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3/5/2012 12:52:26 PM
For those of you who carry a 1911, how many spare mags do you carry along with it?
I usually carry my 1911 7+1, and will be carrying 8-round Trip Cobra mags as spares. What I don't know though, is how many spares I should carry.
I'm not going to get into a debate about WHY carry extra mags, as I know there are multiple reasons and such. My question is HOW MANY I should carry.
Any and all opinions will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
I usually carry my 1911 7+1, and will be carrying 8-round Trip Cobra mags as spares. What I don't know though, is how many spares I should carry.
I'm not going to get into a debate about WHY carry extra mags, as I know there are multiple reasons and such. My question is HOW MANY I should carry.
Any and all opinions will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
3/5/2012 12:58:33 PM
Carry as much as you can reasonably carry. I carry one spare on my pocket other on my belt and two in my bag.
Your mileage may vary.
Your mileage may vary.
3/5/2012 1:11:46 PM
I go 8+1 with a Wilson Combat 10 rounder in my pocket.
3/5/2012 1:21:25 PM
I carry 2 in a double mag pouch when wearing a coat.
In TX summers, it is 3 in a fanny pack carry(I live in Austin so a fanny pack does not stand out) or four mags in a photog vest.
The vest came from Sears and has 4 double length film can pouches for 8 rolls of films. All film pouches are just long enough to hold full size mags. I wish sears still sold these vests.
In TX summers, it is 3 in a fanny pack carry(I live in Austin so a fanny pack does not stand out) or four mags in a photog vest.
The vest came from Sears and has 4 double length film can pouches for 8 rolls of films. All film pouches are just long enough to hold full size mags. I wish sears still sold these vests.
3/5/2012 1:21:43 PM
8+1 in the gun and at least one 8rd magazine extra.
2 times when you can have to much ammo.
On fire or swiming.
2 times when you can have to much ammo.
On fire or swiming.
3/5/2012 1:23:31 PM
8 round Cobra Mag +1 in the Pro and two (8 round Cobra) spares.
3/5/2012 1:30:10 PM
I carry just the gun so 7+1. I don't anticipate a crazed gang getting me. I figure if for some reason there are multiple bad guys, after the first one gets hit the others will realize it's not worth it. I also realize I don't have anything worth a guy stepping over his dead friend to try his chances. I'm not saying don't carry spare mags, but for me, if it takes more than 8 rounds something big is going on and I should have brought my AR. Oh, and I don't dress in a way that allows me to pack like rambo.
Do what you're comfortable with.
3/5/2012 1:31:42 PM
Right now ive got 8+1 in the pistol and an extra 8 in a single mag pouch. Ill swap out to a double more than likley when I find a style that I like and sew it up.
3/5/2012 1:31:57 PM
2 on my belt. In the winter I usually have another in the inside pocket of my favorite coat.
3/5/2012 1:41:59 PM
Originally Posted By donnieR32:
I carry just the gun so 7+1. I don't anticipate a crazed gang getting me. I figure if for some reason there are multiple bad guys, after the first one gets hit the others will realize it's not worth it. I also realize I don't have anything worth a guy stepping over his dead friend to try his chances. I'm not saying don't carry spare mags, but for me, if it takes more than 8 rounds something big is going on and I should have brought my AR. Oh, and I don't dress in a way that allows me to pack like rambo.
Do what you're comfortable with.
I carry just the gun so 7+1. I don't anticipate a crazed gang getting me. I figure if for some reason there are multiple bad guys, after the first one gets hit the others will realize it's not worth it. I also realize I don't have anything worth a guy stepping over his dead friend to try his chances. I'm not saying don't carry spare mags, but for me, if it takes more than 8 rounds something big is going on and I should have brought my AR. Oh, and I don't dress in a way that allows me to pack like rambo.
Do what you're comfortable with.
What if they don't?
3/5/2012 1:53:57 PM
Originally Posted By Gregory_K:
What if they don't?
Originally Posted By donnieR32:
I carry just the gun so 7+1. I don't anticipate a crazed gang getting me. I figure if for some reason there are multiple bad guys, after the first one gets hit the others will realize it's not worth it. I also realize I don't have anything worth a guy stepping over his dead friend to try his chances. I'm not saying don't carry spare mags, but for me, if it takes more than 8 rounds something big is going on and I should have brought my AR. Oh, and I don't dress in a way that allows me to pack like rambo.
