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 Auto-Ordnance "General" Feeding Problems
HammerMan69  [Member]
8/18/2005 3:45:36 PM
My question regards the Auto-Ordnance copy of the Colt Commander, the General, which a close friend of mine owns.
This particular gun was purchased new back in 1995, and I am told has had feeding problems from the get-go. I have personally witnessed two types of feeding problems with it. On occasion, it will fail to load the first round out of thwe magazine, with the slide stopping about half-way. Secondly, it sometimes fails to feed the last round in the magazine (and this is with both 7- and 8-rounders).

Several different brands of magazine have been tried, all with similar results. It exhibits the same problems with the stock mag, Chip McCormick "shooting star" mags, and the Wilson Combat 8-rounders. This shows them as having a solid recoil guide assembly.

My question regards whether or not a solid recoil guide will correct one or both of these problems. When firing it, sometimes it seems as though the slide binds a bit upon its backward movement.

I read in the second volume of Kuhnhausen that the U.S. military issued a limited number 1911 pistols with this length of slide and barrel (the M15, General Officers Model; Kuhnhausen Vol. II, p.136, fig. 124).

Does anyone else have any experience with this particular Auto-Ordnance model? If so, have you experienced any similar problems? If yes again, were you able to fix ? How?

If it was my gun, I'd try one of the Wilson recoil guides sold by Brownell's, but my friend desires a second opinion. Please help.


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mcmoyer  [Team Member]
8/18/2005 6:11:53 PM
I've also got a friend who has an older AO (full-size) that he bought a long time ago & hasn't tried out until recently. Problem city! With his, the slide would not go fully back into battery after firing it & you had to slap the back of the slide everytime to get it to go the last 1/16-1/8". The slide was hard to get back by hand, for that matter.

I finally talked him into leaving it at my place & I've had it apart to check it out. On his, the barrel lug has a rough ride in the channel in the slide that it fits in...it's a TIGHT fit. I took my Colt apart for comparison & the lug slides smoothly into the channel.

I smoothed out some of the rough spots on the side of the lug on his & it operates a LOT smoother when operating the slide by hand. I'm going to put some rounds through it this weekend & see how she runs now. I'll let you know how it goes.

Looking at the guts on those AOs gives me a lot better appreciation for my Colt.

fxntime  [Team Member]
8/18/2005 11:31:15 PM
No guide rod!!!! It's not the problem and it's a waste of money. Take the gun apart, [EMPTY GUN warning here] leave the BBL, recoil spring and plug off and see how the frame and slide mate and if it's easy to work back and forth. If it binds then you have found the problem. If not then check the extractor tension, see if it is too tight. If it is adjust it. If not replace the recoil spring, it could be weak and worn out [I don't care if it is new get a GOOD one from wolff. 16 lb. If it still does not work, tell him congrats to the world of Auto Ordinance and have him take it to a 1911 smith to check the BBL fit, chamber, and if it specs out OK. Or get rid of it and buy another make. I've been there, done that, and wasted a crapload of money on a POS couple hundred dollar gun. [AO] Seriously, I have seen AOs either run or never run right ever. Years ago they were POS guns with poor specs and sloppy machining.
fxntime  [Team Member]
8/18/2005 11:33:22 PM
No guide rod!!!! It's not the problem and it's a waste of money. Take the gun apart, [EMPTY GUN warning here] leave the BBL, recoil spring and plug off and see how the frame and slide mate and if it's easy to work back and forth. If it binds then you have found the problem. If not then check the extractor tension, see if it is too tight. If it is adjust it. If not replace the recoil spring, it could be weak and worn out [I don't care if it is new get a GOOD one from wolff.. If it still does not work, tell him congrats to the world of Auto Ordinance and have him take it to a 1911 smith to check the BBL fit, chamber, and if it specs out OK. Or get rid of it and buy another make. I've been there, done that, and wasted a crapload of money on a POS couple hundred dollar gun. [AO] Seriously, I have seen AOs either run or never run right ever. Years ago they were POS guns with poor specs and sloppy machining. Also check to see if it is binding on a tight out of spec disconector.
GUNGUY1911  [Team Member]
8/19/2005 2:20:30 AM
I had an AO for a very short time(cause I got it real cheap), couldn't pay it to work! After several misspent $$'s, I gave up on it. My brother has two, one has never had a hitch, the other may as well be a paper weight!
(Sorry, just not real fond of AO pistols)
Dano523  [Member]
8/19/2005 3:56:06 AM
Action job time,

Tune the extractor, barrel lip section, and the breach face to insure a clean feed.

Second, change out the recoil spring to a new, correct tension unit (half the problem with the stove pipe jam).

Third, check/replace the mag springs or whole mags since the AO units are not tuned( half the problem with the feed deal, and half the problem with the last round being danced out of the mag deal(read stove pipe).
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