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11/3/2011 8:55:59 PM
Hey guys, check out the newest addition to the H&K family. I am thinking about ccw with this rig. what do you think?
11/3/2011 9:03:29 PM
A P7 for concealed carry, is a definite win!
11/3/2011 10:55:44 PM
I think they make better carry guns than range guns.
11/4/2011 12:19:17 AM
P7 M13 would be more perfect
Nice gun sir.
Nice gun sir.
11/4/2011 1:46:18 AM
Originally Posted By Milo5:
I think they make better carry guns than range guns.
I think they make better carry guns than range guns.
Have you ever shot one? They are great range guns becasue they are dead-on accurate.
4.13" Fixed/non-tilting barrel? If you can see it, you can hit it.
Ever seen a Bruce Gray P7 longslide? The slide was just lengthened for weight, but barrel length remained the same as accuracy was not an issue!
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/104214-mythical-long-slide-p7m13-revealed-ggi-warning-picture-heavy.html
Longslide P7M13 is probably my #4 dream handgun.
11/4/2011 8:41:37 AM
Originally Posted By Plumber576:
Have you ever shot one? They are great range guns becasue they are dead-on accurate.
4.13" Fixed/non-tilting barrel? If you can see it, you can hit it.
Ever seen a Bruce Gray P7 longslide? The slide was just lengthened for weight, but barrel length remained the same as accuracy was not an issue!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/HKJay/P7M13target.jpg
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/104214-mythical-long-slide-p7m13-revealed-ggi-warning-picture-heavy.html
http://grayguns.com/wp-content/gallery/general-images/ggi-1987-m13-longslide.jpg
Longslide P7M13 is probably my #4 dream handgun.
Originally Posted By Milo5:
I think they make better carry guns than range guns.
I think they make better carry guns than range guns.
Have you ever shot one? They are great range guns becasue they are dead-on accurate.
4.13" Fixed/non-tilting barrel? If you can see it, you can hit it.
Ever seen a Bruce Gray P7 longslide? The slide was just lengthened for weight, but barrel length remained the same as accuracy was not an issue!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/HKJay/P7M13target.jpg
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/104214-mythical-long-slide-p7m13-revealed-ggi-warning-picture-heavy.html
http://grayguns.com/wp-content/gallery/general-images/ggi-1987-m13-longslide.jpg
Longslide P7M13 is probably my #4 dream handgun.
Have I ever shot one?
No, nah, Like that piece of rock candy in the move "The Outlaw Josie Wales" mine is just for lookin' through,,,
This is what my real and not dream gun does at 50 meters sitting at the bench.
11/4/2011 8:56:16 AM
Who pee'd in your cereal this morning
Man the quality of people on ARFcom is going to the dumps
Man the quality of people on ARFcom is going to the dumps
Originally Posted By Milo5:
Have I ever shot one?
No, nah, Like that piece of rock candy in the move "The Outlaw Josie Wales" mine is just for lookin' through,,,
http://www.fototime.com/AC1D736E04B586A/standard.jpg
This is what my real and not dream gun does at 50 meters sitting at the bench.
http://www.fototime.com/B57613DA0857789/standard.jpg
Originally Posted By Plumber576:
Have you ever shot one? They are great range guns becasue they are dead-on accurate.
4.13" Fixed/non-tilting barrel? If you can see it, you can hit it.
Ever seen a Bruce Gray P7 longslide? The slide was just lengthened for weight, but barrel length remained the same as accuracy was not an issue!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/HKJay/P7M13target.jpg
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/104214-mythical-long-slide-p7m13-revealed-ggi-warning-picture-heavy.html
http://grayguns.com/wp-content/gallery/general-images/ggi-1987-m13-longslide.jpg
Longslide P7M13 is probably my #4 dream handgun.
Originally Posted By Milo5:
I think they make better carry guns than range guns.
I think they make better carry guns than range guns.
Have you ever shot one? They are great range guns becasue they are dead-on accurate.
4.13" Fixed/non-tilting barrel? If you can see it, you can hit it.
Ever seen a Bruce Gray P7 longslide? The slide was just lengthened for weight, but barrel length remained the same as accuracy was not an issue!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/HKJay/P7M13target.jpg
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/104214-mythical-long-slide-p7m13-revealed-ggi-warning-picture-heavy.html
http://grayguns.com/wp-content/gallery/general-images/ggi-1987-m13-longslide.jpg
Longslide P7M13 is probably my #4 dream handgun.
Have I ever shot one?
No, nah, Like that piece of rock candy in the move "The Outlaw Josie Wales" mine is just for lookin' through,,,
http://www.fototime.com/AC1D736E04B586A/standard.jpg
This is what my real and not dream gun does at 50 meters sitting at the bench.
http://www.fototime.com/B57613DA0857789/standard.jpg
11/4/2011 9:16:39 AM
Uh, you did.