Do what you're comfortable with.
I carry just the gun so 7+1. I don't anticipate a crazed gang getting me. I figure if for some reason there are multiple bad guys, after the first one gets hit the others will realize it's not worth it. I also realize I don't have anything worth a guy stepping over his dead friend to try his chances. I'm not saying don't carry spare mags, but for me, if it takes more than 8 rounds something big is going on and I should have brought my AR. Oh, and I don't dress in a way that allows me to pack like rambo.
Do what you're comfortable with.
What if they don't?
And this is why I didn't want to start a "why carry extra mag" thread. I have read, and agree 100%, that a spare mag is also used for gun-related failures, seeing as the magazine is usually the weakest link in the chain. I also do believe that the spare mag is for the extra rounds, but that is not the SOLE purpose of carrying a spare mag or 2.
3/5/2012 1:55:14 PM
Originally Posted By Schroedum:
I go 8+1 with a Wilson Combat 10 rounder in my pocket.
I go 8+1 with a Wilson Combat 10 rounder in my pocket.
this.
3/5/2012 1:59:58 PM
Originally Posted By BlindFaith429:
And this is why I didn't want to start a "why carry extra mag" thread. I have read, and agree 100%, that a spare mag is also used for gun-related failures, seeing as the magazine is usually the weakest link in the chain. I also do believe that the spare mag is for the extra rounds, but that is not the SOLE purpose of carrying a spare mag or 2.
Originally Posted By Gregory_K:
What if they don't?
Originally Posted By donnieR32:
I carry just the gun so 7+1. I don't anticipate a crazed gang getting me. I figure if for some reason there are multiple bad guys, after the first one gets hit the others will realize it's not worth it. I also realize I don't have anything worth a guy stepping over his dead friend to try his chances. I'm not saying don't carry spare mags, but for me, if it takes more than 8 rounds something big is going on and I should have brought my AR. Oh, and I don't dress in a way that allows me to pack like rambo.
Do what you're comfortable with.
I carry just the gun so 7+1. I don't anticipate a crazed gang getting me. I figure if for some reason there are multiple bad guys, after the first one gets hit the others will realize it's not worth it. I also realize I don't have anything worth a guy stepping over his dead friend to try his chances. I'm not saying don't carry spare mags, but for me, if it takes more than 8 rounds something big is going on and I should have brought my AR. Oh, and I don't dress in a way that allows me to pack like rambo.
Do what you're comfortable with.
What if they don't?
And this is why I didn't want to start a "why carry extra mag" thread. I have read, and agree 100%, that a spare mag is also used for gun-related failures, seeing as the magazine is usually the weakest link in the chain. I also do believe that the spare mag is for the extra rounds, but that is not the SOLE purpose of carrying a spare mag or 2.
That is a good point.
3/5/2012 3:20:32 PM
When I'm carrying open on a private ranch I may or may not carry a spare mag., usually not as hogs and snakes don't attack en masse. When I'm carrying concealed in environs where animals do attack in groups I usually stick a spare in the back jeans pocket.
3/5/2012 3:24:04 PM
I carry two spare 8 round CMC mags when I CCW my 1911s and have a CMC 8+1 in the pistol.
3/5/2012 3:52:20 PM
Two 10 round Wilson's on the belt, one eight round CMC in the gun (+1 in the pipe), and another eight round CMC in a pocket.
3/5/2012 5:01:05 PM
fwiw, a 10 rd mag fits nicely in the front pocket, and it remains upright and easy to grab.
I dislike mag pouches on my belt, so that is what I go with.
I dislike mag pouches on my belt, so that is what I go with.
3/5/2012 5:03:29 PM
Two 8-rd mags in a soft pouch in my pocket.
3/5/2012 5:15:14 PM
Originally Posted By donnieR32:
I carry just the gun so 7+1. I don't anticipate a crazed gang getting me. I figure if for some reason there are multiple bad guys, after the first one gets hit the others will realize it's not worth it. I also realize I don't have anything worth a guy stepping over his dead friend to try his chances. I'm not saying don't carry spare mags, but for me, if it takes more than 8 rounds something big is going on and I should have brought my AR. Oh, and I don't dress in a way that allows me to pack like rambo.
