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Fluellen  [Member]
11/11/2008 10:26:11 AM EST
I love my USP's, BUT, is there anyone out there doing 'trigger jobs' on HK USP's?
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rockstar4960  [Team Member]
11/11/2008 10:32:09 AM EST
there are all kinds of folks who work HK triggers.
there is a guy not 15 minutes from me who does some magic with USP triggers.

i found his card.

indiancreekfirearmstraining@fuse.net
513-747-4024
or
513-673-6342

guys name is Julian Parsons.

he is in Oxford, Ohio.
Gthirteen  [Member]
11/11/2008 10:41:50 AM EST
I believe that a Bill Springfield (search the AR forum) is said to do an amazing job on all triggers, including HKs.

No personal experience, but I agree, they could use a little fixin'.
BobCole  [Team Member]
11/11/2008 4:17:40 PM EST
I had my .45acp USPF done by Mr. Springfield last month. His web site made some claims that I found hugely attractive versus the OEM trigger feel. Sadly, *I* couldn't tell much difference when I got the gun back. Actually, *I* couldn't tell ANY difference...........

I think I'll get my 9mm USPF out tomorrow & compare the two, see what the difference is, if any.

My .o2
Fluellen  [Member]
11/12/2008 4:06:06 AM EST
Let us know about your range report. I'm very curious. Have you contacted Mr. Springfield about your 'disappointment'?
xkaper  [Member]
11/12/2008 7:38:57 PM EST
+1 for Bill Springfield

I had Bill Springfield do a trigger job on my USPc and I could tell the difference. If you go on HKPRO you will find that Bill Springfield posts there and if you search the forums you will find plenty of people happy with his work and fast turn around times.
DernHumpus  [Team Member]
11/12/2008 10:12:09 PM EST
I did the home polish job on mine, double action is greatly improved and single improved a bit too. I don't think that Bill Springfield does much more than polish some surfaces.
rockstar4960  [Team Member]
11/13/2008 5:43:21 AM EST
Originally Posted By DernHumpus:
I did the home polish job on mine, double action is greatly improved and single improved a bit too. I don't think that Bill Springfield does much more than polish some surfaces.


pics?
ak4784  [Team Member]
11/13/2008 11:26:22 AM EST
Originally Posted By rockstar4960:
Originally Posted By DernHumpus:
I did the home polish job on mine, double action is greatly improved and single improved a bit too. I don't think that Bill Springfield does much more than polish some surfaces.


pics?


I did the polish job on mine to and am pleased with the out come. All it really does is smooth out the triggers. It wont make the pull any less, just a lot smother.

Pics.


In this pic you can tell that all sides of the 'plates' are polished.


I posted a stp by step dissasembly thread a while ago when I did this project, There are more pics there. The thread is probably 2-3 maybe 4 pages back.

ak4784  [Team Member]
11/13/2008 11:28:59 AM EST
oops.
BobCole  [Team Member]
11/13/2008 1:58:19 PM EST
Originally Posted By Fluellen:
Let us know about your range report. I'm very curious. Have you contacted Mr. Springfield about your 'disappointment'?




No, I'll just write it off as a bad investment & a good learning experience on what NOT to do with a USP...............
BobCole  [Team Member]
11/13/2008 2:00:15 PM EST
Originally Posted By xkaper:

If you go on HKPRO you will find that Bill Springfield posts there and if you search the forums you will find plenty of people happy with his work and fast turn around times.



*I* don't have to look far to find an unsatisfied one...............
ShaneS  [Team Member]
11/13/2008 2:08:38 PM EST
I've spent many hours on my HK trigger, and despite refining everything nicely and lightening the hammer spring a LOT, the trigger still sucks. I love everything else about the gun, but the trigger pull just sucks.

I spoke with HK people two or three years ago, and the response was - I shit you not - "Well, when you're in combat you won't notice the trigger."

I told them that wasn't the point. The point was that an $900 dollar gun ought to have a decent trigger.

I finally gave up on the HK and now carry Glocks.

Shane
mrrick  [Member]
11/13/2008 2:33:16 PM EST
I did my own.it's not complicated.all you do is polish the contact points.I used the old "streetpro" link found on hkpro.com . it will make a "gritty" trigger smooth. thats all.

this was a common thing early on with USP's.
Rabon  [Team Member]
11/13/2008 4:34:56 PM EST
Damn, I just got one of these on the way, are the triggers really that bad ?
BobCole  [Team Member]
11/13/2008 4:41:23 PM EST
Originally Posted By Rabon:
Damn, I just got one of these on the way, are the triggers really that bad ?



No, but they won't be mistaken for a crisp 1911 trigger though. A bit of break-in & some lube on the hammer/sear contact & they're pretty decent. My unhappy experience was that I was hoping for MUCH better than what they are, I guess.

With any of my USP's, I can shoot some damn small groups.

