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kel tec p11 bottom line would you own one?
5/10/2010 4:13:19 PM
have the chance to pick up a p11 for $200
not looking to carry it everyday but will probably see some summer use
and fits the bill as a cheap in the truck gun
at $300 new i have checked them out and havent bought one
but for $200 barely used im thinking why not jump on it
how well does the add on belt clip work for iwb carry?
not looking to carry it everyday but will probably see some summer use
and fits the bill as a cheap in the truck gun
at $300 new i have checked them out and havent bought one
but for $200 barely used im thinking why not jump on it
how well does the add on belt clip work for iwb carry?
5/10/2010 4:18:09 PM
NO. They are shit. Horrible trigger pull and unpleasant all around. I wanted to like it, but no, they suck. And this is coming from from a Keltec fan, I own nearly every model they make.
You can get a P-9 or a P3AT for $200 if you keep your eyes open. Either of those is worth owning, and a bargain by any standard.
You can get a P-9 or a P3AT for $200 if you keep your eyes open. Either of those is worth owning, and a bargain by any standard.
5/10/2010 4:29:25 PM
I'm pretty sure the P-11 is the only KT product I've owned and traded away. Not their best product IMHO... but, in their defense, it's one of their earliest ones as well. YMMV, as always (I know there are a few here who love them).
5/10/2010 4:41:57 PM
exactly what i figured
think I will wait around for a pf-9 to come along for cheap
after looking at some specs the p11 comes up at just a hair thinner than a few of my .45's
weight is a different story though...
i know about kel tec fit &finish I have a sub 2000
dont love it but cant seem to get around to selling it either
think I will wait around for a pf-9 to come along for cheap
after looking at some specs the p11 comes up at just a hair thinner than a few of my .45's
weight is a different story though...
i know about kel tec fit &finish I have a sub 2000
dont love it but cant seem to get around to selling it either
5/10/2010 5:40:48 PM
I would, and I do. Makes a decent BUG, and with the fluff-and-buff, the trigger is manageable. Mine is surprisingly accurate for what it is, that I paid $150 out the door for in 1996 or 1997.
5/10/2010 5:52:40 PM
buy it
5/10/2010 8:57:13 PM
Child Proof?
12-pound trigger pull, 25# to operate the slide, almost impossible for a child to chamber and fire.
12-pound trigger pull, 25# to operate the slide, almost impossible for a child to chamber and fire.
5/11/2010 2:37:29 AM
I got my PF-9 for $250 out the door, NIB. So if you deal with a local gun shop a lot they may be able to give you a deal, I know mine does. But then again I did pretty much put his kids through college with my purchases.
5/11/2010 3:10:00 AM
For $200, yea. Buy it, stick it in the truck or fishing box/tool box and forget about it. It is reliable. It is just not fun or accurate.
I have owned 2 of them. I do not regret owning them but I don't regret selling/trading them off either.
I have owned 2 of them. I do not regret owning them but I don't regret selling/trading them off either.
5/13/2010 9:01:33 AM
Bottom line: I DO own one and it isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
Yeah, the trigger is nothing to call home about. but I can hit with it at self-defense ranges. The trigger may be improved, but I haven't seen an outright need to do anything with it yet. Maybe later this summer.
An easy to carry/conceal 12+1 9mm pistol that is 100% reliable (mine is, anyway) for under $300 is damn hard to beat.
I'm not going to lose much sleep if something happens to it, either.
Yeah, the trigger is nothing to call home about. but I can hit with it at self-defense ranges. The trigger may be improved, but I haven't seen an outright need to do anything with it yet. Maybe later this summer.
An easy to carry/conceal 12+1 9mm pistol that is 100% reliable (mine is, anyway) for under $300 is damn hard to beat.
I'm not going to lose much sleep if something happens to it, either.
5/14/2010 12:21:39 PM
Originally Posted By tep0583:
Bottom line: I DO own one and it isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
Yeah, the trigger is nothing to call home about. but I can hit with it at self-defense ranges. The trigger may be improved, but I haven't seen an outright need to do anything with it yet. Maybe later this summer.
