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potent .45ACP loads for the woods ?
12/21/2011 9:48:20 AM
If a .45 was all you had to carry for a wilderness foray, what would you recommend to stoke it with?
I'm talking factory loads here.
I'd imagine a good hot hard cast out of a 5'' barrel would be better than nothing if you lack the manhood to carry at least a 10mm...
EDIT-
This is the best I could come up with so far-
Buffalo Bore 255gr +P Hard Cast
I'm talking factory loads here.
I'd imagine a good hot hard cast out of a 5'' barrel would be better than nothing if you lack the manhood to carry at least a 10mm...
EDIT-
This is the best I could come up with so far-
Buffalo Bore 255gr +P Hard Cast
12/21/2011 11:36:27 AM
What is your most likely threat?
I'm in florida, so I carry Speer shot shells and a handful of 158 SJSP .357's.
I'm in florida, so I carry Speer shot shells and a handful of 158 SJSP .357's.
12/21/2011 12:14:57 PM
Originally Posted By SecurityForcesmember:
What is your most likely threat?
I'm in florida, so I carry Speer shot shells and a handful of 158 SJSP .357's.
What is your most likely threat?
I'm in florida, so I carry Speer shot shells and a handful of 158 SJSP .357's.
There are black bears around but truth be told, it's the wild pigs that you truly need to be worried about around here, as far as danger in the local wilderness areas and National Forest goes.
Not to mention the upright 2 legged varmints which are the most likely threat anywhere in the world.
12/21/2011 1:07:40 PM
If you're not actively hunting any off the shielf 230g ball load will give any critter you'll see plenty of pause.
If hunting with the handgun state regs rule out fmj.
Either way its Arkansas not Alaska . A 22 revolver still makes a fine woods gun.
If hunting with the handgun state regs rule out fmj.
Either way its Arkansas not Alaska . A 22 revolver still makes a fine woods gun.
12/21/2011 2:02:50 PM
.460 Rowland conversion - .44 Magnum power in a 1911.
12/21/2011 2:28:01 PM
about any 45acp load here in SWFL
swc to ball to JHP
swc to ball to JHP
12/21/2011 3:34:23 PM
Originally Posted By Krochus:
If you're not actively hunting any off the shielf 230g ball load will give any critter you'll see plenty of pause.
If hunting with the handgun state regs rule out fmj.
Either way its Arkansas not Alaska . A 22 revolver still makes a fine woods gun.
If you're not actively hunting any off the shielf 230g ball load will give any critter you'll see plenty of pause.
If hunting with the handgun state regs rule out fmj.
Either way its Arkansas not Alaska . A 22 revolver still makes a fine woods gun.
I agree with everything you said, and it's true about the no FMJ for hunting. I'd not be hunting, I just pack my 1911 when I go out hiking with my son.
I'll prolly just get me a box of the Buffalo Bore just to have around for such a purpose.
12/21/2011 4:55:29 PM
12/21/2011 4:58:11 PM
Originally Posted By Bushman_269:
.460 Rowland conversion - .44 Magnum power in a 1911.
.460 Rowland conversion - .44 Magnum power in a 1911.
I like your thinking.....
12/22/2011 8:32:59 AM
While hiking in NC I carry a 1911 loaded with 230gr ball in a CMC 10 round power mag. I carry a 8 round spare loaded with RA45B's for the two legged, squeel like a pig types.
12/22/2011 9:18:19 AM
My Colt 1911 is mostly shot with mild 200gs swc lead loads. One of these days I should whip up some hotter loads .
A couple of thoughts;
Cast lead has long been a standard middle of the road go to for hunting. Not quite as impressive as JHP in the faster cartridges but with good penetration
and it holds together well if you hit large bones.The 45acp is pretty big to begin with so I think it would work for me.
Some 1911s don't work well with cast lead or are fussy about length, mine works well due to a ramp job years ago and I always test fire any new load to check reliability
A 1911 with its unsupported case head is no place to try and break records. If your gun has been throated by someone with a heavy hand be conservative.
I generally never push loading manuals much anyhow but with 45acp I am extra conservative.
A medium to heavy bullet going a fairly high but still conservative speed out of a 45acp will get most any job done if you do your part.
A couple of thoughts;
Cast lead has long been a standard middle of the road go to for hunting. Not quite as impressive as JHP in the faster cartridges but with good penetration
and it holds together well if you hit large bones.The 45acp is pretty big to begin with so I think it would work for me.
Some 1911s don't work well with cast lead or are fussy about length, mine works well due to a ramp job years ago and I always test fire any new load to check reliability
A 1911 with its unsupported case head is no place to try and break records. If your gun has been throated by someone with a heavy hand be conservative.
I generally never push loading manuals much anyhow but with 45acp I am extra conservative.
A medium to heavy bullet going a fairly high but still conservative speed out of a 45acp will get most any job done if you do your part.
1/1/2012 3:33:32 AM
Are you willing to buy enough Buffalo Bore ammunition to be sure that your pistol doesn't have any issues with it. Say 100 rounds. That stuff is pretty expensive. I'm not one of those internet commandos who believes that you have to fire x number of a particular ammo before you can be sure its reliable in your pistol, but I also wouldn't want to just buy one 20 round box of cast lead bullets for an 1911 and call it good either. At least not for something that I might have to depend on. Not knocking your choice, just something to think about. Personally I'd just go with a solid 230 grain JHP +P
1/2/2012 3:18:47 PM
I must aggree that 230gr. ball is most reliable and reliability is going to trump.