O.P. asked a question, I answered it and you decided to call me out.
Oh, I haven't changed my mind any about the P7 being a better carry gun than a range gun either.
These guns were, after all, designed from the very start, as a Police duty weapon and they can still perform that business quite well.
As a high volume Saturday at the range pistol, there are much better and less expensive options available.
P7s have some internal spring issues and are know for carbon fouling with heavy use.
I find the obsession some people have with this particular design somewhat amusing.
O.P. asked a question, I answered it and you decided to call me out.
Oh, I haven't changed my mind any about the P7 being a better carry gun than a range gun either.
These guns were, after all, designed from the very start, as a Police duty weapon and they can still perform that business quite well.
As a high volume Saturday at the range pistol, there are much better and less expensive options available.
P7s have some internal spring issues and are know for carbon fouling with heavy use.
I find the obsession some people have with this particular design somewhat amusing.
11/4/2011 11:19:18 AM
Ahh, much better post. Informative and polite, unlike your last. I'm sure the OP appreciates it.
BTW, looking at those targets I'd say its a damn good range gun if those groups are at 50m.
BTW, looking at those targets I'd say its a damn good range gun if those groups are at 50m.
Originally Posted By Milo5:
Uh, you did.
O.P. asked a question, I answered it and you decided to call me out.
Oh, I haven't changed my mind any about the P7 being a better carry gun than a range gun either.
These guns were, after all, designed from the very start, as a Police duty weapon and they can still perform that business quite well.
As a high volume Saturday at the range pistol, there are much better and less expensive options available.
P7s have some internal spring issues and are know for carbon fouling with heavy use.
I find the obsession some people have with this particular design somewhat amusing.
Uh, you did.
O.P. asked a question, I answered it and you decided to call me out.
Oh, I haven't changed my mind any about the P7 being a better carry gun than a range gun either.
These guns were, after all, designed from the very start, as a Police duty weapon and they can still perform that business quite well.
As a high volume Saturday at the range pistol, there are much better and less expensive options available.
P7s have some internal spring issues and are know for carbon fouling with heavy use.
I find the obsession some people have with this particular design somewhat amusing.
11/4/2011 3:52:52 PM
P7's are great carry guns. P7's are also great range gun til you got to break out the oven mitt to keep shooting it. 
11/5/2011 11:01:09 AM
If they were as great as everyone here says, the German governmental agencies that issued them would still be using them.
I could see owning one of the single stack versions for carry, if, and only if, there were a polymer cocking hand piece that would not transfer heat so you could actually have a decent length practice session with the thing.
In short, the P7 is an interesting, if typically Germanically over complicated, answer to a question that has been better answered since with more modern, and better designs.
For me it goes in the same category as the C96 Broomhandle, the P-08, and even the Webley Fosbury. All very cool, but for serious social work there are better choices that are far less costly.
I could see owning one of the single stack versions for carry, if, and only if, there were a polymer cocking hand piece that would not transfer heat so you could actually have a decent length practice session with the thing.
In short, the P7 is an interesting, if typically Germanically over complicated, answer to a question that has been better answered since with more modern, and better designs.
For me it goes in the same category as the C96 Broomhandle, the P-08, and even the Webley Fosbury. All very cool, but for serious social work there are better choices that are far less costly.
11/5/2011 8:07:31 PM
Originally Posted By Milo5:
Have I ever shot one?
No, nah, Like that piece of rock candy in the move "The Outlaw Josie Wales" mine is just for lookin' through,,,
Have I ever shot one?
No, nah, Like that piece of rock candy in the move "The Outlaw Josie Wales" mine is just for lookin' through,,,
11/5/2011 8:12:26 PM
Originally Posted By Milo5:
P7s have some internal spring issues and are know for carbon fouling with heavy use.
I find the obsession some people have with this particular design somewhat amusing.
P7s have some internal spring issues and are know for carbon fouling with heavy use.
I find the obsession some people have with this particular design somewhat amusing.
As a long time P7 owner, this is news to me. Be kind enough to elaborate, please.
As for the so-called "obsession", it's no different than anything else exotic: sports cars, liquor, clothes, etc. Nothing wrong with lusting after one of THE finest guns ever made on a production line, IMO. YMMV.
My .o2
11/5/2011 8:13:59 PM
Originally Posted By BlitzPig:
If they were as great as everyone here says, the German governmental agencies that issued them would still be using them.
I could see owning one of the single stack versions for carry, if, and only if, there were a polymer cocking hand piece that would not transfer heat so you could actually have a decent length practice session with the thing.