Do what you're comfortable with.
I carry just the gun so 7+1. I don't anticipate a crazed gang getting me. I figure if for some reason there are multiple bad guys, after the first one gets hit the others will realize it's not worth it. I also realize I don't have anything worth a guy stepping over his dead friend to try his chances. I'm not saying don't carry spare mags, but for me, if it takes more than 8 rounds something big is going on and I should have brought my AR. Oh, and I don't dress in a way that allows me to pack like rambo.
Do what you're comfortable with.
+1
3/5/2012 5:20:22 PM
Originally Posted By donnieR32:
I carry just the gun so 7+1. I don't anticipate a crazed gang getting me. I figure if for some reason there are multiple bad guys, after the first one gets hit the others will realize it's not worth it. I also realize I don't have anything worth a guy stepping over his dead friend to try his chances. I'm not saying don't carry spare mags, but for me, if it takes more than 8 rounds something big is going on and I should have brought my AR. Oh, and I don't dress in a way that allows me to pack like rambo.
Do what you're comfortable with.
I carry just the gun so 7+1. I don't anticipate a crazed gang getting me. I figure if for some reason there are multiple bad guys, after the first one gets hit the others will realize it's not worth it. I also realize I don't have anything worth a guy stepping over his dead friend to try his chances. I'm not saying don't carry spare mags, but for me, if it takes more than 8 rounds something big is going on and I should have brought my AR. Oh, and I don't dress in a way that allows me to pack like rambo.
Do what you're comfortable with.
Praying might get you into Heaven, but it won't clear a Double Feed Malfunction.
If nothing else, you should carry at least one extra mag just for that reason no matter what semi-auto you are carrying.
3/5/2012 5:40:29 PM
Here's a dose. Your challenger will likely have a hi-cap pointed at you. You're carrying a weapon with superior point ability.
Hopefully, if challenged shot placement will win the day with fight ending in 3 shots all fired by you.
In an unlikely event the fight is from behind cover by both parties. Fight may well turn to capacity. The guy with least capacity loosing.
My mode of carry is 8+1 strong side with two carried weak side in two OWB mag pouches. 1911 carried IWB.
This rig is always supported with bug.
eta, I used to be that guy who needed a neat, pressed clean look. Cinch button down shirt, Cinch or George Straight Wranglers, Justin Roper boots, carry concealed in Galco Sky-Ops holster with one spare full of bullets and pocket lint in jeans pocket with a little .32acp in same pocket for back-up.
Joplin, Missouri salebarn. Trucks lined four wide, 4 deep waiting to hit chutes. Cow hauling and fist fighting go together like spurs to a saddle. Diesels idling, calves bawling and I'm hollering to get above the noise to someone I've known for a long time to move, its his turn to chute. Next thing I know I've got some 7' tall, 300 lb neanderthal belly pushing me, sayin I need to mind my business. I say, Mr., I ain't lookin for trouble. He says, tough cause trouble just found you.
Where he came from, what he was high on is beyond me. One second he was there and I'm left thinking, now just exactly how do I get to my 1911 neatly tucked sob.
Point being we don't choose our fight scenarios, it picks us. Ready or not.
So today its Justin Ropers, Wranglers and Izod polos worn untucked.. I might look out of place but there's no question to weapon availability or magazines. You don't have to dress like "Rambo"
to carry capacity.
Hopefully, if challenged shot placement will win the day with fight ending in 3 shots all fired by you.
In an unlikely event the fight is from behind cover by both parties. Fight may well turn to capacity. The guy with least capacity loosing.
My mode of carry is 8+1 strong side with two carried weak side in two OWB mag pouches. 1911 carried IWB.
This rig is always supported with bug.
eta, I used to be that guy who needed a neat, pressed clean look. Cinch button down shirt, Cinch or George Straight Wranglers, Justin Roper boots, carry concealed in Galco Sky-Ops holster with one spare full of bullets and pocket lint in jeans pocket with a little .32acp in same pocket for back-up.
Joplin, Missouri salebarn. Trucks lined four wide, 4 deep waiting to hit chutes. Cow hauling and fist fighting go together like spurs to a saddle. Diesels idling, calves bawling and I'm hollering to get above the noise to someone I've known for a long time to move, its his turn to chute. Next thing I know I've got some 7' tall, 300 lb neanderthal belly pushing me, sayin I need to mind my business. I say, Mr., I ain't lookin for trouble. He says, tough cause trouble just found you.
