Micro Desert Eagle vs Kel-Tec P3AT
Except for the difference in firepower, since the Kel-Tec will be in 32ACP. Who can tell me which one you would prefer and why?
I have no experience with the Micro DE. Is it a winner or a junker? Cause dimension wise they are pretty much carbon copies give a couple of millimeters here and there.
Price is also not an issue. So don't worry about price differences. I just want to compare the two based on perfomance and experiences good and bad on the two.
One member put up a very favorable review of the Micro Desert Eagle a few months ago if that helps out any. I'm afraid I've never fired the Micro Desert Eagle, but the one I handled felt good FWIW.
I thought the Kel-Tec, while probably a sound pistol, was uncomfortable to both grip and shoot.
ETA: Here's the link to the review
Thanks. I'll give it a read.
There are a lot of new micro .380's out there. I own an LCP and have shot the Desert "Canary" Good reviews aside... I personally think that it's a hunk of angular metal that is uncomfortable to shoot and butt ugly to boot. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I'll take my LCP anyday. But.... if I want an all metal tiny .380, I'm going to get a SIG 238. Now that's pretty!
Funny you should mention it. The latest issue of our local gun magazine just came out and they did a review on the Ruger LCP. Very interesting little pistol. Going to check it out this coming Friday. They also mention in the review the competition. Being Keltec and the Sig P238. Being a big Sig fan I think I need to go check it out.
But a collection of Micro DE, Baby DE and then DE doesn't sound like a bad idea. DE primary, Baby as backup and Micro as hide-out.
I'd be packed for bear.
Ok, had a look at the Sig 238. After all that I'm not that impressed. Looks wise I would rather go with a Colt Mustang if I wanted to go mini 1911. Then again you are looking at safety levers to manipulate before you can use it.
All good and well. I love levers and switches but when it comes down to the hide-out gun I think things have gone pretty wrong and I don't have to worry about stuff like that. But the biggest thing is I want my wife to use it as well. She shoots very accurately with everything I've let her shoot but she is new to guns and I doubt she'll keep on training to master levers and switches under pressure. A good old point-and-shoot is what I'm looking for. Less parts in the gun. Less things that can go wrong.
Understood.... you want a simple "point and pull" gun. Try the LCP and the Desert Canary and see which one feels better and fits better in your pocket. You can't beat the LCP and Keltech for ergo and hideability. I thought the Micro DE felt like a miniature brick in my hand and pocket. As for accuracy, remember you're only going to need this gun inside of 10 ft most likely, so don't worry about which one has a better group at 25 yards
I'm not picking on Desert Eagle (MRI), as I have their big boy in .50 and .44, but they bought the Micro Eagle design from an eastern European defunct company and so it's not really a DE design (but neither is the Baby Eagle, since it's the ol' CZ-75). You might like the Micro, but try the LCP or Keltech too. Oh yeah... Kahr and Taurus have new .380s too, I believe.
I'm going to have a look at a LCP tomorrow morning.
About the new Taurus and Kahr. Taurus's we see from time to time. Kahr are as scares as chicken teeth. Getting new stuff in is always difficult being in South Africa. Not a very gun friendly government we have here.
I collect Taurus firearms. However just started out and the collection is not big but always keen to find new ones. ......that's if the minster of finance approves it back at home. Lucky for me she is a gun nut as well.
I own both the LCP and the MDE. The MDE is dead bang reliable and is my daily carry. The LCP has not been shot enough to trust YET, but it appears to be a very solid weapon as well with no problems to speak of. Other than being .380 and similar sized, they are completely different designs.
The info on the LCP design is everywhere, so I'll dispense with blabbering about that.
The MDE is a retarded gas blowback design. It is heavier and slightly thicker than the LCP but it is smaller lengthwise. It is exactly the same weight as my M&P 340 .357mag revolver but it is MUCH smaller. It fits perfectly in an LCP/crimson trace nemesis holster although it sits a little too low in the holster for my personal tastes. (A custom job from Hidden Holsters is on the way.)
The MDE is a US made version of the ZVI Kevin pistol. ZVI is not defunct, in fact apparently the KEVIN is a big seller in Europe. My understanding is that ZVI is making the small parts for MR.
Both the LCP and the MDE disappear in your pocket. I can carry either and forget it is there.
To answer your question, between the two I'd pick the MDE. It's just more gun, imo. Better sights, solid frame, well built, can get wood grips, ect. However, I like the LCP as well. I'd don't think you'd go wrong with either.
Thanks for the thorough review/opinion. It is appreciated.
I've been talking to a salesman, a good friend of mine by now, at a local gun shop. he is very skeptical about the LCP as well. Though he fully admits that he doesn't have enough experience with it to be any kind of judge. Though that is his reason for hesitating. The fact that nobody around here has really used it yet. That and the fact that it retails for R5000 (ZA Rand) . I can buy me some very nice toys for that amount on the second hand market around here.
So I'm still shopping around. Now if I could only find myself a dealership that will bring in a MDE I'd be happy to review/test it for them. Sponsoring the gun of course.
I have only shot a few casual shots with the lcp and none with the MDE.
The greatly different weight kind of makes this a apples and oranges comparison.
Some may not care about the extra weight but I believe for most folks considering a pocket pistol the weight is a great concern and the general bulk of the MDE really works against it.
I will every now and then carry my 32 Kel tec (bought used on a whim) but generally my every day carry is my airweight S&W in my front pocket.
38 +P is no big game round but when you look at it against the usual mouse cartridges it is very capable and I have much greater confidence in my ability to get hits with the revolver
as compared to any of the small auto's