USA firearm is required."
So..... Does that mean there's an unlimited lifetime warranty like Hi-point?
Yes Sir,One of the things I have heard is that they have spectacular customer service. That is another reason I bought my FNP .45 tactical
+1
5/17/2011 12:43:29 AM
Originally Posted By Pam202a:
Not that I do not believe you or the content, I do not trust wiki at all. Sure its a great base for knowledge and all that but reality has many times proved to be different.
As I stated in every single training/tactical/shoot/match I have attended someone with a 1911 has had a problem. Sure other guns have had problems too (mostly if people were new to shooting) - but the 1911 has always showed an issue with this in my personal experience. I know a local township that runs S&W 1911 for on duty use. I went to a training course with them - they had nothing but problems mid-way through, the guns could not sustain constant and repeated long-fire drills. My g21sf had no problems, at all, under any circumstance or condition. I know of many operators (.mil/contractors) that dumped their issued 1911 for glocks, FNs, MP, etc....I don't want this to turn into a VS. 1911 thread - god knows this forum needs another one of them so I am just stating from personal experience which is of course my opinion and anyone on here is more than welcome to come with me to an event or shoot and see the same thing happen over and over.
Also, IMHO to make the fnp 45 tac better, if they took off the safety all together and just gave it a decocker button/lever - that would be awesome.
Originally Posted By pcsutton:
I have several 1911s including a Springfeild TRP which has a couple thousand rounds through it with nary a hicup. I run stainless Wilson Combat mags and 230 gr WWB hollow-points. It's my daily carry and I trust my life to it. (at least until my FNP Tac proves itself to me)/ I do training drills with it on a regular basis and still no issues.
But, hey....the TRP is just one model step down from the FBI HRT pistol. From Wiki:
When the team was founded, HRT Operators used the 9mm FN-Browning Hi-Power Mk 2 pistol, which was later supplemented by the 9mm SIG P226 pistol. In 1995, 250 .45 ACP Les Baer SRP Bureau pistols, built on a high-capacity Para-Ordnance frame, were acquired for use. After an official FBI Request for Proposal (RFP) in 1997, the HRT demanded their duty pistol meet additional, more stringent standards. Eight companies responded to the RFP. Each company submitted five pistols for testing. While all of the FBI's requirements were demanding, the most rigorous was accuracy. Chosen at random, two of the five guns had to shoot no more than 1.5 in (3.8 cm) at 25 yd (23 m) for three 10-shot groups from a Ransom Rest. Then the guns would be shot for 20,000 rounds in an endurance test, after which a second accuracy test would be conducted with no more than 15 percent degradation in accuracy being acceptable. The only pistol to meet the FBI's standards was Springfield Armory's 1911 pistol. Springfield's FBI contract pistol, known as "The Professional Model" is available to civilians at a cost close to $2595.00. As a form of quality control, the gunsmith building the pistol does not know if the firearm is going to be issued to an FBI agent or a private citizen.
Incidentally, should you ever take a notion to see who can put 10 rounds into the smallest group at 25 yds.....look me up.
Originally Posted By Pam202a:
lol, no need to be formal
I've fired them on many occasions and have never been "excited."
There are so many variations and that makes me sick. No two are the same so your perception of how a "1911" should fire is always changing, and that's not something I want to think about coming from my duty issued glock 17, which shot like every other glock 17, and will always.
Further more, I've never seen a 1911 go through a course of fire (say a competition or training) with some type of issue, from FTF's to other issues...one guy had a custom 1911 from sig, probably worth more than my entire setup that day, and he had ftfs constantly...
Aside from that, the price and the "mindset" people have with the 1911 is amazing to me. Sure they look cool, but last time I checked the way a gun looks can't kill anyone, and until it can I will stick to my ugly glock that will put 10rnds at 25y within an inch of each other, without reloading or FTF'ing for 1/4 the price of a 1911.
Originally Posted By libra8:
Officer Pam, I'm curious why you would never own a 1911? Have you ever fired one? I don't want to assume. What do you have against the most popular .45 hand gun in history?
