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7/27/2011 6:41:43 PM
I recently purchased a used Kimber Raptor II. I took the gun out, fired it, I absolutely love it. It hits what I point it at, makes me look good. That was the good part of the purchase....
I tried to disassemble to clean it and I cannot get the slide off the main body. I'm kind of stuck in the middle. I have 2 other 1911's (neither Kimber) and thought I knew what I was doing. Here is what I did - I pulled the slide back and pulled the stop/pin out. From there, I thought, as with my other 1911's, I push the slide forward and proceed with cleaning. Well, that is where I F'ed up I guess. The slide is about an inch forward from normal position and it won't go forward or back. I've managed to take the spring out by rotating the end of the slide that holds both the barrel and spring/pin, but that did not do anything. I did not get a manual with the gun, looked online and it says something about not dropping the hammer while doing this. I don't remember doing anything like that but the hammer is back presently and the slide won't move much forward or back. Any ideas? Hopefully I don't have to get a gunsmith or Kimber involved....
Any help is greatly appreciated,
D
I tried to disassemble to clean it and I cannot get the slide off the main body. I'm kind of stuck in the middle. I have 2 other 1911's (neither Kimber) and thought I knew what I was doing. Here is what I did - I pulled the slide back and pulled the stop/pin out. From there, I thought, as with my other 1911's, I push the slide forward and proceed with cleaning. Well, that is where I F'ed up I guess. The slide is about an inch forward from normal position and it won't go forward or back. I've managed to take the spring out by rotating the end of the slide that holds both the barrel and spring/pin, but that did not do anything. I did not get a manual with the gun, looked online and it says something about not dropping the hammer while doing this. I don't remember doing anything like that but the hammer is back presently and the slide won't move much forward or back. Any ideas? Hopefully I don't have to get a gunsmith or Kimber involved....
Any help is greatly appreciated,
D
7/27/2011 8:17:18 PM
You aren't pressing down on the grip safety during field stripping are you? Can't do that on a Kimber.
Edit: Nevermind, I see what you did. Will get back after dinner.
Did you remove the recoil spring plug and spring? That is step one.
Edit: Nevermind, I see what you did. Will get back after dinner.
Did you remove the recoil spring plug and spring? That is step one.
7/27/2011 8:18:30 PM
Originally Posted By colorado_shooter_dh:
I recently purchased a used Kimber Raptor II. I took the gun out, fired it, I absolutely love it. It hits what I point it at, makes me look good. That was the good part of the purchase....
I tried to disassemble to clean it and I cannot get the slide off the main body. I'm kind of stuck in the middle. I have 2 other 1911's (neither Kimber) and thought I knew what I was doing. Here is what I did - I pulled the slide back and pulled the stop/pin out. From there, I thought, as with my other 1911's, I push the slide forward and proceed with cleaning. Well, that is where I F'ed up I guess. The slide is about an inch forward from normal position and it won't go forward or back. I've managed to take the spring out by rotating the end of the slide that holds both the barrel and spring/pin, but that did not do anything. I did not get a manual with the gun, looked online and it says something about not dropping the hammer while doing this. I don't remember doing anything like that but the hammer is back presently and the slide won't move much forward or back. Any ideas? Hopefully I don't have to get a gunsmith or Kimber involved....
Any help is greatly appreciated,
D
I recently purchased a used Kimber Raptor II. I took the gun out, fired it, I absolutely love it. It hits what I point it at, makes me look good. That was the good part of the purchase....
I tried to disassemble to clean it and I cannot get the slide off the main body. I'm kind of stuck in the middle. I have 2 other 1911's (neither Kimber) and thought I knew what I was doing. Here is what I did - I pulled the slide back and pulled the stop/pin out. From there, I thought, as with my other 1911's, I push the slide forward and proceed with cleaning. Well, that is where I F'ed up I guess. The slide is about an inch forward from normal position and it won't go forward or back. I've managed to take the spring out by rotating the end of the slide that holds both the barrel and spring/pin, but that did not do anything. I did not get a manual with the gun, looked online and it says something about not dropping the hammer while doing this. I don't remember doing anything like that but the hammer is back presently and the slide won't move much forward or back. Any ideas? Hopefully I don't have to get a gunsmith or Kimber involved....
Any help is greatly appreciated,
D
I'm not intimately familiar with the II series, does it have a barrel bushing or no? The Ultra series doesn't and there's a little different way to break it down. From what you're describing I had happen with a Taurus PT111, and it was fixed by using a wooden dowel in the barrel and a quick push up and tap and I was back in business. Got pics?
7/28/2011 11:35:22 AM
I can possibly post some pics tonight although not sure what they will show. I've tried moving the slide with the beavertail safety depressed and not. I've tried lowering the hammer but it seems stuck in the far back (fire) position. I would guess there is a pin being pushed up by a spring somewhere that is keeping the slide from moving. I just can't seem to find it. I'll plan on posting pics tonight...
