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 .45 Long Colt for self defense
D-Thud  [Member]
1/12/2008 4:56:38 PM EST
I have a .45 Colt revolver in my night stand, currently loaded with Winchester Silvertip JHP's. I'm curious if a Lead semi-wadcutter is a serviceable defensive round as well. Something like a Keith style bullet around 250 Grain pushed out to about 900-1000 fps.
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douglasmorris99  [Team Member]
1/12/2008 5:01:44 PM EST
seemed to work for 60 or 70 years
stevemc  [Team Member]
1/12/2008 5:35:16 PM EST
Sure it will work, just be cautious of where your round will be going after it zips through the bad guy.

With not stick with the Silvertip or go with something like a 250gr Speer Gold Dot at 900fps?
wetidlerjr  [Life Member]
1/13/2008 9:19:19 AM EST
Buffalo Bore JHP 260 gr. (1450 FPS)



A big bang for your buck !
stevemc  [Team Member]
1/13/2008 9:32:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:
Buffalo Bore JHP 260 gr. (1450 FPS)

www.buffalobore.com/ammunition/images/heavy45260.jpg

A big bang for your buck !


Definitely not a "Self Defense" load, unless you are defending yourself against a grizzly.
NVGdude  [Member]
1/13/2008 10:02:59 AM EST
Gold Dot 250 Grain HP.

Expensive, but huge HP.
BuffLuver  [Team Member]
1/13/2008 10:11:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:
Buffalo Bore JHP 260 gr. (1450 FPS)

www.buffalobore.com/ammunition/images/heavy45260.jpg

A big bang for your buck !



ZOINKS!!!!!!!!!!!! Man, that is darn hot for that big chunk of lead!!!!!!!!!
nf9648  [Member]
1/13/2008 10:19:26 AM EST
Now if only someone made a 4" barrel DA revolver in .45 LC...
Rabon  [Team Member]
1/13/2008 1:38:52 PM EST
Ruger is chambering the 4" Redhawk in 45 Colt.
wetidlerjr  [Life Member]
1/13/2008 3:59:15 PM EST

Originally Posted By BuffLuver:

Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:
Buffalo Bore JHP 260 gr. (1450 FPS)

www.buffalobore.com/ammunition/images/heavy45260.jpg

A big bang for your buck !



ZOINKS!!!!!!!!!!!! Man, that is darn hot for that big chunk of lead!!!!!!!!!


And I've fired some out of this:



ar15hookem  [Member]
1/13/2008 4:19:05 PM EST
When I am at the family ranch I carry a vaquero loaded with 300grain +p corbon hollow points.

Works on cows and deer along with the odd coyote.

I figure it will work on the 2 legged varmits, sheet rock, car, truck............... I know the big round barrel scares the heck out of tresspassers that try to steel equipment or gas at the ranch.
HunterGren  [Team Member]
1/13/2008 11:28:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By nf9648:
Now if only someone made a 4" barrel DA revolver in .45 LC...


www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=89452679
NVGdude  [Member]
1/14/2008 3:59:15 PM EST

Originally Posted By nf9648:
Now if only someone made a 4" barrel DA revolver in .45 LC...


Look around for a used Dan Wesson.
nf9648  [Member]
1/14/2008 4:02:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By Rabon:
Ruger is chambering the 4" Redhawk in 45 Colt.


Normal redhawk, not super redhawk? I may have to check this out, thanks!
machinisttx  [Team Member]
1/15/2008 1:40:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:
Buffalo Bore JHP 260 gr. (1450 FPS)

www.buffalobore.com/ammunition/images/heavy45260.jpg

A big bang for your buck !


Since the OP didn't post the brand of revolver he has, suggesting a higher than SAAMI pressure load is probably not the best of ideas. OP might not like it if he touched off one of those rounds in a SAA or replica and the gun spontaneously disassembled....


Just a thought.
wetidlerjr  [Life Member]
1/15/2008 6:00:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By machinisttx:

Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:
Buffalo Bore JHP 260 gr. (1450 FPS)

www.buffalobore.com/ammunition/images/heavy45260.jpg

A big bang for your buck !