Originally Posted By Pam202a:
only reason I said its a 1911 style handgun is because I have never owned, nor ever will, a 1911 - it has a manual safety, hammer and profile of many 1911's - hence 1911 style handgun. If it did not have a hammer or a manual safety then it would be a glock style handgun.
Originally Posted By JRandyH:
I wouldn't consider it a 1911 style handgun in the least.
I wouldn't consider it a 1911 style handgun in the least.
only reason I said its a 1911 style handgun is because I have never owned, nor ever will, a 1911 - it has a manual safety, hammer and profile of many 1911's - hence 1911 style handgun. If it did not have a hammer or a manual safety then it would be a glock style handgun.
Officer Pam, I'm curious why you would never own a 1911? Have you ever fired one? I don't want to assume. What do you have against the most popular .45 hand gun in history?
lol, no need to be formal
I've fired them on many occasions and have never been "excited."
There are so many variations and that makes me sick. No two are the same so your perception of how a "1911" should fire is always changing, and that's not something I want to think about coming from my duty issued glock 17, which shot like every other glock 17, and will always.
Further more, I've never seen a 1911 go through a course of fire (say a competition or training) with some type of issue, from FTF's to other issues...one guy had a custom 1911 from sig, probably worth more than my entire setup that day, and he had ftfs constantly...
Aside from that, the price and the "mindset" people have with the 1911 is amazing to me. Sure they look cool, but last time I checked the way a gun looks can't kill anyone, and until it can I will stick to my ugly glock that will put 10rnds at 25y within an inch of each other, without reloading or FTF'ing for 1/4 the price of a 1911.
I have several 1911s including a Springfeild TRP which has a couple thousand rounds through it with nary a hicup. I run stainless Wilson Combat mags and 230 gr WWB hollow-points. It's my daily carry and I trust my life to it. (at least until my FNP Tac proves itself to me)/ I do training drills with it on a regular basis and still no issues.
But, hey....the TRP is just one model step down from the FBI HRT pistol. From Wiki:
When the team was founded, HRT Operators used the 9mm FN-Browning Hi-Power Mk 2 pistol, which was later supplemented by the 9mm SIG P226 pistol. In 1995, 250 .45 ACP Les Baer SRP Bureau pistols, built on a high-capacity Para-Ordnance frame, were acquired for use. After an official FBI Request for Proposal (RFP) in 1997, the HRT demanded their duty pistol meet additional, more stringent standards. Eight companies responded to the RFP. Each company submitted five pistols for testing. While all of the FBI's requirements were demanding, the most rigorous was accuracy. Chosen at random, two of the five guns had to shoot no more than 1.5 in (3.8 cm) at 25 yd (23 m) for three 10-shot groups from a Ransom Rest. Then the guns would be shot for 20,000 rounds in an endurance test, after which a second accuracy test would be conducted with no more than 15 percent degradation in accuracy being acceptable. The only pistol to meet the FBI's standards was Springfield Armory's 1911 pistol. Springfield's FBI contract pistol, known as "The Professional Model" is available to civilians at a cost close to $2595.00. As a form of quality control, the gunsmith building the pistol does not know if the firearm is going to be issued to an FBI agent or a private citizen.
Incidentally, should you ever take a notion to see who can put 10 rounds into the smallest group at 25 yds.....look me up.
Not that I do not believe you or the content, I do not trust wiki at all. Sure its a great base for knowledge and all that but reality has many times proved to be different.
As I stated in every single training/tactical/shoot/match I have attended someone with a 1911 has had a problem. Sure other guns have had problems too (mostly if people were new to shooting) - but the 1911 has always showed an issue with this in my personal experience. I know a local township that runs S&W 1911 for on duty use. I went to a training course with them - they had nothing but problems mid-way through, the guns could not sustain constant and repeated long-fire drills. My g21sf had no problems, at all, under any circumstance or condition. I know of many operators (.mil/contractors) that dumped their issued 1911 for glocks, FNs, MP, etc....I don't want this to turn into a VS. 1911 thread - god knows this forum needs another one of them so I am just stating from personal experience which is of course my opinion and anyone on here is more than welcome to come with me to an event or shoot and see the same thing happen over and over.
Also, IMHO to make the fnp 45 tac better, if they took off the safety all together and just gave it a decocker button/lever - that would be awesome.
