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 New Titanium .50 DE is a steaming pile O' shiate
j1r11  [Member]
3/24/2009 9:58:27 AM
Well, i finally get the call from my mom's BF to head to the range to try his new 50 (which i get to pop the cherry) for my partial wedding gift. I load the whopping 1 mag that comes with the $1600 pistol, put the mag in on a open chamber, do a heavy slingshot and .

The HP (factory) jams so bad that it does not even start to get into the chamber. This happened over 20 times in a row, not 1 time would this pistol feed into the chamber. I used the slide lock and sling shot, 3 types of factory ammo, 2 HP's and one FMJ, nothing chambered. I was in fooooking shock.

I racked the slide very slowly so i could see what is happening and it looks like the shell is going in at such a sharp angle that the nose of the bullet is hitting the top of the chamber and the bottom of the shell ( about 1/4" below the neck) is digging into the bottom cut of the chamber so bad that it is prob. half way through the brass. The bullet is not contacting the feedramp. I even tried only loading 1 round in the mag. Closed/ open chamber, nothing worked.

Well, at this point i figured it has to go back to Magnum Research, so i was going to single load one in the chamber, just to see if the sights were on and how it shoots. We started at 15 yds, i dropped the round in and. The round went in straight at least, but only went in half way. I had to push the round in the rest of the way by hand. I tried some diff. ammo again, same problem, i also turned the gun upside down and the shell would not come out, without using the extractor.

On a good note my first 2 shots single loaded were touching 1" right of the bullseye. Before anyone asks––-yes he cleaned the gun before he brought it, and i how to load/shoot pistols well. I can't see how this even left the factory with out being test/function. He is a welder and knows alot about steel and seems to think that they coated the gun after testing and that the extra thickness tightened up the tollerances. Is the Eagle pure Ti or coated? Also, can anyone give some imput on this? He is sending it to Magnum Research today.

Thanks
Robinette3  [Member]
3/24/2009 10:52:35 AM
wow thats odd, i have a pc eagle in 50 and the chamber mics the same on it as my buddys ti... did you mic the chamber by chance?
dogsplat  [Member]
3/24/2009 11:00:30 AM
I can't see how this even left the factory with out being test/function


This seems to be SOP in US manufacturing today.

And with gun companies- NO REFUNDS!!!!!!!!

YOU PAY to send it back so they can fix THEIR mistakes.

Remington- dead to me.

Colt- dead to me.

Taurus- well, I should have expected it from Taurus, and yes, I know, not actually made in USA, but also- dead to me.

Note to all gun companies- fire a few rounds out of it and sell me a dirty gun that works. Not an unfired clean gun that's broke before I buy it. Unlike my ex-wife, you only get to screw me once.

j1r11  [Member]
3/24/2009 11:13:35 AM
Originally Posted By Robinette3:
wow thats odd, i have a pc eagle in 50 and the chamber mics the same on it as my buddys ti... did you mic the chamber by chance?

No on the mic.

j1r11  [Member]
3/24/2009 11:20:54 AM
Originally Posted By dogsplat:
I can't see how this even left the factory with out being test/function


This seems to be SOP in US manufacturing today.

And with gun companies- NO REFUNDS!!!!!!!!

YOU PAY to send it back so they can fix THEIR mistakes.

Remington- dead to me.

Colt- dead to me.

Taurus- well, I should have expected it from Taurus, and yes, I know, not actually made in USA, but also- dead to me.

Note to all gun companies- fire a few rounds out of it and sell me a dirty gun that works. Not an unfired clean gun that's broke before I buy it. Unlike my ex-wife, you only get to screw me once.


Same here.
This is the exact reason i just bought a USED Sig on purpose. This way i actually know it works. I was trying to sugar coat it at the range, but he did not seem that pissed, me i would of been tempted to throw it at a tree. If this was a Kel-tec, i would say it's cheap, but give me a break. Last pistol he bought was a Sigma and it was a misfire machine, but Smith made it right and paid postage both ways, but it should of worked right from the get go. I swear 9 year old Asian boys are in these factories for .20cents an hour.