Since the OP didn't post the brand of revolver he has, suggesting a higher than SAAMI pressure load is probably not the best of ideas. OP might not like it if he touched off one of those rounds in a SAA or replica and the gun spontaneously disassembled....


Just a thought.


And did I suggest that he do anything remotely resembling that ? You might have noted that I showed the revolver I fired them in. It is a LARGE-FRAME Ruger Vaquero which is more than capable of handling that round. Yeah, right. Just a thought.
machinisttx  [Team Member]
1/16/2008 7:57:43 AM EST
You didn't post pics of the gun until later, so you still fail.

Posting nothing more than a pic of the ammo is a suggestion that OP buy and use said ammo in whatever gun he has, not the one you have.
amd6547  [Member]
1/16/2008 10:19:59 AM EST
sheesh!, Like a bunch of old women.
wetidlerjr  [Life Member]
1/16/2008 12:39:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By amd6547:
sheesh!, Like a bunch of old women.


Pretty much !
Eukatae  [Team Member]
1/16/2008 12:42:56 PM EST
Well I guess I will have to say it:

What is this ".45 Long Colt" of which you speak?
21BoomCBTENGR  [Team Member]
1/16/2008 12:50:15 PM EST

Originally Posted By machinisttx:
You didn't post pics of the gun until later, so you still fail.

Posting nothing more than a pic of the ammo is a suggestion that OP buy and use said ammo in whatever gun he has, not the one you have.


uhm, anything garnered from the internet should be seasoned with common sense, if the op doesn't have that in his mental spicerack then anything you say isn't gonna matter either.
amd6547  [Member]
1/16/2008 1:21:25 PM EST
If you are a fan of high performance 45LC ammo, you owe it to yourself to try DoubleTap's loads. I have fired all three varieties through my Blackhawk, and they are HOT! Plus, they come in 50 round boxes at a reasonable price.
wetidlerjr  [Life Member]
1/16/2008 1:23:20 PM EST

Originally Posted By 21BoomCBTENGR:

Originally Posted By machinisttx:
You didn't post pics of the gun until later, so you still fail.

Posting nothing more than a pic of the ammo is a suggestion that OP buy and use said ammo in whatever gun he has, not the one you have.


uhm, anything garnered from the internet should be seasoned with common sense, if the op doesn't have that in his mental spicerack then anything you say isn't gonna matter either.


Pretty much my thoughts. When I finally decided to purchase the aforementioned scary ammo, I had done my homework concerning it and the proper firearm to use it in. At some point the responsibility comes back to YOU. Or, we can all start posting disclaimers to all posts so as to ease the minds of the "panties-in-a-bunch" group. And after that, disclaimers to the disclaimer.
(Buffalo Bore does have a warning sticker on the ammo box, also.)
S_Mortium  [Member]
1/18/2008 2:48:50 AM EST
Or! look at cowboy loads around 750 ft per sec 255 grain. Easy to shoot, will do the job with anyone able to shoot it.
wetidlerjr  [Life Member]
1/18/2008 3:06:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By S_Mortium:
Or! look at cowboy loads around 750 ft per sec 255 grain. Easy to shoot, will do the job with anyone able to shoot it.


True that !

ETA: And those are what I fire normally in my 45LC revolvers. I use the Buffalo Bore loads for when I CCW my Sheriffs Model Ruger.
cigardad  [Member]
1/18/2008 6:31:13 AM EST
Buffalo Bore has a "standard pressure" 255 gr. Keith at 950 fps from my Sokol modified 58 that is now a .45 Colt. Good enough to ride the river with...

wetidlerjr  [Life Member]
1/18/2008 8:08:12 AM EST

Originally Posted By cigardad:
Buffalo Bore has a "standard pressure" 255 gr. Keith at 950 fps from my Sokol modified 58 that is now a .45 Colt. Good enough to ride the river with...