Where he came from, what he was high on is beyond me. One second he was there and I'm left thinking, now just exactly how do I get to my 1911 neatly tucked sob.
Point being we don't choose our fight scenarios, it picks us. Ready or not.
So today its Justin Ropers, Wranglers and Izod polos worn untucked.. I might look out of place but there's no question to weapon availability or magazines. You don't have to dress like "Rambo"
to carry capacity.3/5/2012 6:21:13 PM
Duty belt is one in gun, 2 on belt. Entry team includes a few more on my and team member's vests.
3/5/2012 6:42:58 PM
Out and around - 4 spares.
In the yard/garage - 2 spares.
In the yard/garage - 2 spares.
3/5/2012 6:52:59 PM
Some times one spare, some times two spares.
And, very rarely, I use a nice nylon pouch I have that will carry 3 spares. This usually requires suspenders to be comfortable.
I do have a new jacket which has a perfect magazine pocket built into it, so you could update all those spare numbers by one, but it is a very rare thing for me to actually carry 4 spare mags.
And, very rarely, I use a nice nylon pouch I have that will carry 3 spares. This usually requires suspenders to be comfortable.
I do have a new jacket which has a perfect magazine pocket built into it, so you could update all those spare numbers by one, but it is a very rare thing for me to actually carry 4 spare mags.
3/5/2012 7:13:02 PM
Originally Posted By 1911smith:
Here's a dose. Your challenger will likely have a hi-cap pointed at you. You're carrying a weapon with superior point ability.
Hopefully, if challenged shot placement will win the day with fight ending in 3 shots all fired by you.
In an unlikely event the fight is from behind cover by both parties. Fight may well turn to capacity. The guy with least capacity loosing.
My mode of carry is 8+1 strong side with two carried weak side in two OWB mag pouches. 1911 carried IWB.
This rig is always supported with bug.
eta, I used to be that guy who needed a neat, pressed clean look. Cinch button down shirt, Cinch or George Straight Wranglers, Justin Roper boots, carry concealed in Galco Sky-Ops holster with one spare full of bullets and pocket lint in jeans pocket with a little .32acp in same pocket for back-up.
Joplin, Missouri salebarn. Trucks lined four wide, 4 deep waiting to hit chutes. Cow hauling and fist fighting go together like spurs to a saddle. Diesels idling, calves bawling and I'm hollering to get above the noise to someone I've known for a long time to move, its his turn to chute. Next thing I know I've got some 7' tall, 300 lb neanderthal belly pushing me, sayin I need to mind my business. I say, Mr., I ain't lookin for trouble. He says, tough cause trouble just found you.
Where he came from, what he was high on is beyond me. One second he was there and I'm left thinking, now just exactly how do I get to my 1911 neatly tucked sob.
Point being we don't choose our fight scenarios, it picks us. Ready or not.
So today its Justin Ropers, Wranglers and Izod polos worn untucked.. I might look out of place but there's no question to weapon availability or magazines. You don't have to dress like "Rambo" to carry capacity.
Here's a dose. Your challenger will likely have a hi-cap pointed at you. You're carrying a weapon with superior point ability.
Hopefully, if challenged shot placement will win the day with fight ending in 3 shots all fired by you.
In an unlikely event the fight is from behind cover by both parties. Fight may well turn to capacity. The guy with least capacity loosing.
My mode of carry is 8+1 strong side with two carried weak side in two OWB mag pouches. 1911 carried IWB.
This rig is always supported with bug.
eta, I used to be that guy who needed a neat, pressed clean look. Cinch button down shirt, Cinch or George Straight Wranglers, Justin Roper boots, carry concealed in Galco Sky-Ops holster with one spare full of bullets and pocket lint in jeans pocket with a little .32acp in same pocket for back-up.
Joplin, Missouri salebarn. Trucks lined four wide, 4 deep waiting to hit chutes. Cow hauling and fist fighting go together like spurs to a saddle. Diesels idling, calves bawling and I'm hollering to get above the noise to someone I've known for a long time to move, its his turn to chute. Next thing I know I've got some 7' tall, 300 lb neanderthal belly pushing me, sayin I need to mind my business. I say, Mr., I ain't lookin for trouble. He says, tough cause trouble just found you.
