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 The return of the S&W 586...
dep4532  [Member]
2/4/2012 8:42:39 AM
I'm happy to see this....

S&W 586

SD307  [Team Member]
2/4/2012 9:43:41 AM
To bad about the lock It is nice to see a 3in offer even if it is ported which makes no sense.
DrMark  [Team Member]
2/4/2012 9:49:21 AM
Meh.

I'd pay more for a used one without the lock.


LesBaer45  [Team Member]
2/4/2012 5:53:41 PM
Very nice.

Despite the lock I might pick one up if I was in a store with cash at the correct moment.

Hell as much as the used ones are bringing, might as well buy new.
M1A4ME  [Team Member]
2/4/2012 7:22:25 PM
The only revolver I've ever fired more accurate than my 586 was a buddy's M14 S&W .38 special. I need to dig mine out of the attic and let my son compare it to his Beretta 90-Two (he thinks its accurate )
JohnRippert  [Member]
2/5/2012 1:13:06 AM

That will make some folks happy.

I have never been a full lug fan on anything over 3 inch in barrel length and a lawyer lock is a no-go. They could make a no-lock version by leaving the hardware out and putting a different side plate on. Why don't they?
dep4532  [Member]
2/5/2012 2:07:19 AM
Originally Posted By JohnRippert:

That will make some folks happy.

I have never been a full lug fan on anything over 3 inch in barrel length and a lawyer lock is a no-go. They could make a no-lock version by leaving the hardware out and putting a different side plate on. Why don't they?


Liability reasons, I'm sure.

I think the 586 is just sexy...even more so than the 686. Even though it has the lock, it's on my list.

RDak  [Team Member]
2/5/2012 4:17:59 AM
That looks like a nice revolver.
Smallmouth  [Member]
2/5/2012 10:43:16 AM
I am glad to see them bringing it back and wish they wouldnt stop there with the wheelguns.
SD307  [Team Member]
2/5/2012 12:56:03 PM
Originally Posted By Smallmouth:
I am glad to see them bringing it back and wish they wouldnt stop there with the wheelguns.


Yes I must admit between this and last years re intro of the 27 S&W seems to be doing a good job of recreating the classic 357 line. I understand why they are not bringing back the 357 K frames

357 magnum is enjoying a renaissance in the current market led by the TRR8, 627, and to a lesser extent the chippa rhino I have no memory of so many good firearms chambered for the 357 magnum on the market at once.
Derek45  [Team Member]
2/5/2012 1:39:46 PM
My 1987 586-2
6"







I Love this thing


ziarifleman  [Team Member]
2/5/2012 1:42:36 PM
Originally Posted By Smallmouth:
I am glad to see them bringing it back and wish they wouldnt stop there with the wheelguns.


I want them to make the 547 again.
lithgow303  [Member]
2/8/2012 10:27:42 PM
a good used 586 will still probably about half the price of the new 586...

All that said, I do love my 581...

RifleCal30m1n00b  [Member]
2/19/2012 5:39:42 PM
Originally Posted By ziarifleman:
Originally Posted By Smallmouth:
I am glad to see them bringing it back and wish they wouldnt stop there with the wheelguns.


I want them to make the 547 again.


Heck, I'd be jonesing for a 4"-5" 696 or 596...
MaineAR  [Member]
2/19/2012 9:08:55 PM
i can't believe how much revolvers cost now. in the 80's we were buying 686's for $375.
dep4532  [Member]
2/20/2012 1:38:34 AM
The S&W revolvers hold their value, but I don't necessarily want to take out a second mortgage to afford one.

Thank god for tax returns....
Bladeswitcher  [Team Member]
2/20/2012 7:05:19 AM
Originally Posted By dep4532:
Originally Posted By JohnRippert:

That will make some folks happy.

I have never been a full lug fan on anything over 3 inch in barrel length and a lawyer lock is a no-go. They could make a no-lock version by leaving the hardware out and putting a different side plate on. Why don't they?


Liability reasons, I'm sure.

I think the 586 is just sexy...even more so than the 686. Even though it has the lock, it's on my list.