Nice pistola !
Doctor_Chicago  [Life Member]
1/18/2008 9:05:52 AM EST
I use My S&W 25-9 45 Colt in 6" Blue Revolver

200 gr JHP CCI Blazer
BUIS  [Member]
1/18/2008 9:33:26 AM EST

Originally Posted By cigardad:
Buffalo Bore has a "standard pressure" 255 gr. Keith at 950 fps from my Sokol modified 58 that is now a .45 Colt. Good enough to ride the river with...

i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/cigardad/_DSC0635.jpg

Very nice! don't have any boating accidents
SkagSig40  [Member]
1/18/2008 11:44:27 AM EST

Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:

Originally Posted By cigardad:
Buffalo Bore has a "standard pressure" 255 gr. Keith at 950 fps from my Sokol modified 58 that is now a .45 Colt. Good enough to ride the river with...

i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/cigardad/_DSC0635.jpg



Nice pistola !


Would that Smith safely take a full power load like a Buffalo Bore?
cigardad  [Member]
1/18/2008 1:16:46 PM EST
Thanks for the kind words...

I would not put a full power load in this one. The cylinder walls are pretty thin in places. You're safe with any standard pressure load but I would save the hot ones for a Ruger.

I really have "thing" for .45 Colt. This one is a S&W 26-1. One of forty contract over runs without the Georgia State Police Markings. Shoots as good as it looks.

CaptSchofield  [Team Member]
1/18/2008 1:31:03 PM EST
I did carry my 5' Schofield SA revolver for a while loaded with 255 semi wad cutters @ 900 fps I did feel very confident in the ability of that load to dampen any ambitions of any agressor.

machinisttx  [Team Member]
1/18/2008 4:24:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By SkagSig40:

Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:

Originally Posted By cigardad:
Buffalo Bore has a "standard pressure" 255 gr. Keith at 950 fps from my Sokol modified 58 that is now a .45 Colt. Good enough to ride the river with...

i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/cigardad/_DSC0635.jpg



Nice pistola !


Would that Smith safely take a full power load like a Buffalo Bore?


No. The buffalo bore and equivalent loads need to be used in "Old Model" Ruger Vaqueros, Blackhawks, Freedom Arms, or other heavy duty wheelguns.
uglygun  [Member]
1/18/2008 4:30:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By cigardad:


I really have "thing" for .45 Colt. This one is a S&W 26-1. One of forty contract over runs without the Georgia State Police Markings. Shoots as good as it looks.




AWESOME FIND! I'd love to get a 1950 Target 45LC and I know just how rare they are, the 26-1 doesn't get much better. Though I'd prefer a 5 screw I would be pleased as punch with a 26-1.
Pale-Rider  [Team Member]
1/18/2008 5:19:43 PM EST

Originally Posted By nf9648:
Now if only someone made a 4" barrel DA revolver in .45 LC...


Ruger is making a Redhawk, but a friend recently said he saw one for $650 which seems high to me. S&W has a few different models, including a Mountain Gun that they have marketed in the past. The S&W's won't take heavy 45 Colt loads though.
CaptSchofield  [Team Member]
1/19/2008 4:15:43 AM EST

Originally Posted By Pale-Rider:

Originally Posted By nf9648:
Now if only someone made a 4" barrel DA revolver in .45 LC...


Ruger is making a Redhawk, but a friend recently said he saw one for $650 which seems high to me. S&W has a few different models, including a Mountain Gun that they have marketed in the past. The S&W's won't take heavy 45 Colt loads though.


RUGER 4" barrel DA revolver in .45 LC


liquiddeputy  [Member]
1/19/2008 3:45:35 PM EST
.45LC for HD? Absolutely! And by the way, the Speer GD 250's have a COLOSSAL hollow point!!! I keep them loaded, and am quite confident they'll do their part at "only" 900ft/s. I'm a very big fan of the general-purpose 250 LFP @ 1000 ft/s, but over penetration could be a potential downfall--they ain't gonna stop for awhile.

Gunblast is a cool site, too--this is the same gun I own!