The safety is also a decocker.
Push it the other way. Works like a beretta, but the lever is where it belongs.
Also, how did 1911's enter the argument?
. The TRP is there because some high up police brass has a harden for nostalgia, not because of performance. There are command level cops out there that would make the case for the procurement of tommy guns and BARs if they could get away with it. (no surprise there are tons of post samples moving around that would further suggest that this is true.
5/17/2011 7:51:53 AM
Originally Posted By DanTSX:
The safety is also a decocker.
Push it the other way. Works like a beretta, but the lever is where it belongs.
Also, how did 1911's enter the argument?. The TRP is there because some high up police brass has a harden for nostalgia, not because of performance. There are command level cops out there that would make the case for the procurement of tho peons and BARs if they could get away with it. (no surprise there are tons of post samples moving around that would further suggest that this is true.
Originally Posted By Pam202a:
Not that I do not believe you or the content, I do not trust wiki at all. Sure its a great base for knowledge and all that but reality has many times proved to be different.
As I stated in every single training/tactical/shoot/match I have attended someone with a 1911 has had a problem. Sure other guns have had problems too (mostly if people were new to shooting) - but the 1911 has always showed an issue with this in my personal experience. I know a local township that runs S&W 1911 for on duty use. I went to a training course with them - they had nothing but problems mid-way through, the guns could not sustain constant and repeated long-fire drills. My g21sf had no problems, at all, under any circumstance or condition. I know of many operators (.mil/contractors) that dumped their issued 1911 for glocks, FNs, MP, etc....I don't want this to turn into a VS. 1911 thread - god knows this forum needs another one of them so I am just stating from personal experience which is of course my opinion and anyone on here is more than welcome to come with me to an event or shoot and see the same thing happen over and over.
Also, IMHO to make the fnp 45 tac better, if they took off the safety all together and just gave it a decocker button/lever - that would be awesome.
Originally Posted By pcsutton:
I have several 1911s including a Springfeild TRP which has a couple thousand rounds through it with nary a hicup. I run stainless Wilson Combat mags and 230 gr WWB hollow-points. It's my daily carry and I trust my life to it. (at least until my FNP Tac proves itself to me)/ I do training drills with it on a regular basis and still no issues.
But, hey....the TRP is just one model step down from the FBI HRT pistol. From Wiki:
When the team was founded, HRT Operators used the 9mm FN-Browning Hi-Power Mk 2 pistol, which was later supplemented by the 9mm SIG P226 pistol. In 1995, 250 .45 ACP Les Baer SRP Bureau pistols, built on a high-capacity Para-Ordnance frame, were acquired for use. After an official FBI Request for Proposal (RFP) in 1997, the HRT demanded their duty pistol meet additional, more stringent standards. Eight companies responded to the RFP. Each company submitted five pistols for testing. While all of the FBI's requirements were demanding, the most rigorous was accuracy. Chosen at random, two of the five guns had to shoot no more than 1.5 in (3.8 cm) at 25 yd (23 m) for three 10-shot groups from a Ransom Rest. Then the guns would be shot for 20,000 rounds in an endurance test, after which a second accuracy test would be conducted with no more than 15 percent degradation in accuracy being acceptable. The only pistol to meet the FBI's standards was Springfield Armory's 1911 pistol. Springfield's FBI contract pistol, known as "The Professional Model" is available to civilians at a cost close to $2595.00. As a form of quality control, the gunsmith building the pistol does not know if the firearm is going to be issued to an FBI agent or a private citizen.
Incidentally, should you ever take a notion to see who can put 10 rounds into the smallest group at 25 yds.....look me up.
Originally Posted By Pam202a:
lol, no need to be formal
I've fired them on many occasions and have never been "excited."
There are so many variations and that makes me sick. No two are the same so your perception of how a "1911" should fire is always changing, and that's not something I want to think about coming from my duty issued glock 17, which shot like every other glock 17, and will always.
Further more, I've never seen a 1911 go through a course of fire (say a competition or training) with some type of issue, from FTF's to other issues...one guy had a custom 1911 from sig, probably worth more than my entire setup that day, and he had ftfs constantly...
