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 MTAC vs Milt Sparks VM2
zbburch  [Member]
11/16/2011 9:03:02 PM
My 21st is right around the corner. I already have a Glock 19 that I will be carrying. I have done my research and narrowed it down to the MTAC and the Milt Sparks VM2. Problem is I just can't decide which one I want. What I'm looking for is your personal opinions on which one to go with and why I should do so. Price difference doesn't bother me.

If you have both (or something similar to both) I would love to hear which you prefer. Thanks a lot all.

Also, if there is something else that you think I should consider by all means chime in. Please give me good reasons why though.



ETA: Update 1: Ordered a MTAC tonight for the Glock 19 (not the slide model) with regular clips. Also ordered a Wilderness Instructor Belt (5-stitch) which by the way they are not charging for 5 stitch models right now and the polymer lined ones are only +$5.00 (usually +$10.00). Thanks for all your help guys, it is much appreciated.

Update 2: I already received my MTAC which is crazy considering It arrived in 4 days, one of those being Thanksgiving! I am extremely happy with my purchase. I tried it on today with just a cheap belt I had laying around and wore it for about an hour or so while doing yard work. It is quite comfortable and it made my G19 disappear with just jeans and a t-shirt. I couldn't believe how easy it was. I still have to wait to actually turn 21 before I can start carrying but it will definitely be getting break in time around the house. I am amazed at how the gun just disappeared. I really thought I would have to fight to try and hide the grip cause I'm a very thin person (145lbs soaking wet) but it was too easy. My parents and girlfriend didn't notice at all. I'll update again after I've had some real carry time under my belt (have to wait awhile though). Thanks a lot for the help guys.

monkey_AR  [Member]
11/17/2011 12:22:34 PM
Milt Sparks makes great holsters. I have a Summer Special for my G19 and I know a friend who has a VM. They are great holsters but he now uses a Comptac most of the time. Price may not bother you but check the current lead time on Milt Sparks holsters now. Last time I looked it was 6+ months.
housewolf  [Team Member]
11/17/2011 1:36:21 PM
I have a VMII for my Colt Officer's Model. About six weeks ago I drove straight though from just south of Asheville NC to just north of Houston TX with it on. It never occurred to me to take it off. There was no discomfort whatsoever.

Two days ago I ordered an MTAC for my M&P. I've tried this pistol with a VMII knock off that I don't much care for but I don't want to wait the 6 months for another VMII; a holster I may use once or twice a month. I'll report back when I receive the MTAC.

I almost always carry the OM and my original intention was to get a VMII for all my handguns but the OM in the VMII is just so comfortable I don't want to carry anything else. I do intend to carry the M&P a couple days a month though.

I didn't realize until I ordered, but Comptac is local to me, sales tax!!

ETA: ohh and congrats on the CHL.
D_CRISIS  [Team Member]
11/18/2011 8:34:44 AM
I love my mtac and highly recommend it. get the c-clips for it if you get one.
Gregory_K  [Team Member]
11/18/2011 9:15:21 AM
Get both sell the one you do not like. Holster fit is more of a personal body problem.
darktide  [Team Member]
11/18/2011 1:02:45 PM
I rode my Glock in a Milt Sparks VM2 for about a year before discovering the MTAC a few years? ago. the VM2 is a damn heirloom, leather, amazing craftsmanship though a tad thick.... the Mtac is a production, workhorse, comfortable as all hell holster... I literally will wear it all day and not notice it, even if I'm lounging @ my house on the couch...

Plus the wait on a VM2 is still pretty long... =)
zbburch  [Member]
11/20/2011 10:59:57 PM
Thanks a lot all. I believe I'm going to place my order for the MTAC sometime this week. Now I just have to decide if i want a slide version or not.

I'm worried that i'll bump the bottom of the gun on something and cause it to fall or get dislodged from the holster... have you guys had any issues with this?
DOE  [Member]
11/21/2011 12:01:47 PM
Since it's level I retention, you have to be aware of high armrests. Like movie theaters and restaurants. No graceful way to have your gun plop on a carpeted or concrete floor. Excuse me, could you move your feet. That's the draw back from the slide version, but you do get to put on several guns of varying barrel lengths.

Another thing, and it depends on how you modify the plastic belt clips and body type. Mine is three down from the clip edge, which means that there are two holes extra that extend down past the leather holster edge. This hindered me from pulling out my wallet, since the wallet edge would hit the plastic strip. I cut off the extra length and radiused them to my needs.
zbburch  [Member]
11/22/2011 1:36:09 PM
Originally Posted By DOE:
Since it's level I retention, you have to be aware of high armrests. Like movie theaters and restaurants. No graceful way to have your gun plop on a carpeted or concrete floor. Excuse me, could you move your feet. That's the draw back from the slide version, but you do get to put on several guns of varying barrel lengths.

Another thing, and it depends on how you modify the plastic belt clips and body type. Mine is three down from the clip edge, which means that there are two holes extra that extend down past the leather holster edge. This hindered me from pulling out my wallet, since the wallet edge would hit the plastic strip. I cut off the extra length and radiused them to my needs.