I just switched my Ahrends wood grips off my .45LC Mountain Gun in favor of a Hogue; on the blued gun it looks like $#i+, but it sure suits the purpose better. I also dropped in a Wolff Spring Pack for a smoother, lighter pull. Now I just need a tritium front sight, and I'll be set to go! (Any ideas/vendors?)
KT45  [Member]
1/20/2008 6:49:16 AM EST
I'm late getting to this discussion (I just joined ar15.com), but here's my 2 cents:

The original .45 Colt loading has served well for over 100 years. When I'm woodsbumming I carry a Uberti replica of a Peacemaker with a 4-5/8" barrel loaded with a 250 grain RNFP bullet pushed by 8.0 grains of Unique. I'm VERY confident in this revolver/cartridge combo.

I've never understood the need to "magnumize" the .45 Colt (ain't that what the .454s are for?) Of course, that said, when I'm handgun hunting deer or elk I have a 7-1/2" Blackhawk that I load with either CarBon or Buffalo Bore "Heavy" Colt ammo. I use the heavier revolver/ammo combination to meet Division of Wildlife requirements for downrange energy required for big game.

Anyway, I agree with others here that the .45 Colt is an excellent self-defense round. I would never hesitate to stake my life on it.
cyclone  [Team Member]
1/20/2008 7:31:04 AM EST
Very nice! What kind of grips are those?


Originally Posted By cigardad:
Buffalo Bore has a "standard pressure" 255 gr. Keith at 950 fps from my Sokol modified 58 that is now a .45 Colt. Good enough to ride the river with...

i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/cigardad/_DSC0635.jpg
cigardad  [Member]
1/20/2008 10:47:08 AM EST
Those are by Craig Spegel as are the ones on the 26-1. He makes some nice stocks.

Thanks for noticing.
cyclone  [Team Member]
1/20/2008 12:48:16 PM EST
good thread........I am pondering either a .45 ACP, 45 LC or 44 special revolver, and the LC is a pretty attractive round.........how does it compare cost wise to the others?
liquiddeputy  [Member]
1/21/2008 8:06:56 AM EST

Originally Posted By cyclone:
I am pondering either a .45 ACP, 45 LC or 44 special revolver, and the LC is a pretty attractive round....how does it compare cost wise to the others?


I was gonna fire blindly on this one, but why not use real data, since I'm curious now, owning 2 of the 3 myself. Obviously, by volume of shooters, .45ACP will be cheapest. From MidwayUSA.com, prices in apples-to-apples format:

Plinking, 50/box:
Magtech 45ACP 230gr FMJ: $17.99
Magtech 45LC 200gr LFN, $27.99
Magtech 44Sp. Cowboy 240 LFN: $27.99 (whoa! steal!)

Defense, 20rnds/box:
.45ACP, 230gr Speer Gold Dot Hollow Point, $23.99
.45 Colt, 250gr Speer GDHP, , $28.99
.44 Spec., 200gr Speer GDHP, $28.49

What is your intended purpose for the gun? Plinker? CCW? Bear attacks? S&W Mountain guns are all over online in .45LC for around $500, but they're a bit big for concealed carry (not impossible, just big). Like others mentioned, a 3" 696 in 44SP would be nicer, but harder to find. If you're just punching paper, I'll tell you the one I ~almost~ walked out with was the S&W 625 Jerry Miculek Edition! It runs on full moon clips, shoots .45, and would just be a hoot to shoot 185gr wadcutters out of, making clean, perfect round holes!

My reason, however, was slightly different, wanting to potentially hunt with mine, so I went with 45LC in the Mountain Gun, and now have the ability to throw 250gr up to 300gr downrange at a respectable speed for deer, boar, or whatever. Similar platforms, slightly different jobs.