In short, the P7 is an interesting, if typically Germanically over complicated, answer to a question that has been better answered since with more modern, and better designs.
For me it goes in the same category as the C96 Broomhandle, the P-08, and even the Webley Fosbury. All very cool, but for serious social work there are better choices that are far less costly.
If they were as great as everyone here says, the German governmental agencies that issued them would still be using them.
I could see owning one of the single stack versions for carry, if, and only if, there were a polymer cocking hand piece that would not transfer heat so you could actually have a decent length practice session with the thing.
In short, the P7 is an interesting, if typically Germanically over complicated, answer to a question that has been better answered since with more modern, and better designs.
For me it goes in the same category as the C96 Broomhandle, the P-08, and even the Webley Fosbury. All very cool, but for serious social work there are better choices that are far less costly.
Methinks that might be your bone of contention on the P7 series......................
11/5/2011 9:53:27 PM
I have purchased many "expensive" arms, but I have never purchased one just because it is expensive.
I fear many H&K owners buy them just because they are expensive, makes for good bragging rights at the range, just like Mercedes owners at the country club.
I fear many H&K owners buy them just because they are expensive, makes for good bragging rights at the range, just like Mercedes owners at the country club.
11/6/2011 1:14:42 AM
A P7 in a Milt Sparks VMII is my primary concealed carry piece.
As the proud owner of 4 P7's I can say that I have never had any issues with a single one of them. Yes they do get hot after multiple mags but that that is a range issue not a carry issue. Only carry issues I could raise are weight, single stack and cost. As I can't see a CC issue calling for more than 8 rounds that doesn't concern me (you can always just carry a spare mag). Weight is a factor but a good holster will take care of that. For me these things are offset by utter safety of this as a carry weapon and German reliability.
BTW - Congrats on your purchase!
As the proud owner of 4 P7's I can say that I have never had any issues with a single one of them. Yes they do get hot after multiple mags but that that is a range issue not a carry issue. Only carry issues I could raise are weight, single stack and cost. As I can't see a CC issue calling for more than 8 rounds that doesn't concern me (you can always just carry a spare mag). Weight is a factor but a good holster will take care of that. For me these things are offset by utter safety of this as a carry weapon and German reliability.
BTW - Congrats on your purchase!
11/6/2011 2:47:26 AM
Originally Posted By BobCole:
As a long time P7 owner, this is news to me. Be kind enough to elaborate, please.
As for the so-called "obsession", it's no different than anything else exotic: sports cars, liquor, clothes, etc. Nothing wrong with lusting after one of THE finest guns ever made on a production line, IMO. YMMV.
My .o2
Originally Posted By Milo5:
P7s have some internal spring issues and are know for carbon fouling with heavy use.
I find the obsession some people have with this particular design somewhat amusing.
P7s have some internal spring issues and are know for carbon fouling with heavy use.
I find the obsession some people have with this particular design somewhat amusing.
As a long time P7 owner, this is news to me. Be kind enough to elaborate, please.
As for the so-called "obsession", it's no different than anything else exotic: sports cars, liquor, clothes, etc. Nothing wrong with lusting after one of THE finest guns ever made on a production line, IMO. YMMV.
My .o2
Grip lever return spring get mushy with repetitive use as do the firing pin springs and these need to be replaced about every 5000-7000 rounds.
The obsession isn't so called, it is very real, see post above,,,
11/6/2011 5:45:52 AM
The P7 makes for a nice carry piece given a proper carry holster and keeping in mind that it is a single stack 9mm. I carried my P7PSP in an ISP/LP IWB built by Matt Del Fatti for quite a while and still do on occasion. It is very comfortable for all day carry and with the fixed barrel it is a very accurate pistol. The squeeze cocking feature also makes it one of the safest pistols to carry. I've had no issues with either my P7M8, or P7PSP. It has since been replaced as my carry piece initially by a USP9mm and now my HK45C. Enjoy your new pistol. Take good care of it and it will take good care of you.
11/6/2011 6:17:50 AM
Nice pistol OP. It will serve you well.
11/6/2011 12:07:50 PM
I've owned a couple over the years. You'll probably sell it.
11/6/2011 8:39:39 PM
Originally Posted By BlitzPig:
I fear many H&K owners buy them just because they are expensive, makes for good bragging rights at the range, just like Mercedes owners at the country club.
I fear many H&K owners buy them just because they are expensive, makes for good bragging rights at the range, just like Mercedes owners at the country club.
Top-of-the-line quality is NEVER cheap. Baer, Ed Brown, Wilson, etc. are all north of $1800 per gun. No one doubts their superior quality over Colt/Kimber/Sig/S&W/Springfield, etc. Not to mention the P7 series is easily THE most accurate 9mm with the possible exception of the Sig P-210.
