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Long trigger reset
7/22/2010 1:22:26 PM
Been eyeing up a CW9 lately and borrowed one from a friend to get familiarized with. The only thing I noticed that I don't really like is that the trigger reset is really long. Anyone else have an issue with this? My main concern is that it's a defensive weapon, which would likely be fired rapidly in such a situation, and I'm concerned that I wouldn't let the trigger out enough to reset it.
7/22/2010 3:39:40 PM
The Kahr's basic idea was to design a tiny 9mm automatic that had a trigger that felt like a tuned S&W revolver trigger.
The other half of that was an automatic that was as safe to carry as a double action revolver without any external safety.
Like a revolver, the Kahr has to have a long trigger reset.
Some people may have problems with reset if they aren't used to a DA revolver.
Another problem is that too many people modify pistols to have as light a trigger pull as possible thinking this is a "better" trigger.
It's not uncommon for these lighter actions to cause the shooter to have reset problems.
The answer to this is to just practice with the gun, since reset problems are operator induced unless the action has been altered to too light a pull.
The Kahr wasn't designed to be a full size service pistol like the Glock and other modern double action type guns. These have short resets, but aren't as safe to carry due to the short trigger pull.
The Kahr's intent was as a tiny personal defense gun that could be carried in any method that was safe for a revolver.
The Kahr can be fired very fast, just like a revolver, (see Jerry Miculek), but a true defense gun isn't a machine gun. It's designed to be a true "people shooter" not a speed match gun.
The answer to reset issues, (if you have them) is to just practice with the gun, which you should be doing with a defense gun anyway.
The other half of that was an automatic that was as safe to carry as a double action revolver without any external safety.
Like a revolver, the Kahr has to have a long trigger reset.
Some people may have problems with reset if they aren't used to a DA revolver.
Another problem is that too many people modify pistols to have as light a trigger pull as possible thinking this is a "better" trigger.
It's not uncommon for these lighter actions to cause the shooter to have reset problems.
The answer to this is to just practice with the gun, since reset problems are operator induced unless the action has been altered to too light a pull.
The Kahr wasn't designed to be a full size service pistol like the Glock and other modern double action type guns. These have short resets, but aren't as safe to carry due to the short trigger pull.
The Kahr's intent was as a tiny personal defense gun that could be carried in any method that was safe for a revolver.
The Kahr can be fired very fast, just like a revolver, (see Jerry Miculek), but a true defense gun isn't a machine gun. It's designed to be a true "people shooter" not a speed match gun.
The answer to reset issues, (if you have them) is to just practice with the gun, which you should be doing with a defense gun anyway.
7/23/2010 2:38:58 AM
I afirm the above advice. Since I'm close to Geezer Age and carried Smith K and L frames for many years, I just feel the long pull is NOT a handicap. Just practice, practice and practice some more. Now, if the trigger is longer than the K/L frame then I don't like it.
When we switched to Glocks in 1991, the head armorer tried to sell the Glock's short reset as giant advantage. I didn't buy it and still don't. I could empty a K frame into the X ring with amazing speed and accuracy (not any more) but that ability came with practice and that's how I got two trophies at the NRA Natl PPC two years in a row.
When we switched to Glocks in 1991, the head armorer tried to sell the Glock's short reset as giant advantage. I didn't buy it and still don't. I could empty a K frame into the X ring with amazing speed and accuracy (not any more) but that ability came with practice and that's how I got two trophies at the NRA Natl PPC two years in a row.
7/25/2010 12:20:29 PM
Definitely has a very long reset compared to Glock––Just train your finger, basically.
IMHO, the small size, hideability and the fact that it is very easy to shoot like a full-sized gun more than make up for the longer reset.
I've found that the thing that slows down my split times with the Kahr is the muzzle rise rather than the trigger reset length, if that makes sense––it's a much smaller, lighter gun than even a G19, the grip is smaller, less to hold on to. Physics is physics and it don't matter if you can jerk the trigger quick if you haven't recovered your sight alignment. We're talking .05 to .07 difference in split times.
I can hide my Kahr as easy as a smith j-frame, but shoot it as well as a full sized pistol. It will shoot 1.5 inch groups offhand at 25 yards, maybe better out of a rest. Even the baby glocks are so fat they're a lot harder to hide.
In the end, there ain't no magic. I think the Kahr is about the best balance of concealability and shootability. The reset ain't much to worry about.
IMHO, the small size, hideability and the fact that it is very easy to shoot like a full-sized gun more than make up for the longer reset.
I've found that the thing that slows down my split times with the Kahr is the muzzle rise rather than the trigger reset length, if that makes sense––it's a much smaller, lighter gun than even a G19, the grip is smaller, less to hold on to. Physics is physics and it don't matter if you can jerk the trigger quick if you haven't recovered your sight alignment. We're talking .05 to .07 difference in split times.
I can hide my Kahr as easy as a smith j-frame, but shoot it as well as a full sized pistol. It will shoot 1.5 inch groups offhand at 25 yards, maybe better out of a rest. Even the baby glocks are so fat they're a lot harder to hide.
In the end, there ain't no magic. I think the Kahr is about the best balance of concealability and shootability. The reset ain't much to worry about.
8/1/2010 9:38:41 PM
i just wanted to add, though im not an experienced khar shooter, i just put one on layaway after falln in love with the thing, i love the trigger on the khar. Yes its long, but smooth as silk!! its very smooth, almost sig-like smooth if not better. feels like ballbearings glidn on ice!! im sure itl take some getting used to especially if your coming from a glock like i am, but i agree also some practice will fix any issues u have. Since im not a seasoned khar shooter, take my advice with a grain of salt if u wish. just wanted to add how nice i believe the triiger felt on it. it was one of my main selling points aside from being small and thin. hard to find a 9mm with a single stack magazine unless ur spending a grand on a 1911/9mm platform
8/9/2010 6:43:24 PM
I shortened my trigger 1/4" and made a lot of difference in the feel of the pull to me.
8/10/2010 3:33:36 AM
Originally Posted By shadowcop:
I shortened my trigger 1/4" and made a lot of difference in the feel of the pull to me.
I shortened my trigger 1/4" and made a lot of difference in the feel of the pull to me.
how'd you shorten the trigger?
8/10/2010 9:17:50 AM
Dremel and a cutting wheel. I smoothed it and put a thin layer of epoxy on the tip. Feels much better to me.
8/11/2010 1:12:25 PM
Originally Posted By shadowcop:
Dremel and a cutting wheel. I smoothed it and put a thin layer of epoxy on the tip. Feels much better to me.
Dremel and a cutting wheel. I smoothed it and put a thin layer of epoxy on the tip. Feels much better to me.
So you actually took 1/4" off the length of the trigger? Pictures?
8/11/2010 11:07:51 PM
Sorry for the shadow
8/13/2010 11:30:24 AM
After spending some time with my coworkers CW9, I agree that it's just a matter of training. As such, I currently have my own CW9 inbound to my FFL
8/13/2010 10:40:52 PM
congrats, i have a P9 on the way myself. i see no issues some practice cant cure
8/17/2010 7:39:27 PM
I agree that practice will teach you how to shoot it. In my case, I just needed to make the pull better for me. My finger has an extreme downward curve on the trigger.