Foxxz  [Team Member]
3/24/2009 11:24:19 AM
I recently sold mine I bought 6 or 7 years ago. Didn't have many issues. A couple of tips:

Make sure the mag is locked into place.
Do not put pressure on the bottom of the mag while shoot. It should free float.
You can not allow yourself to be taken with the recoil and let the muzzle flip up. Limp wristing will cause jams.



-Foxxz
DLaw  [Team Member]
3/24/2009 12:00:37 PM
My 44 DE is 100% and a helluva lotta fun..
j1r11  [Member]
3/24/2009 12:04:30 PM
Originally Posted By Foxxz:
I recently sold mine I bought 6 or 7 years ago. Didn't have many issues. A couple of tips:

Make sure the mag is locked into place.
Do not put pressure on the bottom of the mag while shoot. It should free float.
You can not allow yourself to be taken with the recoil and let the muzzle flip up. Limp wristing will cause jams.



-Foxxz


I shoot a .454 casull that kicks way more than this, so no problem there.

Mag was locked in every time.

free floating mag had nothing to do with the issue i was having

I will give him the tips though.
j1r11  [Member]
3/29/2009 10:13:22 AM
Magnum research has told him that maybe his pistol has weak springs. First off, no rounds were ever fired before this problem. Secondly, if the springs were any stronger the shell would be getting cut almost in half. He is still waiting to hear back if they have fixed or found the problem and what it was.
fxntime  [Team Member]
3/29/2009 10:22:09 AM
Originally Posted By dogsplat:
I can't see how this even left the factory with out being test/function


This seems to be SOP in US manufacturing today.

And with gun companies- NO REFUNDS!!!!!!!!

YOU PAY to send it back so they can fix THEIR mistakes.

Remington- dead to me.

Colt- dead to me.

Taurus- well, I should have expected it from Taurus, and yes, I know, not actually made in USA, but also- dead to me.

Note to all gun companies- fire a few rounds out of it and sell me a dirty gun that works. Not an unfired clean gun that's broke before I buy it. Unlike my ex-wife, you only get to screw me once.



Colt eh? Funny as they actually test fire every gun they make unlike some other companies. I've NEVER bought a new Colt that would not work out of the box after cleaning and all were a bit dirty from their test firing of them. Also had to do very minimal sight adjustments on their AR rifles as far as sighting in and I'd suspect some of that is just personal foibles.

j1r11  [Member]
3/29/2009 5:00:55 PM
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Originally Posted By dogsplat:
I can't see how this even left the factory with out being test/function


This seems to be SOP in US manufacturing today.

And with gun companies- NO REFUNDS!!!!!!!!

YOU PAY to send it back so they can fix THEIR mistakes.

Remington- dead to me.

Colt- dead to me.

Taurus- well, I should have expected it from Taurus, and yes, I know, not actually made in USA, but also- dead to me.

Note to all gun companies- fire a few rounds out of it and sell me a dirty gun that works. Not an unfired clean gun that's broke before I buy it. Unlike my ex-wife, you only get to screw me once.



Colt eh? Funny as they actually test fire every gun they make unlike some other companies. I've NEVER bought a new Colt that would not work out of the box after cleaning and all were a bit dirty from their test firing of them. Also had to do very minimal sight adjustments on their AR rifles as far as sighting in and I'd suspect some of that is just personal foibles.



And you comment has to do what with Desert Eagle?
atruckdrivingpilot  [Member]
3/29/2009 6:55:19 PM
Originally Posted By j1r11:
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Originally Posted By dogsplat:
I can't see how this even left the factory with out being test/function


This seems to be SOP in US manufacturing today.

And with gun companies- NO REFUNDS!!!!!!!!

YOU PAY to send it back so they can fix THEIR mistakes.

Remington- dead to me.

Colt- dead to me.

Taurus- well, I should have expected it from Taurus, and yes, I know, not actually made in USA, but also- dead to me.