Given the lesser availability of the P7 series in the US (proven by the lack of them I see at local gun shows), there's a large, large % of current/new gun owners whom are wholly unaware of their rep as well as their cost, IMO. This negates your proposed "bragging rights" at the range, IMO.
My .o2
11/6/2011 8:44:34 PM
Originally Posted By Milo5:
Grip lever return spring get mushy with repetitive use as do the firing pin springs and these need to be replaced about every 5000-7000 rounds.
Grip lever return spring get mushy with repetitive use as do the firing pin springs and these need to be replaced about every 5000-7000 rounds.
Not an issue, IMO. 99% of P7 owners will never get close to 5k rds in them, IMO. At the risk of repeating myself, you're the only person I can recall ever mentioning this "issue".
The obsession isn't so called, it is very real, see post above,,,
Why? Because he has 4 of them?
Heck, I have 3 SA 1911s, I have 4 CZ .22 rifles, 3 Beretta 92's & I don't know how many S&W wheel guns. Is it simply because someone has more than one of something it automatically becomes an "obsession"?
Not trying to be a jackass, I just don't understand your perspective.
11/6/2011 8:53:40 PM
Originally Posted By hicap:
Hey guys, check out the newest addition to the H&K family. I am thinking about ccw with this rig. what do you think?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v734/alenworn/P7001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v734/alenworn/P7002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v734/alenworn/P7007.jpg
Hey guys, check out the newest addition to the H&K family. I am thinking about ccw with this rig. what do you think?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v734/alenworn/P7001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v734/alenworn/P7002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v734/alenworn/P7007.jpg
Nice P7 hicap!
They're not light guns. If that's your carry rig (high-ride), I hope you have a good strong belt.
11/6/2011 9:02:53 PM
Nothing wrong with P7 series. Makes for a good carry gun. Let's face it, most people are going to carry more than use. By use, I mean self-defense.
Only issues that I've come across are: HEAT after shooting 50+ rounds in front of the trigger/housing due to piston location, gas piston, and lastly......a sometimes purple finish. But, I have some Bushmasters that have the same problem.
P7s are VERY accurate, because of the low bore line, and fixed barrel. I shoot it until it heats up, then set it aside to cool while I shoot another pistol. HKs are always expensive. Something to due with an exchange rate and manufactured abroad.
Only issues that I've come across are: HEAT after shooting 50+ rounds in front of the trigger/housing due to piston location, gas piston, and lastly......a sometimes purple finish.
But, I have some Bushmasters that have the same problem.
P7s are VERY accurate, because of the low bore line, and fixed barrel. I shoot it until it heats up, then set it aside to cool while I shoot another pistol. HKs are always expensive. Something to due with an exchange rate and manufactured abroad.
11/6/2011 10:37:44 PM
Originally Posted By DOE:
I shoot it until it heats up, then set it aside to cool while I shoot another pistol.
I shoot it until it heats up, then set it aside to cool while I shoot another pistol.
It simply baffles me that people can't seem to figure out this solution..................
11/6/2011 11:35:23 PM
Originally Posted By BobCole:
It simply baffles me that people can't seem to figure out this solution..................
Originally Posted By DOE:
I shoot it until it heats up, then set it aside to cool while I shoot another pistol.
I shoot it until it heats up, then set it aside to cool while I shoot another pistol.
It simply baffles me that people can't seem to figure out this solution..................
Works for me.
11/7/2011 10:39:48 AM
Nice!!!
11/7/2011 5:19:35 PM
OK i have carried it for a couple of weeks. i have a good belt; it rides close to the body; its a bit heavy but it doesnt print nearly as much as my G19; no problem sitting or riding in a car; i like it
11/7/2011 9:45:26 PM
Originally Posted By hicap:
OK i have carried it for a couple of weeks. i have a good belt; it rides close to the body; its a bit heavy but it doesnt print nearly as much as my G19; no problem sitting or riding in a car; i like it
OK i have carried it for a couple of weeks. i have a good belt; it rides close to the body; its a bit heavy but it doesnt print nearly as much as my G19; no problem sitting or riding in a car; i like it
My thoughts exactly.
11/13/2011 6:09:36 PM
This thread make anyone else want to speak bad German and take over a high rise tower in LA?
11/13/2011 10:59:12 PM
Originally Posted By Spiffums:
This thread make anyone else want to speak bad German and take over a high rise tower in LA?
This thread make anyone else want to speak bad German and take over a high rise tower in LA?
Nah, it makes me want to call people a cantaloupe.
12/10/2011 6:47:12 PM
The older the better. Americanized desire for faster shooting screwed up its perfection of design. 
My "IA" is indeed perfection. Sorry Glock.
My "IA" is indeed perfection. Sorry Glock.