Aside from that, the price and the "mindset" people have with the 1911 is amazing to me. Sure they look cool, but last time I checked the way a gun looks can't kill anyone, and until it can I will stick to my ugly glock that will put 10rnds at 25y within an inch of each other, without reloading or FTF'ing for 1/4 the price of a 1911.
Originally Posted By libra8:
Officer Pam, I'm curious why you would never own a 1911? Have you ever fired one? I don't want to assume. What do you have against the most popular .45 hand gun in history?
Originally Posted By Pam202a:
only reason I said its a 1911 style handgun is because I have never owned, nor ever will, a 1911 - it has a manual safety, hammer and profile of many 1911's - hence 1911 style handgun. If it did not have a hammer or a manual safety then it would be a glock style handgun.
Originally Posted By JRandyH:
I wouldn't consider it a 1911 style handgun in the least.
I wouldn't consider it a 1911 style handgun in the least.
only reason I said its a 1911 style handgun is because I have never owned, nor ever will, a 1911 - it has a manual safety, hammer and profile of many 1911's - hence 1911 style handgun. If it did not have a hammer or a manual safety then it would be a glock style handgun.
Officer Pam, I'm curious why you would never own a 1911? Have you ever fired one? I don't want to assume. What do you have against the most popular .45 hand gun in history?
lol, no need to be formal
I've fired them on many occasions and have never been "excited."
There are so many variations and that makes me sick. No two are the same so your perception of how a "1911" should fire is always changing, and that's not something I want to think about coming from my duty issued glock 17, which shot like every other glock 17, and will always.
Further more, I've never seen a 1911 go through a course of fire (say a competition or training) with some type of issue, from FTF's to other issues...one guy had a custom 1911 from sig, probably worth more than my entire setup that day, and he had ftfs constantly...
Aside from that, the price and the "mindset" people have with the 1911 is amazing to me. Sure they look cool, but last time I checked the way a gun looks can't kill anyone, and until it can I will stick to my ugly glock that will put 10rnds at 25y within an inch of each other, without reloading or FTF'ing for 1/4 the price of a 1911.
I have several 1911s including a Springfeild TRP which has a couple thousand rounds through it with nary a hicup. I run stainless Wilson Combat mags and 230 gr WWB hollow-points. It's my daily carry and I trust my life to it. (at least until my FNP Tac proves itself to me)/ I do training drills with it on a regular basis and still no issues.
But, hey....the TRP is just one model step down from the FBI HRT pistol. From Wiki:
When the team was founded, HRT Operators used the 9mm FN-Browning Hi-Power Mk 2 pistol, which was later supplemented by the 9mm SIG P226 pistol. In 1995, 250 .45 ACP Les Baer SRP Bureau pistols, built on a high-capacity Para-Ordnance frame, were acquired for use. After an official FBI Request for Proposal (RFP) in 1997, the HRT demanded their duty pistol meet additional, more stringent standards. Eight companies responded to the RFP. Each company submitted five pistols for testing. While all of the FBI's requirements were demanding, the most rigorous was accuracy. Chosen at random, two of the five guns had to shoot no more than 1.5 in (3.8 cm) at 25 yd (23 m) for three 10-shot groups from a Ransom Rest. Then the guns would be shot for 20,000 rounds in an endurance test, after which a second accuracy test would be conducted with no more than 15 percent degradation in accuracy being acceptable. The only pistol to meet the FBI's standards was Springfield Armory's 1911 pistol. Springfield's FBI contract pistol, known as "The Professional Model" is available to civilians at a cost close to $2595.00. As a form of quality control, the gunsmith building the pistol does not know if the firearm is going to be issued to an FBI agent or a private citizen.
Incidentally, should you ever take a notion to see who can put 10 rounds into the smallest group at 25 yds.....look me up.
Not that I do not believe you or the content, I do not trust wiki at all. Sure its a great base for knowledge and all that but reality has many times proved to be different.