Note to all gun companies- fire a few rounds out of it and sell me a dirty gun that works. Not an unfired clean gun that's broke before I buy it. Unlike my ex-wife, you only get to screw me once.



Colt eh? Funny as they actually test fire every gun they make unlike some other companies. I've NEVER bought a new Colt that would not work out of the box after cleaning and all were a bit dirty from their test firing of them. Also had to do very minimal sight adjustments on their AR rifles as far as sighting in and I'd suspect some of that is just personal foibles.



And you comment has to do what with Desert Eagle?


Good point
Cz357  [Member]
3/30/2009 11:14:38 PM
I have the exact same problem with my DE as well, though it's only a .357 mag model. Not quite as bad as yours though, mine will cycle a few times but then it gets dirty and starts to get the same chamber problem.
I haven't had time to deal with it, but I eventually need to get in contact with their CS and deal with it.
BTW, mine does not have any coating on it, it's the regular black.
ruben7520  [Member]
4/3/2009 3:32:11 PM
Try the feed lips on the magazine. the reason why the bullets may be angle so sharply is that the feed lips may be too wide at the end (bullet points too high) or the feed lips may be too tight (bullet points straight into the feed ramp instead of slightly angled.) this has never happened to my DE and it is the TiGold (for looks) in .50ae i absolutley love mine.
j1r11  [Member]
4/4/2009 10:38:58 PM
Originally Posted By ruben7520:
Try the feed lips on the magazine. the reason why the bullets may be angle so sharply is that the feed lips may be too wide at the end (bullet points too high) or the feed lips may be too tight (bullet points straight into the feed ramp instead of slightly angled.) this has never happened to my DE and it is the TiGold (for looks) in .50ae i absolutley love mine.

What do you mean "try the feed lips"? I am not going to bend them on purpose, as the factory should test their product. If you read my OP i said when i single load it W/out a mag. the shell only drops half way into the chamber. It is supposed to fall in and out freely. He is also still waiting on a response from them

KCabbage  [Member]
4/7/2009 3:43:16 PM
I sure hope this gets worked out for him, that stinks.
SOC  [Team Member]
4/7/2009 4:26:22 PM


Works every time.
j1r11  [Member]
4/8/2009 7:48:35 PM
Originally Posted By SOC:
http://i34.tinypic.com/972w0m.jpg

Works every time.

Go shit in someone else's thread.

j1r11  [Member]
4/8/2009 7:49:59 PM
Well, Magnum researched "lost" the pistol for 5 days and just found it, now they are working on it.
ruben7520  [Member]
4/9/2009 10:43:17 AM
Originally Posted By j1r11:
Originally Posted By ruben7520:
Try the feed lips on the magazine. the reason why the bullets may be angle so sharply is that the feed lips may be too wide at the end (bullet points too high) or the feed lips may be too tight (bullet points straight into the feed ramp instead of slightly angled.) this has never happened to my DE and it is the TiGold (for looks) in .50ae i absolutley love mine.

What do you mean "try the feed lips"? I am not going to bend them on purpose, as the factory should test their product. If you read my OP i said when i single load it W/out a mag. the shell only drops half way into the chamber. It is supposed to fall in and out freely. He is also still waiting on a response from them



well for one DE's or any gun that im aware of should be single loaded. the extractor ist designed to bend out to accept the boat tail of the casing. the casing is supposed to slide up into the extractor. actually bending the feed lips is exactly what you may want to do. if i can find the post i will show you there is a certain amount of space there should be in between the feedlips themselves for optimal feeding. i couldnt really tell you if this worked or not because i immediatley did this to my magazine and i have never had feeding issues...that said i can unload the entire magazine through the gun with no problems! haha the recoil is a b**** tho!
Torment  [Member]
5/8/2009 6:01:07 PM
I sent my former 44 DE in to their custom shop for some work they were prompt and did a fine job if that helps lesson your concern about magnum research. At one time I had both a 44 and a 50. They were pretty flawless. I don't know what might be wrong with the gun, but I'm sure they will come through for you....