A 625 in 45ACP would be a sweet, sweet shooter... or you could get a 3" 629, in .44 Mag, and mostly shoot .44 Spec's, too, which was my other route... I need more cash!
cyclone  [Team Member]
1/22/2008 5:32:09 AM EST
Thanks for the reply...........the intended revolver will be mostly for the house, but sometimes I will carry it in my car. I had been looking at the S&W 22-4 and 21-4, but also the 625............so home defense predominantly, but also in the car at times.......my CCW is a compact 9mm


Originally Posted By liquiddeputy:

Originally Posted By cyclone:
I am pondering either a .45 ACP, 45 LC or 44 special revolver, and the LC is a pretty attractive round....how does it compare cost wise to the others?


I was gonna fire blindly on this one, but why not use real data, since I'm curious now, owning 2 of the 3 myself. Obviously, by volume of shooters, .45ACP will be cheapest. From MidwayUSA.com, prices in apples-to-apples format:

Plinking, 50/box:
Magtech 45ACP 230gr FMJ: $17.99
Magtech 45LC 200gr LFN, $27.99
Magtech 44Sp. Cowboy 240 LFN: $27.99 (whoa! steal!)

Defense, 20rnds/box:
.45ACP, 230gr Speer Gold Dot Hollow Point, $23.99
.45 Colt, 250gr Speer GDHP, , $28.99
.44 Spec., 200gr Speer GDHP, $28.49

What is your intended purpose for the gun? Plinker? CCW? Bear attacks? S&W Mountain guns are all over online in .45LC for around $500, but they're a bit big for concealed carry (not impossible, just big). Like others mentioned, a 3" 696 in 44SP would be nicer, but harder to find. If you're just punching paper, I'll tell you the one I ~almost~ walked out with was the S&W 625 Jerry Miculek Edition! It runs on full moon clips, shoots .45, and would just be a hoot to shoot 185gr wadcutters out of, making clean, perfect round holes!

My reason, however, was slightly different, wanting to potentially hunt with mine, so I went with 45LC in the Mountain Gun, and now have the ability to throw 250gr up to 300gr downrange at a respectable speed for deer, boar, or whatever. Similar platforms, slightly different jobs.

A 625 in 45ACP would be a sweet, sweet shooter... or you could get a 3" 629, in .44 Mag, and mostly shoot .44 Spec's, too, which was my other route... I need more cash!
Strela  [Member]
1/22/2008 9:20:51 AM EST
Not a Smith, but I have a Taurus Model 450 Ultralight as a carry gun. I'm very happy with it and feel well-armed with quality ammo. I switched the "Ribber" grips for "Compact" grips since the former tended to stick to cover garments.
K2QB3  [Member]
1/31/2008 9:49:27 PM EST
I keep Speer Gold dots over a warm load of blue dot or unique in my FA97 .45 for SD, hot but still subsonic.

I've fired the Buffalo bore load mentioned above through it, and similar handloads, they're no fun at all in a 36oz revolver.
scatterbrains  [Team Member]
2/5/2008 8:56:20 AM EST
I have a Ruger Bisley-Vaquero in 45lc with the 4 5/8" barrel my favorite gun to shoot.
I've spent alot of time making up loads for it and can keep a whole cylinder full in the 10 at 15yds. I have no doubt that this would deter anybody Im runnin lasercast 250lrnfp with 9gr. unigue. Love this load.
Havent tried any of the hot ammo cause im really not sure if the gun can take it, so i dont bother.
BUIS  [Member]
2/5/2008 10:11:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By scatterbrains:
I have a Ruger Bisley-Vaquero in 45lc with the 4 5/8" barrel my favorite gun to shoot.
I've spent alot of time making up loads for it and can keep a whole cylinder full in the 10 at 15yds. I have no doubt that this would deter anybody Im runnin lasercast 250lrnfp with 9gr. unigue. Love this load.
Havent tried any of the hot ammo cause im really not sure if the gun can take it, so i dont bother.

If it's the large frame Vaquero and not the "New Vaquero" it's as strong as a Blackhawk, if it's the "New Vaquero" with the smaller frame then it's only strong enough for sane people
scuba_ed  [Member]
2/5/2008 10:23:50 AM EST

Originally Posted By douglasmorris99:
seemed to work for 60 or 70 years


Has worked for over 130 years.


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