Alternatives to Raven Concealment

With the whole Raven Concealment rage going on, I've decided not to hop on the RC bandwagon per say. Granted they put out fantastic products, no doubt about it, but I am sure they're plenty of alternatives.

Please keep this thread clean of statements degrading other companies. Keep statements like "So and so copied Raven concealment" out of here, RC isn't the first company to mold two thin kydex pieces together.

So without further ado, here are some of the companies I know that are similar to RC. Do chip in other companies that aren't listed!

** If anybody has a review on the holsters, feel free to post the page as I will link it on this first post**

Peters Custom Holsters <––-Good to go! Review

SharkTac Holsters <––- NOT Good to go Shotty workmanship, too expensive, near impossible to get hold of

NTAC Holsters <––- Good to go!

Atomic Dog Holsters <––- Good to go! Review, Info Thread

Kaluban Cloak Holsters <––- Good to go!

Personal Security Holsters <––- Good to go! Review

Exo Concealment

Kolbeson Leatherworks (Provides both Kydex and Leather)

Secret City Weaponeers (Looks incredibly promising, link to introduction of Secret City) <––- Good to go!

JMC Custom Holsters (ITS Tactical review)

Cane And Derby <––- Good to go! Discussion

Pitbull Tactical

Casino Custom Holster

Patriot Concealment

JM Custom Kydex

Rule of Concealment

Armordillo Concealment

Hideous Holsters

STAY ON TOPIC! THIS IS NOT A DEBATE!

EDIT: **UPDATED HOLSTER LIST September/21/2011**

I've had a RC holster for my USP9C for quite a while and really like it. These that you've linked to look pretty nice. I may have to look into them for my next holster purchase.

Ah! Another one!

Atomic Dog Holsters

Show us previous pics to ravens holsters being released 4+ years ago that are show to be like ravens...


so its ok for the others to rip off raven is what your saying

No thanks no suport for the rip offs

again show us were raven copied some one?


sorry back to the copy rip off holster scamers thread


I guess guys like vickers, pat rogers, hackathorn, MP use them for a reason

Rip off or not, (and lets face it, kydex holsters are NOT a raven original) the way RC has gotten lately is costing them customers.

Their CS pissed me off about 2 weeks ago, Of the last two holsters my friends have taken delivery of, one was to tight for use, the other to loose.

This should get interesting.

Probably, but I wear a raven holster every day so it's not like I don't know anything about their product.

I wear one everyday as well and have for years now. Two days ago when I was standing on a street in the middle of Baquba (sp?) Iraq, my Glock 19 was riding in a Raven Concealment Phantom holster. I literally trust my life to their products.

Regardless of whether or not companies "copied off" Raven Concealment, this thread is for those that simply don't want the wait the the excruciating 70-75 day backorder. Granted they are worth every dollar, I have no doubt about that.

But please RSF, do try to stay on the topic, I meant this to be a informative thread.

Really try ordering from a leather maker


You want it right or you want it fast.......

No one says they are originals of kydex but there design and modularity freaking is and again show me a photos of holster that has looked like there's in the past umpteen years

but hey its cool support the rips off........

Ill wait for the real deal there time frame will be decreasing in the near months as they have moved to bigger better place and added more staff

as for CS i doubt it was bad but then again anyone can have a bad day care to relate why it was bad and who you talked too? and why

again seams pretty freaking funny that all the copies look like raven but you never saw these guys (rip off clones copies ) until raven came out made a name for themselves in the industry funny never saw that with other kydex and it took the shooting world storm...


go figure the motto of trusted and used by professionals and copied by amateurs hold true to this doesn't it


Brother stony.......... let me know when your home brother beers and stogies on you

Well stated amigo.

Whatever RSF, I'm not going to argue over the internet. Just try to stay on topic.

Sure no worries, as soon i someone coughs up proof of prior proof of production rigs that look and are made like raven prior to 5- years ago

I offer facts in the issue not well there not the first to make kydex yadda etc.....

But to each is own until your ideas are ripped off copied and stolen for profit

i wouldn't say argue, I would say factual debate....enjoy.

You dont spell like this on MGO and always keep quiet on MGO about Raven and NTAC. Anyways, I sent you a PM about some private training, please respond.

You could always try making your own. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=10&f=17&t=628104

Thats what I just started doing, pretty cool and pretty easy for the most part. Im just trying to find the easiest way to cut the kydex and keep it square.