7/28/2011 11:36:39 AM
There is a barrel bushing btw, and that is how I got the spring off. Now both the barrel and sping guide are free to slide around.
7/29/2011 1:23:10 AM
Hey! I figured it out. There are a couple of "buttons" that stick up via a spring, which was holding the slide. I was able to slide a small flat-tip screwdriver under the slide and it moved forward off the main body. Problem solved!
Thanks to all who replied!
Thanks to all who replied!
7/29/2011 8:26:13 AM
You were holding the grip safety down during disassembly.
Those little "buttons", are the disconnector (which has nothing to do with your problem, as it offers only minor resistance to the slide going forward) and the Swartz safety plunger. When you depress the grip safety, that plunger pops up and moves the firing pin safety out of the way of the firing pin, allowing the gun to fire.
During dsassembly, if you press the grip safety, that plunger pops up and will obstruct the slides forward motion during disassembly. Once you slid the slide forward, it rested up against the plunger and prevented it from falling back down into the frame, even when you finally did it right, and didn't press the grip safety.
Take home message here is...don't press the grip safety during takedown, it may damage your gun.
Just be sure you haven't damaged the plunger as this is pretty much the only way people manage to screw up the swartz timing.
Those little "buttons", are the disconnector (which has nothing to do with your problem, as it offers only minor resistance to the slide going forward) and the Swartz safety plunger. When you depress the grip safety, that plunger pops up and moves the firing pin safety out of the way of the firing pin, allowing the gun to fire.
During dsassembly, if you press the grip safety, that plunger pops up and will obstruct the slides forward motion during disassembly. Once you slid the slide forward, it rested up against the plunger and prevented it from falling back down into the frame, even when you finally did it right, and didn't press the grip safety.
Take home message here is...don't press the grip safety during takedown, it may damage your gun.
Just be sure you haven't damaged the plunger as this is pretty much the only way people manage to screw up the swartz timing.
7/29/2011 10:53:54 AM
Actually, it is the grip safety plunger that is the problem - After getting it apart I see what the problem is... the plunger from the grip safety sticks up, even when the grip safety is NOT depressed. I had tried it many times with the safety depressed, not depressed, holding trigger down, just about everything. I found this out when finally getting it to disassemble, the reassemble was not easy either. The slide did not want to go over the grip safety plunger, because it sticks up instead of going down into the body of the pistol. Not sure if that is normal or not, but some pressure on the slide got it over the "bump" and i got it reassembled. Strange...
7/29/2011 11:57:51 AM
Originally Posted By colorado_shooter_dh:
Actually, it is the grip safety plunger that is the problem - After getting it apart I see what the problem is... the plunger from the grip safety sticks up, even when the grip safety is NOT depressed. I had tried it many times with the safety depressed, not depressed, holding trigger down, just about everything. I found this out when finally getting it to disassemble, the reassemble was not easy either. The slide did not want to go over the grip safety plunger, because it sticks up instead of going down into the body of the pistol. Not sure if that is normal or not, but some pressure on the slide got it over the "bump" and i got it reassembled. Strange...
Actually, it is the grip safety plunger that is the problem - After getting it apart I see what the problem is... the plunger from the grip safety sticks up, even when the grip safety is NOT depressed. I had tried it many times with the safety depressed, not depressed, holding trigger down, just about everything. I found this out when finally getting it to disassemble, the reassemble was not easy either. The slide did not want to go over the grip safety plunger, because it sticks up instead of going down into the body of the pistol. Not sure if that is normal or not, but some pressure on the slide got it over the "bump" and i got it reassembled. Strange...
Grip safety plunger is the Swartz safety plunger. Different names for the same thing.
If you're holding the gun such that you depress the grip safety, the plunger is not free to fall back down. That is where damage to that plunger can occur, resulting in an inoperable gun.
Having to put a little pressure on the slide is normal and fine, as long as you aren't holding down the grip safety.
Will give you a better explaination when I get a spare minute.
7/29/2011 2:02:24 PM
Originally Posted By colorado_shooter_dh:Any help is greatly appreciated,D
As others have mentioned, do NOT depress the grip safety while disassembly/assembly. During assembly, just push the swartz pin down into the frame and assemble the slide.
Look at the bottom of the photo, the swartz lever is the 3rd component to the right of the trigger, the first component to the left of the hammer.
In this photo, it's the smaller of the 2 components sticking out of the frame, just push it in with your finger and be sure not to depress the grip safety, as that will cause it to protrude again.
7/30/2011 11:33:08 PM
Wow, those pics are awesome. Yes, it was that Schwartz lever (second pic showed it great) that was keeping my slide from moving. I did NOT want to force anything, but when I pushed it slightly harder it slid off.
Thanks to all!
Thanks to all!
