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Looking for subsonic 44mag
10/10/2011 11:22:56 AM
Looking for subsonic 44mag
10/9/2011 5:58:09 PM
try 44 special ammunition. It's all subsonic.
10/9/2011 7:09:12 PM
Originally Posted By vengarr:
try 44 special ammunition. It's all subsonic.
try 44 special ammunition. It's all subsonic.
Correct, but less accurate and less heavy hitting.
10/10/2011 11:22:42 AM
Originally Posted By sanman28:
Correct, but less accurate and less heavy hitting.
Originally Posted By vengarr:
try 44 special ammunition. It's all subsonic.
try 44 special ammunition. It's all subsonic.
Correct, but less accurate and less heavy hitting.
Your post makes no sense.
The .44mag and .44spl both shoot the exact same bullets, it's just that the latter does it at lower velocity. So if you shoot a subsonic .44spl, or you download a .44mag to shoot the same velocity as the .44spl in the first place, you get the same exact results. Also, you can't make a blanket statement that all ammo that has lower velocity is less accurate, can you?
10/10/2011 12:09:04 PM
E=mc2 will not be denied.
You can't have an object of the same weight to travel considerably slower(sub-sonic) and expect it to deliver the same energy on impact.
I suppose you could load a heavy hard cast bullet in a 44sp. case and keep it subsonic ala the 300 Whisper concept.
Mr. Keith made some interesting strides with cast bullets in the .44 diameter.
Another reason to use the Spec. case:
Complete burning of all powder due to a even powder column ie the case being partway full will result in powder laying at the bottom of the case at ignition, this is a minor factor but you mentioned accuracy.
You can't have an object of the same weight to travel considerably slower(sub-sonic) and expect it to deliver the same energy on impact.
I suppose you could load a heavy hard cast bullet in a 44sp. case and keep it subsonic ala the 300 Whisper concept.
Mr. Keith made some interesting strides with cast bullets in the .44 diameter.
Another reason to use the Spec. case:
Complete burning of all powder due to a even powder column ie the case being partway full will result in powder laying at the bottom of the case at ignition, this is a minor factor but you mentioned accuracy.
10/10/2011 12:31:49 PM
Originally Posted By Rudison:
E=mc2 will not be denied.
E=mc2 will not be denied.
I think you meant E=mv2, but even more relevant is p = mv.
10/10/2011 12:43:58 PM
Originally Posted By Zhukov:
I think you meant E=mv2, but even more relevant is p = mv.
Originally Posted By Rudison:
E=mc2 will not be denied.
E=mc2 will not be denied.
I think you meant E=mv2, but even more relevant is p = mv.
Noted and correction accepted.
OP regardless of how slow you get these bullets moving...they'z still gonna be LOUD.
10/10/2011 3:40:41 PM
Originally Posted By Zhukov:
Your post makes no sense.
The .44mag and .44spl both shoot the exact same bullets, it's just that the latter does it at lower velocity. So if you shoot a subsonic .44spl, or you download a .44mag to shoot the same velocity as the .44spl in the first place, you get the same exact results. Also, you can't make a blanket statement that all ammo that has lower velocity is less accurate, can you?
Originally Posted By sanman28:
Correct, but less accurate and less heavy hitting.
Originally Posted By vengarr:
try 44 special ammunition. It's all subsonic.
try 44 special ammunition. It's all subsonic.
Correct, but less accurate and less heavy hitting.
Your post makes no sense.
The .44mag and .44spl both shoot the exact same bullets, it's just that the latter does it at lower velocity. So if you shoot a subsonic .44spl, or you download a .44mag to shoot the same velocity as the .44spl in the first place, you get the same exact results. Also, you can't make a blanket statement that all ammo that has lower velocity is less accurate, can you?
Wrong. Handloaded 44mag subsonics are usually 250, 275, or 300gr bullets right around 1000fps. Factory 44specials are usually not over 180gr and 800fps unless they are hot loaded. And no, the 44speical is not the same size as a 44mag. Can it be fired, yes, will be as accurate, no. Two different chambers in my rifle.
10/10/2011 3:59:19 PM
Originally Posted By sanman28:
Wrong. Handloaded 44mag subsonics are usually 250, 275, or 300gr bullets right around 1000fps. Factory 44specials are usually not over 180gr and 800fps unless they are hot loaded. And no, the 44speical is not the same size as a 44mag. Can it be fired, yes, will be as accurate, no. Two different chambers in my rifle.
Originally Posted By Zhukov:
Your post makes no sense.
The .44mag and .44spl both shoot the exact same bullets, it's just that the latter does it at lower velocity. So if you shoot a subsonic .44spl, or you download a .44mag to shoot the same velocity as the .44spl in the first place, you get the same exact results. Also, you can't make a blanket statement that all ammo that has lower velocity is less accurate, can you?
Originally Posted By sanman28:
Correct, but less accurate and less heavy hitting.
