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 Why does the Ruger MK series look like a German Luger?
Msokol13  [Member]
2/11/2008 12:28:36 AM
Is there something behind the MK series as to why it has a similar exterior design?

I am interested in any ideas behind this.


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ALPHAGHOST  [Team Member]
2/11/2008 1:12:00 AM
they say that bill ruger was a huge fan of the grip angles and ergos and style of the luger, so he implemented it into his .22lr auto lines, and its stuck i guess (until the 22/45 series)
KnightofTheOldeCode  [Team Member]
2/11/2008 4:44:37 AM
Lots of WW2 Gi's brought Lugers home and liked shooting them. 9mm ammo was uncommon and expensive at the Time. Bill Ruger designed his excellent pistol to capitolize of that market. smart businesman.

Internally the action and design is nothing like a Luger, Obviously the exterior appearance is a direct copy. Here endith the lession, j/k lol.

edited for spelling
mini14jac  [Team Member]
2/11/2008 7:19:17 AM

Originally Posted By KnightofTheOldeCode:
Lots of WW2 Gi's brought Lugers home and liked shooting them. 9mm ammo was uncommon and expensive at the Time. Bill Ruger designed his excellent pistol to capitolize of that market. smart businesman.

Internally the action and design is nothing like a Luger, Obviously the exterior appearance is a direct copy. Here endith the lession, j/k lol.

edited for spelling


That's what I've always read.
Returning GIs were drawn to the lines of the Luger, and the Ruger was inexpensive to purchase, and shoot.
Chris_1522  [Team Member]
2/11/2008 9:09:52 AM
Why?

Because Lugers are cool!
MuRDoC  [Member]
2/11/2008 9:17:25 AM
my mk2 feels right in my hand, I've turned my back to all other 22 pistols because of this, even with the pain in the ass disassembly.
J_E_D  [Team Member]
2/11/2008 9:31:14 AM
I'm pretty sure I've read that it was patterned and proportioned after a Japanese Nambu, which was patterned after a Luger.
The Nabu's grip is nearly identical in angle and circumference to the MKI and subsequent variations.
The grip of the Luger is fatter and a little shorter as well as slightly more steep.

This may be a distinction without a difference but the point is that Bill "Ban 'em all but mine!" Ruger has said that he liked the feel of the Nambu.
logic2  [Member]
2/11/2008 10:17:57 AM

Originally Posted By MuRDoC:
my mk2 feels right in my hand, I've turned my back to all other 22 pistols because of this, even with the pain in the ass disassembly.


Never had a problem with disassembly, re-assembly OTOH was a major PITA until I figured out the secret.....(also known as following the directions ) I would trade 100 MKII's for my Dad's Hi-Standard...... Incredible thing of beauty that is not only perfectly comfortable, but spot in 100%. I once shot a 12 gauge shot gun shell out in the desert, four mags worth... every time it landed I shot it again....
logic2  [Member]
2/11/2008 10:19:21 AM
BTW, anyone else notice that the bull barrels have the exact outer diameter as the inner diameter of a 2 liter pop bottle?
JohnRippert  [Member]
2/11/2008 1:18:20 PM
One of the things that drew me to the Ruger MK Series as a boy was the resemblance to the Luger, which I really had a thing for. When I got the chance to get a MKII I jumped on it. This has been a really fun pistol to shoot.


KnightofTheOldeCode  [Team Member]
2/11/2008 2:53:14 PM
I think the Standards are the best 22 semis to come down the pipe. they feel perfect and are very accurate.

]Too bad they Lawyers designed the Mk III. Hate the billboard also.
Cross_Steel  [Member]
2/11/2008 4:07:38 PM
One word, "Marketing".
pyro6988  [Team Member]
2/11/2008 4:11:47 PM
Honestly I never realized it until now.
swede1986  [Member]
2/11/2008 11:35:20 PM

Because Bill Ruger was a nazi?










C_Rion  [Member]
2/12/2008 5:58:01 AM
I always thought it had something to do with Sturm and Ruger being German, ( Arent those German names?) as in the two men who founded the company, not the company itself. I have no real evidence of this, just how I explained it away in my mind. As far as the Mk III, the loaded chamber indicator is easy to deactivate. The mag block is relativly easy as well, but I wont go into that. To deactivate the loaded chamber indicator, just dissasemble the weapon as normal. Then look on the left side of the upper receiver. You will see a pin that holds in the loaded chamber indicator. push this pin out with a paper clip. Now you should have 3 pieces, which will be the external polymer indicator, the internal small stamped steel arm that the rim of the cartridge pushes on, and a small spring. Remove the small piece of stamped steel from the three pieces and set it aside, or put it in a small plastic bag and put it in the Ruger pistol box. Now reinstall the spring and indicator, and replace the retaining pin. Reassemble the weapon, and now the loaded chamber indicator is deactivated, but, you dont have an unfilled slot in your frame.
Hoppy  [Team Member]
2/12/2008 6:11:04 AM
The grip angle. Besides being a war trophy the Luger was praised for it's perfect grip angle. Those not familiar with guns, when seeing my MKI for the first time, assume it's a Luger.
MuRDoC  [Member]
2/12/2008 6:32:35 AM