Right. Because every other gun on the market has a lock . . . Oh, right. NONE of my other guns have a lock. AR-15? Nope. AK? No lock. Glock? Nlock.
Brazos_Jack  [Member]
2/20/2012 7:20:28 AM
Originally Posted By DrMark:
Meh.

I'd pay more for a used one without the lock.




This +1,000,000,000,000,000,...
Brazos_Jack  [Member]
2/20/2012 7:22:42 AM
Originally Posted By ziarifleman:
Originally Posted By Smallmouth:
I am glad to see them bringing it back and wish they wouldnt stop there with the wheelguns.


I want them to make the 547 again.


That's the one S&W Re-Introduction that I might put up with the lock and mims parts for.
smokycity  [Member]
2/20/2012 8:58:00 AM


I use to have one of those back in the 80's, say 1985-86. I got it when they first came out, so mine might have been a 586-1. I also had a 686 and a 681. I regret selling all of them. But at the time I did it to finance the next "better" gun I wanted. If I find them again, I will put them back into the collection, now that I could afford them.
ArmaNotSoLite  [Team Member]
2/20/2012 9:05:47 AM
Originally Posted By Brazos_Jack:
Originally Posted By ziarifleman:
Originally Posted By Smallmouth:
I am glad to see them bringing it back and wish they wouldnt stop there with the wheelguns.


I want them to make the 547 again.


That's the one S&W Re-Introduction that I might put up with the lock and mims parts for.


Same here. The used versions are impossible to find and crazy expensive.
dep4532  [Member]
2/20/2012 9:14:38 AM
Originally Posted By Bladeswitcher:
Originally Posted By dep4532:
Originally Posted By JohnRippert:

That will make some folks happy.

I have never been a full lug fan on anything over 3 inch in barrel length and a lawyer lock is a no-go. They could make a no-lock version by leaving the hardware out and putting a different side plate on. Why don't they?


Liability reasons, I'm sure.

I think the 586 is just sexy...even more so than the 686. Even though it has the lock, it's on my list.



Right. Because every other gun on the market has a lock . . . Oh, right. NONE of my other guns have a lock. AR-15? Nope. AK? No lock. Glock? Nlock.


Wasn't the addition of the lock part of the Clinton sellout? Maybe I'm off....
SS109  [Team Member]
2/20/2012 9:18:47 AM
Nice, but I would love to see another Combat Model 19.

But beggars can't be choosers. Now if we could only afford to shoot it.
ArmaNotSoLite  [Team Member]
2/20/2012 9:19:49 AM
Originally Posted By dep4532:
Originally Posted By Bladeswitcher:
Originally Posted By dep4532:
Originally Posted By JohnRippert:

That will make some folks happy.

I have never been a full lug fan on anything over 3 inch in barrel length and a lawyer lock is a no-go. They could make a no-lock version by leaving the hardware out and putting a different side plate on. Why don't they?


Liability reasons, I'm sure.

I think the 586 is just sexy...even more so than the 686. Even though it has the lock, it's on my list.



Right. Because every other gun on the market has a lock . . . Oh, right. NONE of my other guns have a lock. AR-15? Nope. AK? No lock. Glock? Nlock.


Wasn't the addition of the lock part of the Clinton sellout? Maybe I'm off....


My buddy used to call the lock a "Hillary Hole".
klaxxon  [Team Member]
2/20/2012 5:49:19 PM
Originally Posted By ArmaNotSoLite:
Originally Posted By dep4532:
Originally Posted By Bladeswitcher:
Originally Posted By dep4532:
Originally Posted By JohnRippert:

That will make some folks happy.

I have never been a full lug fan on anything over 3 inch in barrel length and a lawyer lock is a no-go. They could make a no-lock version by leaving the hardware out and putting a different side plate on. Why don't they?


Liability reasons, I'm sure.

I think the 586 is just sexy...even more so than the 686. Even though it has the lock, it's on my list.



Right. Because every other gun on the market has a lock . . . Oh, right. NONE of my other guns have a lock. AR-15? Nope. AK? No lock. Glock? Nlock.