Hmm good to know. Thanks. I think I will just go with the one specific for the G19, and if I ever decide to get a 17/34 or 22/35, i'll just buy the slide shell. Plus I highly doubt my next glock will be larger than a 19, it will probably be a 26/27 so I could still use the 19 size shell just fine.

Hopefully, if all goes well, I can purchase a 1911 on my 21st birthday and i'll prob get a shell for that too.

Off to the gun store to see if they will get and hold a 1911 for me that I can pick up on the day. Some people drink on their 21st, I'll probably just hit the range
SISUltra  [Team Member]
11/22/2011 6:22:13 PM
I have the VM2 for my Glock 19. I would not trade it for anything else. That being said I heard that the MTAC is also a very nice holster. I believe there is a fairly sizable price difference. The VM2 is extremely comfortable. I can wear it all day. Hell I have fell asleep with it on before. Weapon retention is no problem with the VM2. I CCW'd in the Texas State fair the last time I was in Texas. I road rides with my daughter, including the "falling star" or whatever it is, the ride that takes you up about 10 stories and just drops you straight down. Glock didnt even budge in the holster. I had a VM2 when I had my Kimber SIS Ultra as well and loved it. More than worth the money.

If you are going to try and get a VM2 then you will have to wait a really long time as well. I believe Milt Sparks' lead time is about 6 months IF you can get your order in on time. They are extremely busy during their very small window where they take new orders. I got mine from topgunsupply.com. You can sign up for an email notification from TGS and if you are paying attention can grab a VM2 from them at a reasonable price. That is the route I went since I didn't feel like waiting 6 months for a shark skin holster.

CharlieHo  [Team Member]
11/22/2011 6:33:47 PM
I bought an M-TAC to use while waiting for my VM2 for my 1911.

I much prefer the VM2.

I did buy and extra shell for my XD, as I didn't really care for the C-TAC.

I DO, however, like that you can tuck either TAC model. Can't do the with the VM2.

Definitely get the C clips if you go with the M-TAC.
zbburch  [Member]
11/22/2011 11:40:18 PM
Update in OP
Mbree  [Team Member]
11/23/2011 9:33:30 AM
Originally Posted By CharlieHo:
I bought an M-TAC to use while waiting for my VM2 for my 1911.

I much prefer the VM2.

I did buy and extra shell for my XD, as I didn't really care for the C-TAC.

I DO, however, like that you can tuck either TAC model. Can't do the with the VM2.

Definitely get the C clips if you go with the M-TAC.


Just FYI...you can buy tuckable clips for the VM2. They work very well and are more concealed than the mtac clips. It takes some practice getting the VM2 in place with the tuckable option as the clips are on the pants, not the belt, but that is why it conceals better.

And you can order the clips from Milt Sparks without a wait...they are a 'stock' accessory.

OP: I have both the mtac and VM2 for my G19. The VM2 is thicker, but is rock solid. Both are very comfortable, with a slight edge probably going to mtac. The mtac took some break in time and messing with screw tension, while the VM2 was ready right out of the package. The mtac can be adjusted for cant, not so with the VM2.

I see you ordered an mtac...nothing wrong with that choice. But if you get a chance to acquire a VM2, I highly recommend it. If nothing else, you can say you own one of the best all leather holsters around, and you will have a backup to your mtac.

EDIT: Just another opinion, but I didn't like the c-clips on the mtac. I tried them, and they tended to pop off my belts (especially the wilderness, as it is a bit thinner than most leather belts). The best fit with the c clips was with the comp-tac belt, as it is the thickest belt I have have, but it still was not as solid as I prefer, so I don't use them.
housewolf  [Team Member]
11/23/2011 12:26:35 PM
I received my M-TAC for my M&P 9 yesterday and have been wearing it since. I do prefer my OM in the VMII but there is nothing wrong with this holster at all. I'm sure it's hard to compare two holsters with different guns. I know I rather carry the OM than the M&P anyway but the OM is at the smith. I haven't made any adjustments just slipped in on right out of the bag. I'll fool around with it a bit over the weekend and see how it feels then. It's very comfortable as it is, I'm just not so sure it's concealing as well as my OM which disappears in the MS holster. I'm sure you'll be very happy with the M-TAC but the VMII would get the nod IMO.
ibewbull  [Member]
11/24/2011 11:51:06 AM
>>>>>>>> Holster WARNING <<<<<<<<<<

I don't have first hand experience with these but wanted to pass the word on to you all.
We can never have too much information and safety first ALWAYS.
Mike_P  [Team Member]
11/24/2011 6:31:31 PM
Originally Posted By ibewbull:
>>>>>>>> Holster WARNING <<<<<<<<<<

I don't have first hand experience with these but wanted to pass the word on to you all.
We can never have too much information and safety first ALWAYS.