Originally Posted By logic2:
BTW, anyone else notice that the bull barrels have the exact outer diameter as the inner diameter of a 2 liter pop bottle?


uh I wouldn't mention that here, just sayin
ecgRN  [Team Member]
2/12/2008 6:32:38 AM

Originally Posted By swede1986:
Because Bill Ruger was a nazi?


aaronrb204  [Member]
2/12/2008 8:53:38 AM
The Japanese Nambu style was copied from the Luger but the action is completely different. Bill Ruger basically took the Nambu and reworked the design to handle .22lr.
Msokol13  [Member]
2/18/2008 11:54:58 PM
Does the Ruger Mk series with the short tapered barrel have the same dimensions as a German Luger?

Reason I ask is this:

www.cheaperthandirt.com/LEG198-45642-2228.html?pcs=LEG198

For $30 I think it would be kinda interesting to have this holster.

Thanks for any help
Glock-Boy  [Member]
2/19/2008 3:43:42 PM
Same old BS ? Right ? Why is there always some one who decides to post ignorance like "he's a German, so HE must be a Nazi" ? Not all German's were Nazi's ! Nor did they support any of their views. One would do best to study the fire arms history before labeling it from a certain era. The Luger was actually developed and produced before the Third Reich ever came to power, while there are Luger's with Nazi Wauffen proof stamps on them out there, the gun wasn't developed by them. In fact, it is another example of their "pirating" of many weapons and produced under their occupation. The Luger pistol is an excellent design and an excellent shooter. I own several Luger's and several of Bill Ruger's 22's, it really is to bad that the Luger and its design has been tainted by the "Nazi" image, it really is an excellent design.
Bradd_D  [Team Member]
2/19/2008 4:53:42 PM
The Nambu...



The errornet is working overtime in this thread...
Atilla_Turkey  [Member]
2/19/2008 9:22:20 PM
For the longest time I thought Ruger was a German company, and I thought that was the reason why they built there guns to look like the Lugers.
Dace  [Member]
2/19/2008 10:45:35 PM

Originally Posted By Bradd_D:
The Nambu...

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/65/Nambu_model_14_1925_8mm_pistol.jpg

The errornet is working overtime in this thread...


Have you ever shot or handled a Nambu? Didnt think so. The "I am smarter then all the other geeks on internet" syndrome is running strong.

Watch the video and tell me if anything look familiar...

youtube.com/watch?v=2uQOor2NP7c&feature=related

The Rugers action closely if not copies the action of the Nambu. Ruger simply designed the look into his pistol with the action of the Nambu.
wildearp  [Team Member]
2/19/2008 10:58:43 PM

Originally Posted By MuRDoC:

Originally Posted By logic2:
BTW, anyone else notice that the bull barrels have the exact outer diameter as the inner diameter of a 2 liter pop bottle?


uh I wouldn't mention that here, just sayin


Pop bottles, like shoe laces, are legal to own with a tax stamp.

These tend to be easier to sight with and maneuver:

Bradd_D  [Team Member]
2/19/2008 11:03:23 PM

Originally Posted By Dace:

Originally Posted By Bradd_D:
The Nambu...

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/65/Nambu_model_14_1925_8mm_pistol.jpg

The errornet is working overtime in this thread...


Have you ever shot or handled a Nambu? Didnt think so. The "I am smarter then all the other geeks on internet" syndrome is running strong.

Watch the video and tell me if anything look familiar...

youtube.com/watch?v=2uQOor2NP7c&feature=related

The Rugers action closely if not copies the action of the Nambu. Ruger simply designed the look into his pistol with the action of the Nambu.


Perhaps you should know of what you speak before you open your mouth. I was talking about the folks that said the Ruger was designed after the Luger.
Dace  [Member]
2/19/2008 11:12:35 PM

Originally Posted By Bradd_D:

Originally Posted By Dace:

Originally Posted By Bradd_D:
The Nambu...

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/65/Nambu_model_14_1925_8mm_pistol.jpg

The errornet is working overtime in this thread...


Have you ever shot or handled a Nambu? Didnt think so. The "I am smarter then all the other geeks on internet" syndrome is running strong.

Watch the video and tell me if anything look familiar...

youtube.com/watch?v=2uQOor2NP7c&feature=related

The Rugers action closely if not copies the action of the Nambu. Ruger simply designed the look into his pistol with the action of the Nambu.


Perhaps you should know of what you speak before you open your mouth. I was talking about the folks that said the Ruger was designed after the Luger.


I was not saying the words out loud while I typed, therefore I didn't open my mouth.

But I think we are both miscommunicating.

I need to get off the internet tonight, this is like the third post of mine dripping with sarcasm and me being a smart ass. I am done...
BWPerdue  [Member]
2/19/2008 11:25:53 PM
Bill was using the same design in other items before he designed the pistol: Ruger hand drill; scroll down the page a little to find it.
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