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 What IWB holster do you carry you Commander in?
AmericanPatriot1776  [Team Member]
10/13/2008 2:02:28 PM
Suggestions?
FreeAmerican  [Member]
10/13/2008 4:37:32 PM
Sparks VM II
XTrooper  [Team Member]
10/14/2008 7:55:13 AM
El Paso Saddlery C-Force.

I've owned many different IWB holsters over the years from nearly all the well-known holster makers and I've found this type to be the most concealable mainly because it's belt attachment is positioned behind the gun and not right over the fattest part like most of them. I also like the "rough side out" design of this holster because it clings like a magnet and keeps the holster in position even with its single belt loop. It's a great design and very comfortable to wear. I have one of these holsters for nearly every handgun I own from my Colt Commander to my Colt Detective Special and S&W Chiefs Special snubbies.

hipowr  [Member]
10/14/2008 1:46:51 PM

I've also got a C Force for my 5" 1911's and can say it is a fantastic holster. The one I have for my Commander is very similar and is a Mitch Rosen ARG Express. It is very similar in design, function, and equal in quality to the El Paso. Which ever you get will work great.

later,
AJ
FlameRed  [Member]
10/14/2008 2:59:29 PM
+1 for the MS VM2. Best IWB holster available.

But if you don't want to wait 6 or more months, you can check out TTGunLeather. Very very similiar and only a two month wait.

www.ttgunleather.com/catalog/i35.html
Walkure  [Team Member]
10/14/2008 6:36:38 PM
Comp-Tac/Minotaur MTAC.
Shawnmt6601  [Team Member]
10/18/2008 10:10:12 PM
www.kirkpatrickleather.com


a very nice IWB holster for commanders or gov models. in 3 colors and your choice of snaps or a metal spring clip. I use one everyday of my life and I love it
pulpsmack  [Team Member]
10/19/2008 2:18:54 AM
I am not a fan of that C-force design.

Although I cannot speak from experience regarding that rig, it shares some common features with a Galco I used (although I would concede in a heartbeat that the El Paso would be of much higher quality).

The rough-side out construction does a great job of hugging the pistol to the pants... for a while. Sooner or later, you will have sweat invade the leather, which will discolor the rig. Regardless, you will want to care for it with some light saddle soap and water, which immediately discolors/darkens it. This is a mere cosmetic issue (all leather will bear witness to use), but over time, cleanings and use, the rough side starts to get rather slick instead of sticky. So, In my experience, Rough side out is a good bonus, but if that is the lynchpin to stability on your rig, you will have problems eventually...

Which brings me to the next point. I have found that single point of attachment holsters make them less conspicuous (one less clip/snap on the belt) and they offer a little flex for driving in the car/ease of insertion/removal. However, they are rather unstable with respect to carry, IME. I have the VMII from Milt Sparks, which is the exact opposite. It is smooth side out, which is more attractive, yet less "tacky" (in the functional sense). This is countered however by two attachment points, which makes for an absolutely stable draw and return. The down side is two snaps to attach/detach/ slide on the belt makes for a marginally less concealable rig that doesn't give you the same flex for freedom of movement. But I will tell you right now, that flex is NOT your friend with carry and draw.

The weight of a one point has dragged down and sunk in my pants many times, leaving the weapon in a different place and forcing me to fish for it or readjust constantly. The 2 point is exactly where I put it... always. I am sure that some percentage may be explained away with the different brands and perhaps my body style versus yours, but that would only be a percentage. Even the venerable rough side out Summer Special has a two point system (albeit closer together than a VMII by far).

My advice would be (if possible) to use this information and try to sit/stand/walk etc in both styles and see how they work for you. HTH.
XTrooper  [Team Member]
10/19/2008 8:35:30 AM

Originally Posted By pulpsmack:

Although I cannot speak from experience regarding that rig.........


I think you should have stopped right there.

I've been using EPS C-Force holsters since their inception and have yet to experience the problems you suggest. Yes, they are discolored, but this is an non-issue in my book and not worthy of mention. My experience has been that the C-Force design provides stability and consistent draws even after years of hard use. If the day comes when my C-Force holsters no longer do so, the solution for me will be to contact El Paso Saddlery for new ones.

That said, I believe the Milt Sparks design is an outstanding one that will get the job done and likely last several lifetimes. Not as minimalist as the EPS, it's a fine holster nonetheless.
tamu94  [Team Member]
10/19/2008 10:17:12 AM
Summer Special
pulpsmack  [Team Member]
10/19/2008 7:06:19 PM

Originally Posted By XTrooper:

Originally Posted By pulpsmack:

Although I cannot speak from experience regarding that rig.........


I think you should have stopped right there.


Then we'll have to agree to disagree on that point . I think I threw out enough disclaimers to take my experience with a grain of salt when applying it toward the El Paso Saddlery rig. I think it's better for the thread to have introduced my input as well as your response to give a fuller understanding. Your input either helps assuage doubts about the rig, or it raises new questions, such as "have you been carrying one in that rig for years" (like I had, which may bring you back to my experience), and is this an issue of your body is different than mine?

If it were me, I'd rather have to filter through extraneous info rather than act on a lack of it.
XTrooper  [Team Member]
10/20/2008 8:27:42 AM

Originally Posted By pulpsmack:

Originally Posted By XTrooper:

Originally Posted By pulpsmack:

Although I cannot speak from experience regarding that rig.........


I think you should have stopped right there.