An easy to carry/conceal 12+1 9mm pistol that is 100% reliable (mine is, anyway) for under $300 is damn hard to beat.
I'm not going to lose much sleep if something happens to it, either.
Bottom line: I DO own one and it isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
Yeah, the trigger is nothing to call home about. but I can hit with it at self-defense ranges. The trigger may be improved, but I haven't seen an outright need to do anything with it yet. Maybe later this summer.
An easy to carry/conceal 12+1 9mm pistol that is 100% reliable (mine is, anyway) for under $300 is damn hard to beat.
I'm not going to lose much sleep if something happens to it, either.
+1
I carry mine every day. Once you get used to the trigger, it's very accurate at combat handgun ranges. It is not a target shooter, it's a deep concealment defensive handgun. I run a box of cartridges through mine ~ once a month, just to stay current and work on my form with it.
5/14/2010 2:02:33 PM
I'd pick it up for $200. I paid about $250 for mine, used, but it came with night sight and 3 extra magazines. So for base model with 1 mag, $200 is a good price.
The P11 trigger is not as nice as those in more expensive pistols. But it is not bad at all. I shoot Glock 17 & 19, XD 9 and 45 and it took me a very short time to get used to the DAO trigger in the P11. Mine pulls at about 8 lbs. The pull is smooth, just long and a bit heavy.
Accuracy is very good for a pistol this size ... head shots from 10m is not a problem all day long. Mine has been reliable too. Not a single jam so far.
The P11 trigger is not as nice as those in more expensive pistols. But it is not bad at all. I shoot Glock 17 & 19, XD 9 and 45 and it took me a very short time to get used to the DAO trigger in the P11. Mine pulls at about 8 lbs. The pull is smooth, just long and a bit heavy.
Accuracy is very good for a pistol this size ... head shots from 10m is not a problem all day long. Mine has been reliable too. Not a single jam so far.
5/14/2010 2:24:32 PM
No, they suck. IM me the guy's number so I can take it off his hands and save him the trouble of having to throw it into the garbage.
5/17/2010 11:04:35 AM
I own one and dislike it very much so far. Trigger pull is crazy long.
5/17/2010 11:57:39 AM
I have one. It lives in my console. It's been 100% reliable albeit with a horrible trigger pull. Even with the bad trigger I can keep all 11rounds on target at 25 yards.
5/17/2010 12:23:32 PM
For $200 yes. I've owned its slimmer version the PF-9 and it was 100% reliable but not that great of a trigger on it.
5/19/2010 6:03:29 PM
forgot to update it was gone by the time i got off work.
will keep a eye out for a good deal on a pf-9
will keep a eye out for a good deal on a pf-9
5/27/2010 2:38:57 AM
not to bump a dead topic, but a trigger stop made the trigger a million times better for me
6/19/2010 1:40:22 PM
I own one, so I guess my answer is yes. However, I know what the P11 is. Its an inexpensive, light weight (carry all the time), real caliber, crappy trigger handgun. The gun goes bang every time and the internal design is really simple which translates into a reliable weapon that if need be can be fixed easily. The finish on the slide was terrible so I duracoated it.
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I own much nicer more expensive guns and this is just one cog in the gear.
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I own much nicer more expensive guns and this is just one cog in the gear.
6/19/2010 2:05:15 PM
trigger mods are a must, once you fix the trigger, you've got an awesome pistol, aso the 30 rnd s&w mags are fun.
6/25/2010 4:23:21 AM
I carried one for ten years, shot it well and it was very reliable. The belt clip made it one of the easiest pistols I've carried.
Having said that I will say that mine had a handful of "garage gunsmith" improvements. Some worked, some not. It was a "kit" gun when I first bought it. The design and materials are great, but it needed a lot of refitting. I shot it quite a bit and wore the first control group out after about 5K rounds. Their customer service was next to none often sending repair parts that were clearly my fuck up.