I was told a 40 day wait time for a ghost, no biggie, I waited that for my phantom. At 30 days I emailed to see if I could change the holster to an M&P one, and add some owb hooks for my phantom.

Jay told me that it had already been made and that I would have to accept as is or cancel the holster and was given a new quote for the extra stuff.

I emailed jay back less than 2 minutes after getting that email (love smart phones) and told him that I'd accept delivery as is.

Keep in mind I'd already waited a month and had been told my holster was done and ready to ship.

2 months later I still hadn't gotten my holster. Jay emails me and tells me my card was rejected. Well, yeah, He'd apparently ignored the email that said ship it, that also had new card info in it.

The tone got pretty hateful towards me, so I called bob who was extremely cool about the whole thing. Turns out Jay never actually added the extra stuff either despite even taking the time to quote me a price. I cancelled the order and will order from someone else. I'm not dealing with a guy that can't read his emails and tries to make me wait 2 extra months for a holster he'd told me was done and ready to ship.


Ignoring your emails is bad CS.

Getting rude with the customer because you ignored the customers emails is bad CS.


forgetting to ship a ready to ship package for 2 months is bad CS.

Now, I'll watch you blame it all on me and defend them.

Nope i asked a question, there is a reason they have new business manager,

and not the makers dealing with customers....


Still doesn't make right to rip them off..............

This happened less than 3 weeks ago, I hope he's pretty fucking new.

And as I said, of the last two products they've shipped to friends, they've been useless.

Well be pissy all you wan,t call ask for Tom f no one else.....

he will be very helpfull

and if there is an issue with the holsters explain that lose the attitude and no matter what they will fix it if not send it the fuck back get a refund and stop crying about it and go order some other cheap shit ripoff

as for other holster as you bring new guys in the loop there will be some differences im sure as each are handmade

again call talk to Tom f.

tag

Your attitude will be turning customers AWAY from RCS man. THEY should have lost the attitude, and they wouldn't have lost a customer.

To be fair, I've traded emails with tom at raven this morning and he is seeing what he can do to make everything right.

Also, to be fair, I've spoken with NTAC and they've shown the same great attitude towards Customer service as Tom has.

Not sure who ill order my next set up from but I'm sure either will take care of their customers great.

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Yeah, hopefully I'll have a holster made by shark tac next weekend. I do hope its not $90 as listed on his site. Thats BS

Just got mine. Quality is good. Fits good enough. When I originally ordered, the site stated 30 days. Once they replied to the order, 45-50 days. I called near the 30 day mark and explained that I needed it for travel for work and was told that they had told me 45-50 days in their reply, so tough. Didn't have it when I needed it. Frustrating. Had to borrow an old rig from a buddy of mine. Once they did get it made, no shipping info provided. I called and asked about the shipping info and the guy I talked to couldn't tell me when it would ship or when I would have it for sure.

I am not going to say that I wouldn't order from them again, I just won't rely on them if I have a deadline of any kind. Unfortunate. I will look elsewhere first next time though.

Ive had a similar experience with the company. I was quoted 40 days it was around day 50 when I emailed them asking whats up. They said It would probably be another week for my order to complete. So I waited another 7 or 8 days and logged back on to their website. There was a little notice that said they prematurely deleted my credit card information and I would need to call them up and give them my information. Just to note: The notice was not sent to my email and I was not called. So after about another week of calling them and getting a voice mail they finally called me back. No apology on the phone for losing my credit card information no I'm sorry it took more time than quoted. Nothing but what is your credit card number. Then it took them another 4 days to ship my order after that phone call.

Its really sad they treat their clients like that, especially because they make a great product. This experience made me look into the DIY forum post on kydex molding.


ETA: because of this post, Tom just contacted me and apologized for the issues I experienced. I will definitely give them another try.

I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion even if it is incorrect. Your use of the word rip-off doesnt apply here, and the correct word would be competition.
Your argument is like saying because AT&T provided the first mobile phone service that every company that enters the market there after is crap/a rip-off even though those other companies might provide better alternatives.
Nonetheless, mission drives the gear and this isnt a who had it first thread this is a who has what works thread.
Raven is hard to beat for those that carry iwb. But what about those who want a sturdier kydex owb holster? Peters holster provides a better alternative IMHO while still using the same design and material so does that make them a rip-off?

