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 NP3 (Nickel/Teflon) VS Cera-Plate (Nickel/Boron Nitride) Coatings???
bchance1  [Member]
3/7/2011 2:46:33 PM
Anyone have experience with both Robar's NP3 and CCR's Cera-Plate? Or any of you chemistry majors explain the difference other than inherent lubrication of NP3?
compuvette  [Team Member]
3/7/2011 4:55:21 PM
I've got an NP3 coated Commander:



Love the finish. You can tell it's got teflon in it. Feels a little slippery even when dry and so far it's hard as a rock. It's my "I don't give a crap about the weather" Commander.
Screwball  [Member]
3/7/2011 6:20:29 PM
They are very similar finishes. There are some differences between Teflon and Boron Nitride, but they give you a similar plating.







That is my 9mm Beretta PX4 done in cera-plate. Very happy with the finish, being I have a .45 PX4 also done in it, as well as my Ruger LCP. The magazines were also done, which gives smoother insertions/removals.

I looked at NP3 and NP3 Plus, and will be going with NP3 Plus on two guns (Remington 870 Police and S&W 642). I have a breakdown of Robar's old NP3 pricing for my .45 PX4 in a thread on BerettaForum, and it was a BIG difference between the two (under $200). CCR does great work at a lower price. The waits are long (emails are touch and go with them, so calling is better), but they do have a scheduling system in place to shorten it. I have the frame of my LCP and my Beretta CX4 bolt on the way to them for more cera-plating.

With that being said, there are some benefits of Robar's finishes. Two reasons are why my shotgun and revolver are going that way instead of to CCR. First, long guns are not able to be done in cera-plate. There was talk about them having that capability, and if they did, I would reconsider it. The other thing is that they cannot cera-plate alloy frames. From what I've heard, CCR also has a new finish, called Ni-Kote, which can be applied to alloy frames to match cera-plate.

SIG Forum has a lot of reviews of both finishes. Most say that NP3 is slippery to the touch, whereas cera-plate is not. I have a Stealth decocker on my .45 PX4, which does not have a lot of area to grip… but never had my thumb slip off it when decocked.
Geohans  [Member]
3/7/2011 7:55:32 PM
NP3 is phenomenal.




gmtmaster  [Member]
3/7/2011 8:49:00 PM
Hard chrome....................

offshorebear  [Team Member]
3/7/2011 9:19:03 PM
Nickel/Boron/ Carbon Nitride is not a coating, its a case hardening surface treatment. It almost changes the outer layer of metal into a different alloy. I don't know jack about NP3.
bchance1  [Member]
3/7/2011 11:36:01 PM
Thanks I am getting the since I cant go wrong with either. I am leaning toward the NP3 because of the lubrication properties. The main concern I have is if it is slick enough to cause problems when racking the slide? I have read when wet it is really slick?

Also not real sure what the difference between NP3 and NP3 Plus is other than Robar says it is better. Any idea?

Both look fabulous. Wonder if there are chemical bonding or hardness or durability differences?
HardShell  [Life Member]
3/8/2011 10:03:10 AM

Originally Posted By bchance1:
Thanks I am getting the since I cant go wrong with either. I am leaning toward the NP3 because of the lubrication properties. The main concern I have is if it is slick enough to cause problems when racking the slide? I have read when wet it is really slick?...

I've never had an issue of being unable to get an adequate grip or operate our NP3'd Berettas, and neither has my wife. We've had/shot them for years, as they are our designated HD pistols that back up our primary HD long guns (rifle and shotgun, respectively –– his and hers ). Of course, some guns with less serations/angles might be more difficult –– I could see it maybe being an issue with a CCW piece that had recived a "melt" job.



compuvette  [Team Member]
3/8/2011 11:43:58 AM
Originally Posted By bchance1:
Thanks I am getting the since I cant go wrong with either. I am leaning toward the NP3 because of the lubrication properties. The main concern I have is if it is slick enough to cause problems when racking the slide? I have read when wet it is really slick?

Also not real sure what the difference between NP3 and NP3 Plus is other than Robar says it is better. Any idea?

Both look fabulous. Wonder if there are chemical bonding or hardness or durability differences?


Don't know about NP3 plus, but my Commander was NP3'd by a previous owner about 10 years ago and it is still holding strong. Robar did a reliability package and NP3 coated it. Still slick and it'll feed anything. The finish has worn on the barrel and now it just looks like polished stainless instead of the more matte finish on the rest of the gun. The previous owner put the biggest idiot scratch I've ever seen on the left side, but it did not get through the finish. I've thought about sending it back to Robar for a re-coat but it's my "any weather" Commander so I just can't justify spending the money on a completely functional tool.
Screwball  [Member]
3/8/2011 8:50:19 PM
Originally Posted By bchance1:
I am leaning toward the NP3 because of the lubrication properties.


Lubrication is a property of cera-plate, as well.

From what I've looked into, NP3 Plus is just tougher than NP3. Not saying that NP3 is bad, being it does hold up. Someone on BerettaForum (I believe) asked Robar why to go with NP3 Plus... I think it came down to being in marine environments. If I remember correctly, the person was from Florida or somewhere similar, and the humidity wasn't a concern.

For me, if I'm going to spend the money to do a shotgun and revolver in NP3, I'll spend a little more and go with NP3 Plus. Both of those guns are not going anywhere anytime soon, so it is worth it.
Strela  [Member]
3/9/2011 9:37:58 PM
FYI, Robar has a 15% off coupon on their website for a complete NP3/NP3 Plus refinishing job in March.