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 S&W Model 60 with 3" barrel and adjustable sights
Cheesebeast  [Team Member]
3/30/2012 4:47:41 AM EST
Greetings,

I have been interested in a S&W Model 60 with a 3" barrel and adjustable sights for a number of years. My question is how accurate they are with wadcutters. I would like a light kit gun with a bit more "oomph" than a .22lr. I have a Model 63 .22lr but it isn't as accurate as I would like and needs some custom work done on it.

I would be happy with a .32 of some form as well, but the .357 model seems much more common and easily available (I will probably end up buying a used one).

I also have the dies, brass, bullets, etc. to load .38 special loads.

If you think the idea insane please don't hesitate to hit me with a folding metal chair upside the head.

Thanks,
Cheese
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HellifIknow  [Team Member]
3/30/2012 4:52:18 AM EST
I had one a few years back.
Model 60 stainless .357. It was a fine gun. Unpleasant to fire with full power .357 but easy with light .38's.
Like an idiot I sold it.
You can't go wrong with it.
Cheesebeast  [Team Member]
3/30/2012 5:00:26 AM EST
Originally Posted By HellifIknow:
I had one a few years back.
Model 60 stainless .357. It was a fine gun. Unpleasant to fire with full power .357 but easy with light .38's.
Like an idiot I sold it.
You can't go wrong with it.


There would be a chance I would never put a single .357 round through it.

Do you think it would be intrinsically accurate enough to hit something the size of an empty 12 gauge shell at 10 yards?

I like to shoot grouse when I am out deer hunting.
HellifIknow  [Team Member]
3/30/2012 5:03:37 AM EST
Originally Posted By Cheesebeast:
Originally Posted By HellifIknow:
I had one a few years back.
Model 60 stainless .357. It was a fine gun. Unpleasant to fire with full power .357 but easy with light .38's.
Like an idiot I sold it.
You can't go wrong with it.


There would be a chance I would never put a single .357 round through it.

Do you think it would be intrinsically accurate enough to hit something the size of an empty 12 gauge shell at 10 yards?

I like to shoot grouse when I am out deer hunting.


Unpossible for me to answer. I can't shoot that well.


Seriously tho I could hit a soda can at 10yds all day with it.

echo_5  [Team Member]
3/30/2012 5:26:12 AM EST

Originally Posted By Cheesebeast:
Originally Posted By HellifIknow:
I had one a few years back.
Model 60 stainless .357. It was a fine gun. Unpleasant to fire with full power .357 but easy with light .38's.
Like an idiot I sold it.
You can't go wrong with it.


There would be a chance I would never put a single .357 round through it.

Do you think it would be intrinsically accurate enough to hit something the size of an empty 12 gauge shell at 10 yards?

I like to shoot grouse when I am out deer hunting.

Yes.

I've shot at .38spl brass with a Charter Off Duty from similar distance.

It will be even easier with a S&W revolver (better trigger).

Cheesebeast  [Team Member]
3/30/2012 6:23:16 AM EST
Originally Posted By HellifIknow:
Originally Posted By Cheesebeast:
Originally Posted By HellifIknow:
I had one a few years back.
Model 60 stainless .357. It was a fine gun. Unpleasant to fire with full power .357 but easy with light .38's.
Like an idiot I sold it.
You can't go wrong with it.


There would be a chance I would never put a single .357 round through it.

Do you think it would be intrinsically accurate enough to hit something the size of an empty 12 gauge shell at 10 yards?

I like to shoot grouse when I am out deer hunting.


Unpossible for me to answer. I can't shoot that well.


Seriously tho I could hit a soda can at 10yds all day with it.



LOL. I was careful to note "intrinsic" accuracy and not mention the loose nut behind the stocks in my case.
Cheesebeast  [Team Member]
3/30/2012 6:25:56 AM EST
Originally Posted By echo_5:

Originally Posted By Cheesebeast:
Originally Posted By HellifIknow:
I had one a few years back.
Model 60 stainless .357. It was a fine gun. Unpleasant to fire with full power .357 but easy with light .38's.
Like an idiot I sold it.
You can't go wrong with it.


There would be a chance I would never put a single .357 round through it.

Do you think it would be intrinsically accurate enough to hit something the size of an empty 12 gauge shell at 10 yards?

I like to shoot grouse when I am out deer hunting.

Yes.

I've shot at .38spl brass with a Charter Off Duty from similar distance.

It will be even easier with a S&W revolver (better trigger).



Empty brass makes for a challenging target indeed. I used an empty 12 gauge shell as a frame of reference as that is about the vital size of a grouse. It can't be easy being a grouse as they suffer from terminal deliciousness.


Rudison  [Team Member]
3/30/2012 6:40:17 AM EST
I had a basic trigger job done on mine as well as changing out the front sight to a sort of ramped Partridge.
John Blauvelt in NY did the work.

I love the gun, I have some 180gr. hard cast bullets that work really well...slow with freight train type impact.

Cheesebeast  [Team Member]
3/30/2012 6:54:15 AM EST
Originally Posted By Rudison:
I had a basic trigger job done on mine as well as changing out the front sight to a sort of ramped Partridge.
John Blauvelt in NY did the work.

I love the gun, I have some 180gr. hard cast bullets that work really well...slow with freight train type impact.



Sounds like a nice rig.

I haven't had a new S&W in....forever. Any issues with the MIM parts (from your gunsmith's perspective)?