Where he came from, what he was high on is beyond me. One second he was there and I'm left thinking, now just exactly how do I get to my 1911 neatly tucked sob.
Point being we don't choose our fight scenarios, it picks us. Ready or not.
So today its Justin Ropers, Wranglers and Izod polos worn untucked.. I might look out of place but there's no question to weapon availability or magazines. You don't have to dress like "Rambo"
to carry capacity.Almost... THIS! I don't do the Joplin, MO sale barn. (I'll be by there next week though.) I do like those boots though! - I haven't met the 7' neanderthal, but saw his cousins one night. I also carry a weak-side knife for those cousins.... Just sayin!
3/5/2012 7:43:35 PM
Never assume that your adversary is a coward or incompetent. Always assume that he is determined to murder you and has lots of allies on deck just as determined as he.
I carry 8+1 with another 8 in my front pocket. Yes, I know that it isn't up to the latest tactical standard, but it works and I am good at retrieving the spare mag.
I carry 8+1 with another 8 in my front pocket. Yes, I know that it isn't up to the latest tactical standard, but it works and I am good at retrieving the spare mag.
3/5/2012 7:59:28 PM
8+1 or 7+1, depending on which one I'm carrying, and then another 8rd mag and a light behind the weak-side hip. The mag and light carriers are all kydex singles, so I can tailor up, drawing up from the spare carrier and two extra 10rd mags I carry in my laptop bag
3/5/2012 8:22:02 PM
I carry a SIG RCS with 7 in the gun & a apare in my pocket. Sometimes another in my briefcase in the back seat of my truck.
Thanks,
Mark
Thanks,
Mark
3/5/2012 8:35:16 PM
Usually two eights on the belt.
3/5/2012 8:43:45 PM
2 spare 10 round cobramags.
3/5/2012 9:16:34 PM
2 10rnders when i did carry a 1911
3/5/2012 10:19:03 PM
Carry a Kimber Ultra CDP II on occasion. 7+1 in the gun. 2 x 8 rounders in a double mag pouch on the support side.
3/5/2012 10:40:59 PM
It varies; sometimes no spares, though I should. When I do, it's 2 8 Wilson ETMs. 8+1 in the gun.
3/5/2012 11:40:18 PM
Low profile Wilson 8 rounder in my Springfield, a 8 round Wilson on my belt and usually another 8 rounder in my pocket.
There are a couple old GI 7 rounders in the car as well.
There are a couple old GI 7 rounders in the car as well.
3/6/2012 10:07:49 AM
Originally Posted By beltfed74:
2 on my belt. In the winter I usually have another in the inside pocket of my favorite coat.
2 on my belt. In the winter I usually have another in the inside pocket of my favorite coat.
^This
3/6/2012 10:28:54 AM
Originally Posted By BlindFaith429:
For those of you who carry a 1911, how many spare mags do you carry along with it?
I usually carry my 1911 7+1, and will be carrying 8-round Trip Cobra mags as spares. What I don't know though, is how many spares I should carry.
For those of you who carry a 1911, how many spare mags do you carry along with it?
I usually carry my 1911 7+1, and will be carrying 8-round Trip Cobra mags as spares. What I don't know though, is how many spares I should carry.
My reality is that 15 rounds (7+1 & 7) should handle 99.9% of the scenarios I'd most likely see. That said, I do plan to upgrade my spare mag to a 10 rounder in the future. I no longer CCW for the TEOTWAWKI event while I'm out buying milk. Depending on where you live and your local threat level YMMV
.3/6/2012 3:52:50 PM
I'm currently carrying a SIG these days with 9 in the gun and one spare 8 round magazine on my belt.
Some people may carry more spares; but at least I always have my gun on me with a spare mag.
Some people may carry more spares; but at least I always have my gun on me with a spare mag.
3/6/2012 5:02:42 PM
At least one spare mag.
3/6/2012 5:06:57 PM
2 spare 10 round is the minimum.
RLTW
RLTW
3/6/2012 9:13:48 PM
7 rounder in the gun and two sevens ( all Wilson 47s ) on the opposite hip.
3/7/2012 10:03:24 AM
8+1 in weapon plus another 8 on reaction side belt.