I traded it in when I started wearing progressive lens glasses and couldn't pick up the sights as well. If Crimson Trace offered a laser for it I would probably still be carrying it.
Having said that I will say that mine had a handful of "garage gunsmith" improvements. Some worked, some not. It was a "kit" gun when I first bought it. The design and materials are great, but it needed a lot of refitting. I shot it quite a bit and wore the first control group out after about 5K rounds. Their customer service was next to none often sending repair parts that were clearly my fuck up.
I traded it in when I started wearing progressive lens glasses and couldn't pick up the sights as well. If Crimson Trace offered a laser for it I would probably still be carrying it.
6/28/2010 12:21:46 AM
I got a P11 when they came out. I have fired thousands of experimental overloads with many different bullets and powders.
I got a P32 when they came out.
I got the P40 slide when they came out.
I got the P357 barrel when they came out.
I got the P3AT when they came out.
I got the PF-9 when they came out.
They are no fun to shoot.
They are not pieces of art.
They are not pieces of great craftsmanship.
But they pack a lot of firepower in a small weight, small volume, and small price.
I have never had a Kel-Tec jam on me.
I wish I could say that about Glocks, Smiths, Berettas, and Colts.
I got a P32 when they came out.
I got the P40 slide when they came out.
I got the P357 barrel when they came out.
I got the P3AT when they came out.
I got the PF-9 when they came out.
They are no fun to shoot.
They are not pieces of art.
They are not pieces of great craftsmanship.
But they pack a lot of firepower in a small weight, small volume, and small price.
I have never had a Kel-Tec jam on me.
I wish I could say that about Glocks, Smiths, Berettas, and Colts.
6/28/2010 12:34:50 AM
Originally Posted By bigrob88:
exactly what i figured
think I will wait around for a pf-9 to come along for cheap
after looking at some specs the p11 comes up at just a hair thinner than a few of my .45's
weight is a different story though...
i know about kel tec fit &finish I have a sub 2000
dont love it but cant seem to get around to selling it either
exactly what i figured
think I will wait around for a pf-9 to come along for cheap
after looking at some specs the p11 comes up at just a hair thinner than a few of my .45's
weight is a different story though...
i know about kel tec fit &finish I have a sub 2000
dont love it but cant seem to get around to selling it either
So two opinions, and your mind is made up?
I'll just say that I gave my P-11 to my brother, and I regret it. I wish I had it back. It wasn't the most finished weapon I ever owned, but it was light, concealable, held 12+1 rounds of 9mm, and never failed to fire, eject, or otherwise function perfectly for me. The trigger pull was long, but smoothed out nicely with a little use. I'd say it's a great little handgun.
6/29/2010 6:29:00 AM
I had a P11 for about a week
I paid about $200 for it second hand.
Trigger sucked but I could get pretty good groups with it
It also had a very tight chamber, I polished it up the night before I had it stolen out of my truck...
It did it's job, I wanted a cheap gun to serve as a truck gun, I only wish it served for longer than a week...
Now I have a S&W Model 10 that I paid $230 for in a lock box, it's a way better pistol than that P11 was.
I paid about $200 for it second hand.
Trigger sucked but I could get pretty good groups with it
It also had a very tight chamber, I polished it up the night before I had it stolen out of my truck...
It did it's job, I wanted a cheap gun to serve as a truck gun, I only wish it served for longer than a week...
Now I have a S&W Model 10 that I paid $230 for in a lock box, it's a way better pistol than that P11 was.
6/30/2010 12:05:16 AM
I have a P-11. Out of the box it had a very bad feeding issue and would jam after each shot. I was disgusted and threw it in the back of the closet. Four years later, I wised up and contacted their CS. They said send it in, which I did.
Since it came back, it has shot flawlessly. Even so, I hated shooting it. Kicks like a mule compared to my Sigs and Bersa's.
However, after several hundred rounds down the pipe, I have grown an odd fondness for that little gun and frequently use it as a carry. For $200....I'd buy it knowing what I know now.