As I stated in every single training/tactical/shoot/match I have attended someone with a 1911 has had a problem. Sure other guns have had problems too (mostly if people were new to shooting) - but the 1911 has always showed an issue with this in my personal experience. I know a local township that runs S&W 1911 for on duty use. I went to a training course with them - they had nothing but problems mid-way through, the guns could not sustain constant and repeated long-fire drills. My g21sf had no problems, at all, under any circumstance or condition. I know of many operators (.mil/contractors) that dumped their issued 1911 for glocks, FNs, MP, etc....I don't want this to turn into a VS. 1911 thread - god knows this forum needs another one of them so I am just stating from personal experience which is of course my opinion and anyone on here is more than welcome to come with me to an event or shoot and see the same thing happen over and over.
Also, IMHO to make the fnp 45 tac better, if they took off the safety all together and just gave it a decocker button/lever - that would be awesome.
The safety is also a decocker.
Push it the other way. Works like a beretta, but the lever is where it belongs.
Also, how did 1911's enter the argument?
. The TRP is there because some high up police brass has a harden for nostalgia, not because of performance. There are command level cops out there that would make the case for the procurement of tho peons and BARs if they could get away with it. (no surprise there are tons of post samples moving around that would further suggest that this is true.
I dislike the beretta also...anything with a safety annoys me.
I likened 1911's to this gun since this is a 1911-style gun IMHO.
lol police brass...what a waste of space...
5/17/2011 7:54:07 AM
c'mon now...sometimes someone who still thinks right gets promoted... (said the guy who got promoted and might be fooling himself that he still knows what's going on...)...
...by the way...you can ignore the safety on the FNP45 Tactical and just use the lever as a decocker if that's your preference...or cockeced and locked...or traditional double action with a thumb safety or...
Bill
(said the guy who got promoted and might be fooling himself that he still knows what's going on...)...
...by the way...you can ignore the safety on the FNP45 Tactical and just use the lever as a decocker if that's your preference...or cockeced and locked...or traditional double action with a thumb safety or...
Bill
5/17/2011 9:18:26 PM
Originally Posted By silversport:
c'mon now...sometimes someone who still thinks right gets promoted... (said the guy who got promoted and might be fooling himself that he still knows what's going on...)...
...by the way...you can ignore the safety on the FNP45 Tactical and just use the lever as a decocker if that's your preference...or cockeced and locked...or traditional double action with a thumb safety or...
Bill
c'mon now...sometimes someone who still thinks right gets promoted...
(said the guy who got promoted and might be fooling himself that he still knows what's going on...)...
...by the way...you can ignore the safety on the FNP45 Tactical and just use the lever as a decocker if that's your preference...or cockeced and locked...or traditional double action with a thumb safety or...
Bill
You must be one of the better ones...I've had some good supervisors...and I've had some...well...I don't want to give them the title because they shouldn't have been wearing a uniform let alone having a gun.
The safety on the gun is as all things are when they come standard on a firearm and disliked by the operator....a training issue...
5/18/2011 7:27:26 AM
sadly what you say is so true...some of the things I hear as Gospel from those that make policy...
...stay safe...
Bill
...stay safe...
Bill
5/24/2011 8:33:36 PM
Just got back from the range, Ready Aim Fire. My FN 45 tac ran flawlessly except for the crappy Fiocchi ammo. I had several primer hits with no bang. Good thing I bought it form a friend who quit shooting and I didn't pay much for it. I'm also questioning the benefit of the Trijicon red dot. It seems to take longer to acquire the target than with open sights. On a positive note recoil is minimal and accuracy is good. Forgot to mention on at least 2 occasions the recoil caused my thumb to engage the safety. Has anyone else had this happen?
5/25/2011 7:49:21 AM
I have never accidentally engaged the safety but I am a Southpaw (if that makes a difference)...I have found it a bit uncomfortable to shoot a lot of rounds through my Tac as the thumb joint makes contact with the safety/decocker pivot point but that is after a lot of rounds and may just need me to make an adjustment...
I find the red dot fine but it is a bit different than what most of us are used to with the standard type sight picture...as for accuracy, the red dot and precision work...it is very nice...YMMV but for quick, put your dot on the bad guy work...it is quick...
Bill
I find the red dot fine but it is a bit different than what most of us are used to with the standard type sight picture...as for accuracy, the red dot and precision work...it is very nice...YMMV but for quick, put your dot on the bad guy work...it is quick...