Wasn't the addition of the lock part of the Clinton sellout? Maybe I'm off....


My buddy used to call the lock a "Hillary Hole".


While everyone always assumes that politics and today's litigious society is behind it all, the decision to incorporate the lock was actually strictly business. And while everyone also says "...why don't they get rid of it, I'd buy a new one right away, hell look at all the sales S&W is losing out on by keeping it..." The management actually sees it the other way around.

Here's how it happened:

The notorious lock was invented and patented by a company called Saf-T-Hammer inc.

They went to Smith& Wesson with their product but It seems S&W wasn't interested in changing tooling nor paying royalties. The market was also a bust because nobody was willing to pay to have their gun retrofitted. So........


Saf-T-Hammer bought the S&W company out and now they have a special daily deal for gun buyers..., buy a lock and get a free gun with every purchase.

And for those that don't beleive:

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2001/05/14/daily1.html?page=allhttp://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2001/05/14/daily1.html?page=all
desmodue  [Member]
2/20/2012 9:49:45 PM


While everyone always assumes that politics and today's litigious society is behind it all, the decision to incorporate the lock was actually strictly business. And while everyone also says "...why don't they get rid of it, I'd buy a new one right away, hell look at all the sales S&W is losing out on by keeping it..." The management actually sees it the other way around.

Here's how it happened:

The notorious lock was invented and patented by a company called Saf-T-Hammer inc.

They went to Smith& Wesson with their product but It seems S&W wasn't interested in changing tooling nor paying royalties. The market was also a bust because nobody was willing to pay to have their gun retrofitted. So........


Saf-T-Hammer bought the S&W company out and now they have a special daily deal for gun buyers..., buy a lock and get a free gun with every purchase.

And for those that don't beleive:

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2001/05/14/daily1.html?page=allhttp://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2001/05/14/daily1.html?page=all


I suggest your statement is true...but highly inaccurate.

First, the founder and major shareholder of Saf-T-Hammer is not a stellar example of honest business practices. Several questionable "deals" where government officials and/or family members of government officials received shares in Saf-T-Hammer for compensations as "consultants" The acquisition of S&W by Saf-T-Hammer from Tomkins PLC was widely beleived to be influenced by the Clinton administration. But that is just a rumor, there is probably a perfectly good explanation why Tomkins sold a company that they bought for $112 million dollars for $15 million dollars. Saf-T-Hammer was essentially bankrupt at the time the deal was made.

Second, S&W absolutely saw no reason to invest in an idiotic device or to re-tool their factory, Saf-T-Hammer couldn't sell their "improvement" to any gun manufacturer. In fact Saf-T-Hammer itself knows that the only way they can sell their little jewel is by forcing owners to buy it by not offering a version WITHOUT the Saf-T-Hammer device.

Finally, the whole downfall started when S&W was sold to Bangor Punta in the 60's. The sugar giant poorly managed the company from the beginning, but the decision to ignore the semi-auto handgun market when it surged in the late 70's early 80's put them in the unfamiliar position of followers, not leaders. The ensuing rush to get semi-autos to market produced some underwhelming models.

At this same time there were two very unique situations in the handgun industry: The magnum craze set off by the Dirty Harry syndrome and then slightly later the 9mm phenomenon, when suddenly everyone needed a 15 round Wonder Nine. Smith and Wesson turned out some poor quality revolvers trying to keep up with demand for the Magnums and their semi-autos still didn't attract significant buyers.

Bangor Punta sold S&W to Lear Aerospace which did little with it before being absorbed themselves, S&W was put on the market yet again, in a panic to prevent Ruger from buying S&W the management team quickly accepted an offer from a british conglomerate; Tomkins PLC...and that took us to where we are today

As with most stories you will only get the truth when you follow the money

http://www.clintonlibrary.gov/assets/DigitalLibrary/BruceReed/Crime/82/647420-guns-child-safety-locks.pdf
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr16835.htm
http://hunting.about.com/library/weekly/aa010515.htm