Since it came back, it has shot flawlessly. Even so, I hated shooting it. Kicks like a mule compared to my Sigs and Bersa's.
However, after several hundred rounds down the pipe, I have grown an odd fondness for that little gun and frequently use it as a carry. For $200....I'd buy it knowing what I know now.
7/17/2010 3:39:33 AM
Had mine for probably 10-12 years now. It has served as a BUG and concealed carry. I have to qual with it at least once a year. On average I put a couple hundred rounds through it a year with no problems. The trigger is long but hasn't seemed to be a problem. As others have said, it packs a lot of gun in a little package. I find it much more enjoyable to shoot than the .32 or .380 kel tecs. I got the parkerized finish on mine and it has been super durable considering it has been completely submerged in a creek once for 20 minutes or so and a lot of IWB carry.
7/17/2010 8:47:48 PM
I have a P11 that's my ccw. The trigger pull is long but smooth and the gun has NEVER jammed on me. It
is box stock without the fluff and buff.
It is small and light, holds 10+ 1 in the pipe. The trigger on the PF9 is better except the P11 is second strike capable.
The trigger can be mastered with practice.
I got a Glock 19 to replace it , but the size and weight keeps me going back to the P11.
I carry it every day and trust my life with it.
CDA
is box stock without the fluff and buff.
It is small and light, holds 10+ 1 in the pipe. The trigger on the PF9 is better except the P11 is second strike capable.
The trigger can be mastered with practice.
I got a Glock 19 to replace it , but the size and weight keeps me going back to the P11.
I carry it every day and trust my life with it.
CDA
7/22/2010 11:42:31 AM
for $200 or less...maybe
7/22/2010 12:01:15 PM
i've had a P-11 for about 4 years and it's been dead nuts reliable. yeah, the trigger is shitty, but i could still keep 5 out of 10 shots on a man size kill zone at 100yds.
8/7/2010 7:59:46 PM
I just picked up a P11 for about $245 tax tag and title.
Added a S&W 12rd mag from CDNN. ($30ish bucks.)
A steel guide rod, grip extension for the S&W mag and belt clip from Kel Tec. ($20ish bucks)
After handling and adding the parts this morning I headed out and dumped 100rd of Win White box informally at my local dirt pile.
First thoughts: Indeed the trigger is LONG but not not unmanageable. It kind of reminds me of a two stage rifle trigger...in fact that's how I used it at extended ranges 40+ yards (yes I understand that's not the intended range)
Regarding the trigger, the only serious problem with it was operator error in that I failed to allow the trigger to fully reset once or twice.
Reliability was excellent, my single failure was with the very first mag and a failure to fully cycle properly (feeding....To be honest I'm not 100% sure it wasn't from operator error.)
Handling...depends on the magazine used: with the factory 10rd it was noticeable jumpy the short grip was kind of a fight to manage while firing.
With the 12mag and extension it was a whole different experience- easy to manage and control recoil.
As this is my first plastic/compact 9mm (full size 45s and snub 38s until now) I found the extra length magazine an aid to shooting and would be a must have for training and familiarity/informal range trips.
Overall thoughts: No, I'm sure its not a Glock.... but find me a Glock with a basic load for around 300 bucks.
I do like my Bulg Mak 9x18 and still consider it a great low cost handgun but spare mags are costly the 9x18 round has limited options in addition it is all steel and a bit on the chunky side.
Are there other low cost options out there?...yes, there are plenty of used firearms that would fit the bill....but don't forget the key word is used.
You can't be 100% confident that any used gun isn't simply someone else lemon..... much less guaranty that any particular used handgun can be found on demand.
I think the P11 fills a roll that few other pistols do....a low cost "reliable", easy to conceal, easy to locate firearm for the not particularly gun savvy freedom loving Americans.
The P11 would make a great loner for friends or family who desire the means to protect themselves but don't have the funds.