ALPHAGHOST  [Team Member]
11/13/2008 5:12:32 PM EST
Originally Posted By ShaneS:

I told them that wasn't the point. The point was that an $900 dollar gun ought to have a decent trigger.

I finally gave up on the HK and now carry Glocks.

Shane


agreed

so, are you disappointed that you gave up on HKs or that you carry glocks?
MouseBoy  [Member]
11/13/2008 6:04:50 PM EST
Have Bill Springfield install a Match Trigger. The double action still sucks, but the single action breaks cleaner (although the pull and reset are pretty long). When he installs it, have him work it best he can. I will have him do all mine when I get around to it....
ak4784  [Team Member]
11/15/2008 1:20:21 AM EST
I will say this. After about 200 rounds I dont think an HK trigger is any worse than a factory glock trigger(this is just my opinion). A fresh NIB HK USP trigger is a little stiff and gritty though.

Also if you do the trigger smoothing steps it will help. I noticed that the internal parts of my USPc began to get a hard layer of powder residue built up. I really noticed it after breaking the thing completly down. After polishing everything by hand I no longer notice residue building up anymore.....everything wipes right off.
tep0583  [Member]
11/16/2008 3:54:12 AM EST
Originally Posted By ak4784:
I will say this. After about 200 rounds I dont think an HK trigger is any worse than a factory glock trigger(this is just my opinion). A fresh NIB HK USP trigger is a little stiff and gritty though.

Also if you do the trigger smoothing steps it will help. I noticed that the internal parts of my USPc began to get a hard layer of powder residue built up. I really noticed it after breaking the thing completly down. After polishing everything by hand I no longer notice residue building up anymore.....everything wipes right off.


Personally, I think the trigger on my USP is much better than the one on my G17.

The trigger on my G17 is 'OK', but the USP if far better, IMO, in single action mode.

The USP's trigger is no 1911, but is isn't enough worse that I've wanted to improve upon it.
threefeathers  [Team Member]
11/16/2008 6:58:10 AM EST
Bill Springfield has done 3 HK triggers for me and they are fantastic. He reduced my military issue USP9 fron an ugly 12 lbs to an really smooth and crisp 8 lbs. Two P2K' LEM's to the light very smooth pull. I fired a 290/300 at LFI with the 9mm. I absolutely defend this man's work and if you are dissatisfied call him and he will make it good. Bill is an honorable man and a very skilled 'Smith'.
BobCole  [Team Member]
11/16/2008 5:28:43 PM EST
Originally Posted By threefeathers:

I absolutely defend this man's work and if you are dissatisfied call him and he will make it good. Bill is an honorable man and a very skilled 'Smith'.




Well, I admire & commend your loyality. I feel the same way about my local 'smith as well. But I repeat, in my particular case, *I* couldn't tell one iota's difference in the trigger from before I sent it to him & when I got it back..............
ak4784  [Team Member]
11/16/2008 5:53:52 PM EST
Originally Posted By BobCole:
Originally Posted By threefeathers:

I absolutely defend this man's work and if you are dissatisfied call him and he will make it good. Bill is an honorable man and a very skilled 'Smith'.




Well, I admire & commend your loyality. I feel the same way about my local 'smith as well. But I repeat, in my particular case, *I* couldn't tell one iota's difference in the trigger from before I sent it to him & when I got it back..............


Could you even tell the trigger had been worked on? Is it possible somehow it didnt get worked on and sent back?

I have seen way to many people say good things about his work. You really should contact him about it!

Does anybody even know exactly what he does to the trigger to improve it?

cckw  [Team Member]
11/17/2008 6:44:33 PM EST
Originally Posted By BobCole:
Originally Posted By threefeathers:

I absolutely defend this man's work and if you are dissatisfied call him and he will make it good. Bill is an honorable man and a very skilled 'Smith'.




Well, I admire & commend your loyality. I feel the same way about my local 'smith as well. But I repeat, in my particular case, *I* couldn't tell one iota's difference in the trigger from before I sent it to him & when I got it back..............


Then I wonder if he got guns mixed up and never worked on yours. I have sent him other triggers and always been a big improvement.
BobCole  [Team Member]
11/18/2008 2:36:33 PM EST
Originally Posted By cckw:

Then I wonder if he got guns mixed up and never worked on yours.



Well, that's not exactly going to inspire confidence in him from my perspective..............

Furyataurus  [Member]
12/12/2008 3:48:43 AM EST
I've heard that the work done by Gray Guns is better. Also from what I understand the DA pull will always be the way it is and that the SA pull is where its really improved. I have to say that HK is right about not noticing the trigger pull in "combat", when I run through an IDPA course I don't notice the DA pull at all.
Fbuckshot  [Member]
12/12/2008 3:56:35 AM EST
Sent my .45 USP to HK in Alabama and had them install the Master Trigger group. Has an overtravel stop and is real smooth. I really like it. Several local HK owners who've pulled my trigger all want the mod to their guns.
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