Bill
5/26/2011 11:07:20 PM
I love mine. It is now my 3-gun match pistol as well as my HD gun. With suppressor, TLR1 light, and dual illumination Trijicon RMR it is perfect for HD. I like the fact that if I ever have to touch off a round in my house for HD, I won't go deaf or be too distracted by muzzle flash as it is pretty much non-existant with the suppressor. The AAC TiRant is umbeleavable. Super lightweight and hearing safe (dry) indoors.
MadDog
MadDog
5/27/2011 8:29:27 PM
I'd love to be able to shoot without hearing protection. But alas, I live in PRNJ. In this day and age can't someone come up with a suppressor that is not 8+ inches long?
5/29/2011 8:27:00 AM
Originally Posted By M1-Matt:
Just picked mine up!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v367/M1-Matt/Toys/Picture369.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v367/M1-Matt/Toys/Picture374.jpg
Goes well with my other FNP 45.
Just picked mine up!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v367/M1-Matt/Toys/Picture369.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v367/M1-Matt/Toys/Picture374.jpg
Goes well with my other FNP 45.
5/29/2011 1:10:06 PM
Originally Posted By libra8:
I'd love to be able to shoot without hearing protection. But alas, I live in PRNJ. In this day and age can't someone come up with a suppressor that is not 8+ inches long?
I'd love to be able to shoot without hearing protection. But alas, I live in PRNJ. In this day and age can't someone come up with a suppressor that is not 8+ inches long?
1. Because suppressor technology hasn't changed all that much
2. Because .45 has a massive diameter in regards to being suppressible, forcing the volume and length to be enlarged to make the suppressor work better.
I shot an FNP45T with an old CCF Impuls IIa and a Gemtech Blackside and they were both hearing safe by a longshot.
5/30/2011 12:56:05 AM
I sure like the full size of this and the ammo capacity. Its one of the few weapons I like better in FDE than black. Might have to rethink the Ruger SR1911 I want...
5/30/2011 8:36:48 AM
Originally Posted By crag_dt:
I sure like the full size of this and the ammo capacity. Its one of the few weapons I like better in FDE than black. Might have to rethink the Ruger SR1911 I want...
I sure like the full size of this and the ammo capacity. Its one of the few weapons I like better in FDE than black. Might have to rethink the Ruger SR1911 I want...
Get both. Just do it!
5/30/2011 11:29:19 AM
action shot
6/2/2011 9:35:08 AM
Except for the 1911 sidetrack here, the good reviews have me headed to the gunshop for the tac. It will.go well with the Ps90, FN SLP, and Scar Heavy.
6/4/2011 9:03:47 PM
Really like mine, great gun no real complaints. The red dot set up works fantastic because the irons are always there for reference point. Only minor things, the thumb safety does get in the way of a high grip. I shaved the edge off of my safety on the left side and it feels just fine now. Also the bottom rail doesn't hold a zero that well, found that out when I mounted the laser.
6/5/2011 6:50:02 PM
that black is sexy!
wana trade?
wana trade?
6/6/2011 10:34:03 PM
What is a good price for buying one of these with everything it came with new, and a burris fastfire II? It has been used, but has a pretty low round count. thanks!
6/7/2011 8:29:17 AM
Originally Posted By connorh:
What is a good price for buying one of these with everything it came with new, and a burris fastfire II? It has been used, but has a pretty low round count. thanks!
What is a good price for buying one of these with everything it came with new, and a burris fastfire II? It has been used, but has a pretty low round count. thanks!
Are you asking what they sell for used?
I've seen $850 - $900 on several complete used FNP45 Tacs.
I'm not sure what the addition of a used optic would add, but I wouldn't give more than 50-60% of it's original value if part of a larger purchase.
On the other end of the spectrum I've seen new FNP-45 Tacs completely fitted out by CIII dealers as a package with silencer, mRDS, and light/LAM in $2,000+ range. Obviously makes sense as a good silencer, X400, and Trijicon RDS can add up quick.
6/9/2011 9:19:20 PM
also depends on color. I think the FDE ones sell a little higher than the blacks and stainless. A burris fast fire 2 brand new is 225-250. Brand new Tac is 1000 easy. I'd say <1000 and your getting a pretty decent deal