In the perfect world everyone has the funds and knowledge to find a high end plastic wonder9 equipped it with all the needed gear and turn themselves into lethal defensive machines.
But this is not the perfect world and Kel Tec recognizes that and claims nothing else then a low cost dependable option for the masses.
It is low cost, concealable, dependable and available.
insure that the intended shooter understands and can physically perform the more difficult aspects of the handgun :loading magazines, slide racking/realising and trigger control spend some time at the range and they will be far better off then if all they had to arms themselves was a phone and heavy household object.
Added a S&W 12rd mag from CDNN. ($30ish bucks.)
A steel guide rod, grip extension for the S&W mag and belt clip from Kel Tec. ($20ish bucks)
After handling and adding the parts this morning I headed out and dumped 100rd of Win White box informally at my local dirt pile.
First thoughts: Indeed the trigger is LONG but not not unmanageable. It kind of reminds me of a two stage rifle trigger...in fact that's how I used it at extended ranges 40+ yards (yes I understand that's not the intended range)
Regarding the trigger, the only serious problem with it was operator error in that I failed to allow the trigger to fully reset once or twice.
Reliability was excellent, my single failure was with the very first mag and a failure to fully cycle properly (feeding....To be honest I'm not 100% sure it wasn't from operator error.)
Handling...depends on the magazine used: with the factory 10rd it was noticeable jumpy the short grip was kind of a fight to manage while firing.
With the 12mag and extension it was a whole different experience- easy to manage and control recoil.
As this is my first plastic/compact 9mm (full size 45s and snub 38s until now) I found the extra length magazine an aid to shooting and would be a must have for training and familiarity/informal range trips.
Overall thoughts: No, I'm sure its not a Glock.... but find me a Glock with a basic load for around 300 bucks.
I do like my Bulg Mak 9x18 and still consider it a great low cost handgun but spare mags are costly the 9x18 round has limited options in addition it is all steel and a bit on the chunky side.
Are there other low cost options out there?...yes, there are plenty of used firearms that would fit the bill....but don't forget the key word is used.
You can't be 100% confident that any used gun isn't simply someone else lemon..... much less guaranty that any particular used handgun can be found on demand.
I think the P11 fills a roll that few other pistols do....a low cost "reliable", easy to conceal, easy to locate firearm for the not particularly gun savvy freedom loving Americans.
The P11 would make a great loner for friends or family who desire the means to protect themselves but don't have the funds.
In the perfect world everyone has the funds and knowledge to find a high end plastic wonder9 equipped it with all the needed gear and turn themselves into lethal defensive machines.
But this is not the perfect world and Kel Tec recognizes that and claims nothing else then a low cost dependable option for the masses.
It is low cost, concealable, dependable and available.
insure that the intended shooter understands and can physically perform the more difficult aspects of the handgun :loading magazines, slide racking/realising and trigger control spend some time at the range and they will be far better off then if all they had to arms themselves was a phone and heavy household object.
8/8/2010 9:58:22 AM
Originally Posted By T1NMAN:
I just picked up a P11 for about $245 tax tag and title.
Added a S&W 12rd mag from CDNN. ($30ish bucks.)
A steel guide rod, grip extension for the S&W mag and belt clip from Kel Tec. ($20ish bucks)
After handling and adding the parts this morning I headed out and dumped 100rd of Win White box informally at my local dirt pile.
First thoughts: Indeed the trigger is LONG but not not unmanageable. It kind of reminds me of a two stage rifle trigger...in fact that's how I used it at extended ranges 40+ yards (yes I understand that's not the intended range)
Regarding the trigger, the only serious problem with it was operator error in that I failed to allow the trigger to fully reset once or twice.
Reliability was excellent, my single failure was with the very first mag and a failure to fully cycle properly (feeding....To be honest I'm not 100% sure it wasn't from operator error.)
Handling...depends on the magazine used: with the factory 10rd it was noticeable jumpy the short grip was kind of a fight to manage while firing.
With the 12mag and extension it was a whole different experience- easy to manage and control recoil.