Then we'll have to agree to disagree on that point . I think I threw out enough disclaimers to take my experience with a grain of salt when applying it toward the El Paso Saddlery rig. I think it's better for the thread to have introduced my input as well as your response to give a fuller understanding. Your input either helps assuage doubts about the rig, or it raises new questions, such as "have you been carrying one in that rig for years" (like I had, which may bring you back to my experience), and is this an issue of your body is different than mine?

If it were me, I'd rather have to filter through extraneous info rather than act on a lack of it.


I thought I made it clear enough that I had, in fact, been carrying handguns in EPS C-Force holster for years, but, apparently, I was wrong. So, for those who found my former statements ambiguous, I'd like to make it clear that I have carried Colt Commanders, various J-frame revolvers, and Colt Detective Specials in three different El Paso Saddlery C-Force holsters, all for several, i.e., 5+ years.

Regarding the reason for your experience being different from mine, I believe it has everything to do with, disclaimers notwithstanding, your attempt to attach your experiences with one holster to a holster you've never owned nor used and nothing to do with any physical differences we may have.

I always try my best not to comment or pass judgment on things I have no experience with, but it's clear a lack of specific knowledge is no impediment to some. I also feel that extraneous information serves no purpose other than to "muddy the waters" and aid in the possibility of wrong conclusions. I don't see having to "filter through" irrelevant material as a good thing, but that's just me.
ALAN308  [Member]
10/20/2008 9:51:08 PM
I carry a Commander in a Mc daniels II. This is a 'sturdier' single point IWB.
I have carried Commanders and Government models in Galco NSA's and this is my preferred style. The Galco is [was] the best for concealment but will wear and torq will break down the fit. In other words, it will loose its rigidity with relation to the belt.
I have not had a two loop IWB, yet. The Andrews Leather single loop is holding up well as I do not need to carry daily as in previous years. Out where I work now, the alligators are more often used for garbage disposal.
I do still have a NSA for a Govt. model which is still crisp. My favorite in this condition.

ETA; Not to be a smart ass but the C Tac looks to be a cheap copy of the original NSA. Dual fasteners but no form, no style.
Walkure  [Team Member]
10/20/2008 11:09:00 PM

Originally Posted By ALAN308:
ETA; Not to be a smart ass but the C Tac looks to be a cheap copy of the original NSA. Dual fasteners but no form, no style.


What?


Comp-Tac C.T.A.C.




Galco NSA II




The differences between the NSA and NSA II being the type of leather and the lack of any mouth reinforcement on the NSA II. I've never seen any NSA or NSA II holsters with more than one mounting point, so I'm not sure what you're going on about with "dual fasteners".

I'm still struggling to see ANY similarities between the two entirely different platforms.
ALAN308  [Member]
10/23/2008 10:15:43 PM

Originally Posted By Walkure:

Originally Posted By ALAN308:
ETA; Not to be a smart ass but the C Tac looks to be a cheap copy of the original NSA. Dual fasteners but no form, no style.


What?


Comp-Tac C.T.A.C.

www.comp-tac.com/catalog/images/CTAC.jpg


Galco NSA II

www.usgalco.com/Marketing/photos/nsa1.jpg


The differences between the NSA and NSA II being the type of leather and the lack of any mouth reinforcement on the NSA II. I've never seen any NSA or NSA II holsters with more than one mounting point, so I'm not sure what you're going on about with "dual fasteners".

I'm still struggling to see ANY similarities between the two entirely different platforms.



Dual fasteners, as in dual hardware fasteners, not dual loops.
The image of an NSA you pictured is not an NSA it is an NSA II.
,
Sorry about that but I did not mis speak.
Walkure  [Team Member]
10/24/2008 6:48:27 PM

Originally Posted By ALAN308:
Dual fasteners, as in dual hardware fasteners, not dual loops.
The image of an NSA you pictured is not an NSA it is an NSA II.
,
Sorry about that but I did not mis speak.


I clearly stated that the pic was an NSA II, and not an NSA - don't have either, and no readily available NSA pics online, since they're not produced any longer - and then I stated the most significant differences between the NSA and NSA II that I was aware of.



But you still hold that the CTAC is merely a ripoff of the NSA? How, exactly? The two platforms aren't related in the slightest.
ferretray  [Member]
10/25/2008 8:12:58 AM
I'm going with a Milt Sparks Summer Special II for now. I bought from another forumite. I'll probably order a Tucker or Milt Sparks tuckable type holster for next summer.
I like the looks of the Tucker Texas Heritage. The MS VM II is a fine holster.
Get back on topic guys. You can argue via PM.
shawn15  [Member]
10/29/2008 1:54:50 PM
stainless comander with a clipdraw carried at the small of the back, centered,balanced,HIDDEN
NWEng  [Member]
11/6/2008 9:56:00 PM
Kramer IWB #3
http://www.kramerleather.com/productDetail.cfm?productID=6&categoryID=23
sleepdr  [Team Member]
11/13/2008 2:56:53 PM
I use a Kramer IWB#2. IWB#3 is probably more comfortable.
d90king  [Member]
11/15/2008 8:49:56 AM
M.S VMII or Bulman are great. Tucker also makes a great Kydex/leather holster that looks very good too and might be a better training rig also.
MissouriBob  [Team Member]
11/16/2008 1:41:01 AM
I just ordered an IWB from TTGunLeather for my Sig 239 SAS. It looks a lot like the VMII but you get it in about half the time and half the price (I hope).
M-Forgery  [Team Member]
11/25/2008 1:47:52 AM
Brommeland Max-Con V