peters design is different and i sue there gear as well

Raven holsters are nothing more than an ARFCOM fad among the many fanboy fads that run rampant here. In reality, Raven holsters are bulky for their purpose, have an excessive amount of kydex surface area that is not needed, and use too much material for its application in the first place. It is an attempt to make a "Universal does everything Holster", and it is mediocre at best. OP, for the money, I would suggest the company that originally came up with the idea of putting 2 pieces of plastic together, FIST. Also, as an alternative, their competing companty, Desantis, has a very servicable IWB in the same style as Fist and Raven, which is called the Scorpion. The Desantis Scorpion and FIST offerings are made just for IWB, do not have unneccesary bulk, excess material, and a sub optimal attempt at a do everthing design. These manufacturers are also not "One trick Ponies" with the various issues that Raven always seems to have.

Scorpion

FIST

Funny seams like raven was in use by many HSLD guys well before the arfcom crowd got a hold of them

Including vickers/hackathorn and others so your a little mislead and actually your wrong.

Nope not a one trick pony i guess you have never used them or owned them based on your comments unless you built like a small child.


they are no larger than many other holsters in side by side test.

I like fist holsters used them for a while thin and but the sewn part coming undone has been issue for me, in past...


and try to find a holster to were IWB while running a weapons like


Raven has more government contracts than you can shake a fist at......... some depts and agency's and other some have never heard about MIL elite units and private contractors thats called clue

Er....what? Grammar...punctuation?

Regardless, try to bring information relating to alternatives to RCS.

sorry from my little phone keyboard get over it, its not a college paper


wrong is wrong. copy and rip offs are just that, stealing others property and design is shit by lazy ass no talent people.........sorry facts are facts


peters is about the only other i would use and run.......

So...Are BCM and Noveske run by lazy ass no talent people by copying the armalite design? Facts are facts right?

Wow...

You are wrong.

SO how am i wrong? lets hear your proof?

I have factual proof, time line data and more you have the internet.and rumors and BS


as to BCM and noveske armalight ill take a bcm over the other too since I own each brand i can say that in confidence


there is a difference when stealing others thoughts design and ideas vs contracts like the m-14 and m1 carbine huh

do any of you know the time line history and development of these holsters funny how all the rip off copies showed up after raven became very successful

get what you want


i don't really care, to be honest. but i do know this those ripping them off should be looking for a new design soon and yes ripping off others design is a sign of no talent and laziness and lack of imagination


Sorry truth hurts....


me i have better to do than argue with nameless fact less comments

It sure doesn't seem that way...

Just got my NTAC holster in tonight, it's pretty awsome so far, wore it to wal mart.

Just a quick question USAFcatm, are the IWB clips different then the OWB clips?

They are not. The OWB clips are sort of "[" shaped, with screw holes at the top and bottom.
see http://ntacholsters.com/store/WsDefault.asp?One=14 for a holster with OWB clips


The IWB clips look like sort of like a lower case "q" with two screw holes at the bottom.
see http://ntacholsters.com/store/WsDefault.asp?One=15 for a holster with IWB clips

The NTAC I got for my M&P9c didn't quite hug my side as close as I'd like, so I contacted John, and he sent me new clips, which look like the IWB clips, but have screw holes at the top, where the strip curls under the loop, and at the bottom. That helped draw the pistol in tight. Sorry no pic.

Got my holster back when the wait wasn't bad....but waiting 70 days for two mag holders is getting a bit rough.



GM

I've had an order in at Raven for over a month and then the wait was 70-75 days I believe, I think I may try one of the Ntac holsters in the mean time, the wait time there is much much less and its a very similar product. A bit cheaper as well

i just got a raven today it looks awesome but is so tight i cant pull my gun out of it after about 20 minutes of wrestling with it finally released. i emailed jay to see what my options are.

I also got the 70 - 75 day wait message. Once I hit the 3 month mark and didnt hear anything I canceled my order and placed an order with NTAC whos wait was 9 days. My order shipped on the 8th day. I have had the NTAC for about a month now and all I can say is its a great holster! the custmer service is also great.

This is how they sell their holsters at my local gun show


http://ingunowners.com/forums/break_room/94580-raven_concealment_girl_in_ingo_gear_pics.html

For the guy who is asking about Raven holsters....

Thanks for the bump - lots of good info in here!

I narrowed my search down between Aholster and Raven Concealment… I went with RC but Aholster looked good to, just could not find many reviews.

Friend of mine is currently at 4 months waiting for Raven to replace his broken belt clips. Seems their good customer service is rapidly becoming a myth.

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