As this is my first plastic/compact 9mm (full size 45s and snub 38s until now) I found the extra length magazine an aid to shooting and would be a must have for training and familiarity/informal range trips.
Overall thoughts: No, I'm sure its not a Glock.... but find me a Glock with a basic load for around 300 bucks.
I do like my Bulg Mak 9x18 and still consider it a great low cost handgun but spare mags are costly the 9x18 round has limited options in addition it is all steel and a bit on the chunky side.
Are there other low cost options out there?...yes, there are plenty of used firearms that would fit the bill....but don't forget the key word is used.
You can't be 100% confident that any used gun isn't simply someone else lemon..... much less guaranty that any particular used handgun can be found on demand.
I think the P11 fills a roll that few other pistols do....a low cost "reliable", easy to conceal, easy to locate firearm for the not particularly gun savvy freedom loving Americans.
The P11 would make a great loner for friends or family who desire the means to protect themselves but don't have the funds.
In the perfect world everyone has the funds and knowledge to find a high end plastic wonder9 equipped it with all the needed gear and turn themselves into lethal defensive machines.
But this is not the perfect world and Kel Tec recognizes that and claims nothing else then a low cost dependable option for the masses.
It is low cost, concealable, dependable and available.
insure that the intended shooter understands and can physically perform the more difficult aspects of the handgun :loading magazines, slide racking/realising and trigger control spend some time at the range and they will be far better off then if all they had to arms themselves was a phone and heavy household object.
I just picked up a P11 for about $245 tax tag and title.
Added a S&W 12rd mag from CDNN. ($30ish bucks.)
A steel guide rod, grip extension for the S&W mag and belt clip from Kel Tec. ($20ish bucks)
After handling and adding the parts this morning I headed out and dumped 100rd of Win White box informally at my local dirt pile.
First thoughts: Indeed the trigger is LONG but not not unmanageable. It kind of reminds me of a two stage rifle trigger...in fact that's how I used it at extended ranges 40+ yards (yes I understand that's not the intended range)
Regarding the trigger, the only serious problem with it was operator error in that I failed to allow the trigger to fully reset once or twice.
Reliability was excellent, my single failure was with the very first mag and a failure to fully cycle properly (feeding....To be honest I'm not 100% sure it wasn't from operator error.)
Handling...depends on the magazine used: with the factory 10rd it was noticeable jumpy the short grip was kind of a fight to manage while firing.
With the 12mag and extension it was a whole different experience- easy to manage and control recoil.
As this is my first plastic/compact 9mm (full size 45s and snub 38s until now) I found the extra length magazine an aid to shooting and would be a must have for training and familiarity/informal range trips.
Overall thoughts: No, I'm sure its not a Glock.... but find me a Glock with a basic load for around 300 bucks.
I do like my Bulg Mak 9x18 and still consider it a great low cost handgun but spare mags are costly the 9x18 round has limited options in addition it is all steel and a bit on the chunky side.
Are there other low cost options out there?...yes, there are plenty of used firearms that would fit the bill....but don't forget the key word is used.
You can't be 100% confident that any used gun isn't simply someone else lemon..... much less guaranty that any particular used handgun can be found on demand.
I think the P11 fills a roll that few other pistols do....a low cost "reliable", easy to conceal, easy to locate firearm for the not particularly gun savvy freedom loving Americans.
The P11 would make a great loner for friends or family who desire the means to protect themselves but don't have the funds.
In the perfect world everyone has the funds and knowledge to find a high end plastic wonder9 equipped it with all the needed gear and turn themselves into lethal defensive machines.
But this is not the perfect world and Kel Tec recognizes that and claims nothing else then a low cost dependable option for the masses.
It is low cost, concealable, dependable and available.
insure that the intended shooter understands and can physically perform the more difficult aspects of the handgun :loading magazines, slide racking/realising and trigger control spend some time at the range and they will be far better off then if all they had to arms themselves was a phone and heavy household object.
Good post and summary