I read through the post and it seems like a bunch of misinformation. Once you get to the bottom of it, Comptac does reply and let everyone know that the posters holster was in fact modified after purchase. Also odd is that the original poster vanishes and is never heard from again. It's actually a thread from a year or so ago that people just bumped, not something I would take to heart knowing the quality Comptac offers and how they back their product.
molar  [Member]
11/27/2011 8:25:56 PM
Originally Posted By housewolf:
I received my M-TAC for my M&P 9 yesterday and have been wearing it since. I do prefer my OM in the VMII but there is nothing wrong with this holster at all. I'm sure it's hard to compare two holsters with different guns. I know I rather carry the OM than the M&P anyway but the OM is at the smith. I haven't made any adjustments just slipped in on right out of the bag. I'll fool around with it a bit over the weekend and see how it feels then. It's very comfortable as it is, I'm just not so sure it's concealing as well as my OM which disappears in the MS holster. I'm sure you'll be very happy with the M-TAC but the VMII would get the nod IMO.


I too, am deciding between the MTAC and MS VMII. You think the VMII conceals better? Other folks have told me it is a pretty thick holster.
zbburch  [Member]
11/27/2011 11:11:46 PM
Another update in OP
housewolf  [Team Member]
11/28/2011 9:31:09 AM
Originally Posted By molar:
Originally Posted By housewolf:
I received my M-TAC for my M&P 9 yesterday and have been wearing it since. I do prefer my OM in the VMII but there is nothing wrong with this holster at all. I'm sure it's hard to compare two holsters with different guns. I know I rather carry the OM than the M&P anyway but the OM is at the smith. I haven't made any adjustments just slipped in on right out of the bag. I'll fool around with it a bit over the weekend and see how it feels then. It's very comfortable as it is, I'm just not so sure it's concealing as well as my OM which disappears in the MS holster. I'm sure you'll be very happy with the M-TAC but the VMII would get the nod IMO.


I too, am deciding between the MTAC and MS VMII. You think the VMII conceals better? Other folks have told me it is a pretty thick holster.


I think my VMII conceals my LWOM better than the M-TAC conceals my M&P. That's not apples to apples. I've raised the front clip one hole and have been wearing this M-TAC for the last five days. I really like this holster and can't imagine anyone that's given it a chance being disappointed with it. The kydex clips seem kind of Mickey Mouse compared to the leather loops on the VMII but they haven't once come loose. I wear the M-TAC a little further back than the VMII but I think that's driven more by the pistol than the holster. The OM has a shorter thinner grip than the M&P.
DOE  [Member]
11/28/2011 11:54:28 PM
Originally Posted By molar:
Originally Posted By housewolf:
I received my M-TAC for my M&P 9 yesterday and have been wearing it since. I do prefer my OM in the VMII but there is nothing wrong with this holster at all. I'm sure it's hard to compare two holsters with different guns. I know I rather carry the OM than the M&P anyway but the OM is at the smith. I haven't made any adjustments just slipped in on right out of the bag. I'll fool around with it a bit over the weekend and see how it feels then. It's very comfortable as it is, I'm just not so sure it's concealing as well as my OM which disappears in the MS holster. I'm sure you'll be very happy with the M-TAC but the VMII would get the nod IMO.


I too, am deciding between the MTAC and MS VMII. You think the VMII conceals better? Other folks have told me it is a pretty thick holster.


Mtac distributes the load very well. Makes for a slim profile. Loops on the actual holster shell makes for a lot of thick and a gap at the leading edge of the holster. YMMV. Apples to oranges, since the Mtac is tuckable.

Mbree  [Team Member]
11/30/2011 9:36:12 AM
Originally Posted By DOE:
Originally Posted By molar:
Originally Posted By housewolf:
I received my M-TAC for my M&P 9 yesterday and have been wearing it since. I do prefer my OM in the VMII but there is nothing wrong with this holster at all. I'm sure it's hard to compare two holsters with different guns. I know I rather carry the OM than the M&P anyway but the OM is at the smith. I haven't made any adjustments just slipped in on right out of the bag. I'll fool around with it a bit over the weekend and see how it feels then. It's very comfortable as it is, I'm just not so sure it's concealing as well as my OM which disappears in the MS holster. I'm sure you'll be very happy with the M-TAC but the VMII would get the nod IMO.


I too, am deciding between the MTAC and MS VMII. You think the VMII conceals better? Other folks have told me it is a pretty thick holster.


Mtac distributes the load very well. Makes for a slim profile. Loops on the actual holster shell makes for a lot of thick and a gap at the leading edge of the holster. YMMV. Apples to oranges, since the Mtac is tuckable.



See above...Milt Sparks has an option to allow for 'tuckable'. More like Macintosh versus GrannySmith.
308hotbrass  [Member]
12/2/2011 7:50:29 PM
I have owned the MTAC, MSVMII, and Crossbreed. Sold the MSVMII, sold an MTAC, now have one MTAC, and a Crossbreed. Wear the Crossbreed 90% of the time. IMHO, the MTAC and Crossbreed are BOTH more comfortable than the MSVMII.