Warhawk  [Team Member]
3/30/2012 7:19:51 AM EST
S&W has also made a 3 inch adj sighted model 60 in .38 Special.

Cheesebeast  [Team Member]
3/30/2012 7:31:30 AM EST
Originally Posted By Warhawk:
S&W has also made a 3 inch adj sighted model 60 in .38 Special.



I recall those but I never saw one "in the flesh".

Seems they were supplanted pretty quickly by the .357 version. Makes marketing sense I suppose.

I think they were also made in .32 H&R Magnum and recently in the ?.327 Magnum?.
Warhawk  [Team Member]
3/30/2012 7:55:08 AM EST
According to the SCSW ...

Model 60-4 .38 full underlug target model, 1990

Model 60-10 357 full underlug target model, 1996
akturbo  [Member]
3/30/2012 9:01:45 AM EST
My wife has one of the 60-4, .38 special., 3"
We specifically searched for one, as opposed to
the .357 chambering.

Of all the .357's I've ever had(including issued Mod 19 and Mod 66),
the only one that would shoot .38s as accurately as .357 was a
4 screw Mod 27 3 1/2".

My wife's Mod 60 is very accurate,
however as all J frames, it requires
extra concentration for me to shoot
tight groups with, as opposed to the larger
frame sizes.

Bob
Cheesebeast  [Team Member]
3/30/2012 10:21:45 AM EST
Originally Posted By akturbo:
My wife has one of the 60-4, .38 special., 3"
We specifically searched for one, as opposed to
the .357 chambering.

Of all the .357's I've ever had(including issued Mod 19 and Mod 66),
the only one that would shoot .38s as accurately as .357 was a
4 screw Mod 27 3 1/2".

My wife's Mod 60 is very accurate,
however as all J frames, it requires
extra concentration for me to shoot
tight groups with, as opposed to the larger
frame sizes.

Bob


Thanks for the reply. The overall size of the 3" J frame is one of the things that attracted me. I like adjustable sights as well, as I want to be able to truly zero the pistol in due to the small size of the intended target.

I will look around for a .38 Special Model 60. I figured they only made them for a few years so my chances of finding one were close to nil.
Rudison  [Team Member]
3/30/2012 1:06:47 PM EST
Originally Posted By Cheesebeast:
Originally Posted By Rudison:
I had a basic trigger job done on mine as well as changing out the front sight to a sort of ramped Partridge.
John Blauvelt in NY did the work.

I love the gun, I have some 180gr. hard cast bullets that work really well...slow with freight train type impact.



Sounds like a nice rig.

I haven't had a new S&W in....forever. Any issues with the MIM parts (from your gunsmith's perspective)?



Mine is the older 38spc. version...I have shot some +Ps in it just to judge point of impact.
They made a few blued guns with the same features, I also have an S&W 36 3" HB round butt fixed sights...sorta the old school version.

Warhawk  [Team Member]
3/30/2012 1:12:19 PM EST
I have had both the 38 and 357 versions, preferred the 38 but honestly like the 2 inch model 60 that I can just drop in a pocket better than either of the 3 inch guns.
jnielsen  [Member]
3/31/2012 1:58:08 AM EST
Smith made Quite a few model 36-1 .38 with 3 inch barrels,fixed sights. Came in both round and square butt. Both heavy and regular barrel profile. See these often on gunbroker.

There was also the model 36-6 blued version of the 60-4 with 3 inch full lug barrel and adjustable sights.
DanaHillen  [Team Member]
3/31/2012 2:58:54 AM EST
Originally Posted By Warhawk:
S&W has also made a 3 inch adj sighted model 60 in .38 Special.



I have a 3",.38 SPL ,Model 60 with adjustable sights.I bought it about 13 or 14 years ago.Mine is very accurate ––and fun to shoot––-with target velocity wadcutters.I rarely shoot high velocity "self defense" type ammo in it.....just enough to remain confident I can place my shots well.
My only complaint is that I haven't been able to find a concealment holster that I like.
Sockrotter  [Life Member]
3/31/2012 3:30:34 AM EST
This 60-4 PC is a .38 Special with a vented barrel; it's a very pleasant gun to shoot and quite accurate as well.


ikor  [Team Member]
3/31/2012 8:54:51 AM EST
The 60-4 is a great litte gun. They are out there but may be more than you want to pay now. I shoulda bought the one a friend had after he got tired of it and sold it for a song...but noooooo...I wanted another Glock...sigh
akturbo  [Member]
3/31/2012 5:15:49 PM EST
We had Lobo Leather make a holster for my wife's 60-4 3"

It fits perfectly, and she loves it!!


Originally Posted By DanaHillen:
Originally Posted By Warhawk:
S&W has also made a 3 inch adj sighted model 60 in .38 Special.



I have a 3",.38 SPL ,Model 60 with adjustable sights.I bought it about 13 or 14 years ago.Mine is very accurate ––and fun to shoot––-with target velocity wadcutters.I rarely shoot high velocity "self defense" type ammo in it.....just enough to remain confident I can place my shots well.
My only complaint is that I haven't been able to find a concealment holster that I like.


SD307  [Team Member]
4/4/2012 5:33:00 AM EST
J frames can be very accurate they have a good trigger and very fast in DA. outside of skill It depends more on the grips you choose than anything else small grips are hard to shoot weel with but you can get grips the size of a K frame for them.
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