3/7/2012 11:36:31 AM
Originally Posted By strm_trpr:
8+1 in weapon plus another 8 on reaction side belt.
8+1 in weapon plus another 8 on reaction side belt.
This.
If I fight my way back to the truck there's more, and a pistol that starts with a "G" with lots more .45....
3/7/2012 12:08:14 PM
If carrying IWB:
CMC 8+1 (no bumper) with a CMC Power10 as backup (or two if I have my tacticool man purse with me).
If carrying OWB:
Either a CMC 8+1 or CMC 10+1 with CMC 10 as a backup.
CMC 8+1 (no bumper) with a CMC Power10 as backup (or two if I have my tacticool man purse with me).
If carrying OWB:
Either a CMC 8+1 or CMC 10+1 with CMC 10 as a backup.
3/8/2012 11:47:00 PM
My rule of thumb with any auto is fully loaded (one in chamber) plus two spare mags... Whether it is a 1911 or my M&P 40 with 15 round mags... really ready for a party then... lol 46 rounds of .40 cal.
3/9/2012 1:41:18 AM
Compact Wilson here, 7 +1, with one carrier minimum, a second carrier if tolling around the country side or shopping in malls.
If I have to hit the Ghetto or Columbus, it's a different story, Hi-cap 9s with two spares.
If I have to hit the Ghetto or Columbus, it's a different story, Hi-cap 9s with two spares.
3/9/2012 6:35:12 AM
8 + 1 in gun, 2 10 rndrs
3/9/2012 7:10:07 AM
8 in the gun and one 8 round Wilson mag on my belt in a pouch along with a surefire 6P LED.
3/9/2012 11:56:48 AM
In an unlikely event the fight is from behind cover by both parties. Fight may well turn to capacity. The guy with least capacity loosing.
Nope, if he is behind cover, I'm not wasting my ammo, if he’s running away, I’m not wasting ammo. If he gets up and begins to approach or fire, then I’ll return fire.
I can’t think of many things more ridiculous than two people behind cover, blasting away at each other.
That said, I do carry a spare 8 round mag in case of mag. failure.
3/10/2012 9:11:21 AM
8+1 in the gun, a Nighthawk GRP Recon, and two 8 round spares. All mags are Wilsons.
3/10/2012 12:30:46 PM
Originally Posted By BlindFaith429:
For those of you who carry a 1911, how many spare mags do you carry along with it?
I usually carry my 1911 7+1, and will be carrying 8-round Trip Cobra mags as spares. What I don't know though, is how many spares I should carry.
I'm not going to get into a debate about WHY carry extra mags, as I know there are multiple reasons and such. My question is HOW MANY I should carry.
Any and all opinions will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
For those of you who carry a 1911, how many spare mags do you carry along with it?
I usually carry my 1911 7+1, and will be carrying 8-round Trip Cobra mags as spares. What I don't know though, is how many spares I should carry.
I'm not going to get into a debate about WHY carry extra mags, as I know there are multiple reasons and such. My question is HOW MANY I should carry.
Any and all opinions will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
One mag and a Surefire Z2 light in a Wilson Combat combo holster. I carry my 1911 in either milt Sparks summer special 2 or VM2 IWB.
Edited to add: this means I have a total of 16 rounds on me at all times and a light. I'm surprised more people haven't talked about a trusty Surefire!
3/10/2012 1:27:02 PM
Originally Posted By MikeJGA:
Nope, if he is behind cover, I'm not wasting my ammo, if he’s running away, I’m not wasting ammo. If he gets up and begins to approach or fire, then I’ll return fire.
I can’t think of many things more ridiculous than two people behind cover, blasting away at each other.
That said, I do carry a spare 8 round mag in case of mag. failure.
In an unlikely event the fight is from behind cover by both parties. Fight may well turn to capacity. The guy with least capacity loosing.
Nope, if he is behind cover, I'm not wasting my ammo, if he’s running away, I’m not wasting ammo. If he gets up and begins to approach or fire, then I’ll return fire.
I can’t think of many things more ridiculous than two people behind cover, blasting away at each other.
That said, I do carry a spare 8 round mag in case of mag. failure.
This is an example of illusionary control. Scenario you describe assumes both yourself and assailant are stationary.
May or not be the situation. We don't pick our scenario, it picks us. Fleeing assailant(s) while stopping to fire from cover changes logic.