1/2/2012 6:49:39 PM
Originally Posted By ALAN308:
I must aggree that 230gr. ball is most reliable and reliability is going to trump.
I must aggree that 230gr. ball is most reliable and reliability is going to trump.
I mostly agree with you. But if you 1911 has 500 of your favorite HP's without fail then they will be good to go too.
1/3/2012 11:04:41 PM
230 ball already overpenetrates. How much more overpenetration do you need?
1/5/2012 8:29:48 PM
Originally Posted By Sgt_Gold:
230 ball already overpenetrates. How much more overpenetration do you need?
230 ball already overpenetrates. How much more overpenetration do you need?
There's no such thing as overpenatration for animals
1/5/2012 8:58:00 PM
Originally Posted By Krochus:
There's no such thing as overpenatration for animals
Originally Posted By Sgt_Gold:
230 ball already overpenetrates. How much more overpenetration do you need?
230 ball already overpenetrates. How much more overpenetration do you need?
There's no such thing as overpenatration for animals
While that's true 45 ACP has a limited case capacity, and the 1911 isn't the best choice for maxing out velocity or pressure. If I were going to push the envelope with a 45 caliber cartridge I'd be going with 45 Long Colt.
2/11/2012 10:41:34 PM
I carry the Federal 230 +p HST or Speer 200+p Gold Dots......Rem. 230+p Golden Sabers would have good penetration also.
2/12/2012 2:32:29 AM
For woods carry IF critters are a concern, realistically they aren't over most of the US. I'd run Hornady +P 230 XTP, lot's of penetration limted expansion.
2/12/2012 3:12:44 AM
Depends on the wilderness. There are no bears here so I would be completely comfortable with the PDX1 I use for normal carry.
If I were going where there are bears, I would want more gun, though your example round might be enough.
2/12/2012 8:25:17 AM
When I'm out an about in the Everglades or the woods I carry either 230 grain HST or RA 45 B.
They are capable of dispatching any four footed animal I'm likely to come up against but I'm more concerned with the two legged variety.
Sometimes I carry my .40 and I also go with HST, this time in 180 grain.
We don't have much of anything that a good self defense load won't handle; and that includes 9 mm.
They are capable of dispatching any four footed animal I'm likely to come up against but I'm more concerned with the two legged variety.
Sometimes I carry my .40 and I also go with HST, this time in 180 grain.
We don't have much of anything that a good self defense load won't handle; and that includes 9 mm.
2/13/2012 1:31:06 PM
Originally Posted By Thorgrim:
If a .45 was all you had to carry for a wilderness foray, what would you recommend to stoke it with?
I'm talking factory loads here.
I'd imagine a good hot hard cast out of a 5'' barrel would be better than nothing if you lack the manhood to carry at least a 10mm...
EDIT-
This is the best I could come up with so far-
Buffalo Bore 255gr +P Hard Cast
If a .45 was all you had to carry for a wilderness foray, what would you recommend to stoke it with?
I'm talking factory loads here.
I'd imagine a good hot hard cast out of a 5'' barrel would be better than nothing if you lack the manhood to carry at least a 10mm...
EDIT-
This is the best I could come up with so far-
Buffalo Bore 255gr +P Hard Cast
That load oughtta be good for nearly a meter (~37.7") of penetration in soft tissue. That's enough to shoot through three or four people facing you (if that is the threat that you are most worried about) and probably the bare minimum for going against smallish black bear (200-300 pounds).
2/14/2012 7:53:54 AM
Originally Posted By Thorgrim:
There are black bears around but truth be told, it's the wild pigs that you truly need to be worried about around here, as far as danger in the local wilderness areas and National Forest goes.
Not to mention the upright 2 legged varmints which are the most likely threat anywhere in the world.
Originally Posted By SecurityForcesmember:
What is your most likely threat?
I'm in florida, so I carry Speer shot shells and a handful of 158 SJSP .357's.
What is your most likely threat?
I'm in florida, so I carry Speer shot shells and a handful of 158 SJSP .357's.
There are black bears around but truth be told, it's the wild pigs that you truly need to be worried about around here, as far as danger in the local wilderness areas and National Forest goes.
Not to mention the upright 2 legged varmints which are the most likely threat anywhere in the world.
My apologies, I replied what I czarry, not what you were asking about. I somehow just caught that mistake. For a .45 ACP, I'd carry ball in the woods. If you can find it, the Speer Lawman 200 +P would be a sound choice I think.
2/14/2012 8:59:01 AM
Originally Posted By jmreagan:
While hiking in NC I carry a 1911 loaded with 230gr ball in a CMC 10 round power mag. I carry a 8 round spare loaded with RA45B's for the two legged, squeel like a pig types.
While hiking in NC I carry a 1911 loaded with 230gr ball in a CMC 10 round power mag. I carry a 8 round spare loaded with RA45B's for the two legged, squeel like a pig types.
I do the opposite with the ball in my spare mag