Originally Posted By vengarr:
try 44 special ammunition. It's all subsonic.
try 44 special ammunition. It's all subsonic.
Correct, but less accurate and less heavy hitting.
Your post makes no sense.
The .44mag and .44spl both shoot the exact same bullets, it's just that the latter does it at lower velocity. So if you shoot a subsonic .44spl, or you download a .44mag to shoot the same velocity as the .44spl in the first place, you get the same exact results. Also, you can't make a blanket statement that all ammo that has lower velocity is less accurate, can you?
Wrong. Handloaded 44mag subsonics are usually 250, 275, or 300gr bullets right around 1000fps. Factory 44specials are usually not over 180gr and 800fps unless they are hot loaded. And no, the 44speical is not the same size as a 44mag. Can it be fired, yes, will be as accurate, no. Two different chambers in my rifle.
I am confused, if you already know everything relating to 44mag subsonics then why are you asking questions on where to find them? Go to google, type in "44mag subsonics", check out a few links, and there ya go......
10/10/2011 4:01:07 PM
Originally Posted By sanman28:
Wrong. Handloaded 44mag subsonics are usually 250, 275, or 300gr bullets right around 1000fps. Factory 44specials are usually not over 180gr and 800fps unless they are hot loaded. And no, the 44speical is not the same size as a 44mag. Can it be fired, yes, will be as accurate, no. Two different chambers in my rifle.
Originally Posted By Zhukov:
Your post makes no sense.
The .44mag and .44spl both shoot the exact same bullets, it's just that the latter does it at lower velocity. So if you shoot a subsonic .44spl, or you download a .44mag to shoot the same velocity as the .44spl in the first place, you get the same exact results. Also, you can't make a blanket statement that all ammo that has lower velocity is less accurate, can you?
Originally Posted By sanman28:
Correct, but less accurate and less heavy hitting.
Originally Posted By vengarr:
try 44 special ammunition. It's all subsonic.
try 44 special ammunition. It's all subsonic.
Correct, but less accurate and less heavy hitting.
Your post makes no sense.
The .44mag and .44spl both shoot the exact same bullets, it's just that the latter does it at lower velocity. So if you shoot a subsonic .44spl, or you download a .44mag to shoot the same velocity as the .44spl in the first place, you get the same exact results. Also, you can't make a blanket statement that all ammo that has lower velocity is less accurate, can you?
Wrong. Handloaded 44mag subsonics are usually 250, 275, or 300gr bullets right around 1000fps. Factory 44specials are usually not over 180gr and 800fps unless they are hot loaded. And no, the 44speical is not the same size as a 44mag. Can it be fired, yes, will be as accurate, no. Two different chambers in my rifle.
Ummm 44 mag and 44 special are the same size except the mag is longer, what the hell do you mena your rifle has "2" chambers? Sounds like someone doen't know their arse from a hole in the ground. 44 special is the more accurate of the 2 rounds as well, it was quite popular as a target round in the past.
10/10/2011 4:06:41 PM
Originally Posted By sanman28:
Wrong. Handloaded 44mag subsonics are usually 250, 275, or 300gr bullets right around 1000fps. Factory 44specials are usually not over 180gr and 800fps unless they are hot loaded. And no, the 44speical is not the same size as a 44mag. Can it be fired, yes, will be as accurate, no. Two different chambers in my rifle.
Originally Posted By Zhukov:
Your post makes no sense.
The .44mag and .44spl both shoot the exact same bullets, it's just that the latter does it at lower velocity. So if you shoot a subsonic .44spl, or you download a .44mag to shoot the same velocity as the .44spl in the first place, you get the same exact results. Also, you can't make a blanket statement that all ammo that has lower velocity is less accurate, can you?
Originally Posted By sanman28:
Correct, but less accurate and less heavy hitting.
Originally Posted By vengarr:
try 44 special ammunition. It's all subsonic.
try 44 special ammunition. It's all subsonic.
Correct, but less accurate and less heavy hitting.
Your post makes no sense.
The .44mag and .44spl both shoot the exact same bullets, it's just that the latter does it at lower velocity. So if you shoot a subsonic .44spl, or you download a .44mag to shoot the same velocity as the .44spl in the first place, you get the same exact results. Also, you can't make a blanket statement that all ammo that has lower velocity is less accurate, can you?
Wrong. Handloaded 44mag subsonics are usually 250, 275, or 300gr bullets right around 1000fps. Factory 44specials are usually not over 180gr and 800fps unless they are hot loaded. And no, the 44speical is not the same size as a 44mag. Can it be fired, yes, will be as accurate, no. Two different chambers in my rifle.
I kept trying to formulate a response, but I kept erasing what I typed. You win.
10/10/2011 10:16:39 PM
Nothing to see here folks...
10/10/2011 11:50:39 PM
Originally Posted By sanman28:
Looking for subsonic 44mag
Looking for subsonic 44mag
Handload
If not shoot 44 spcl
Cause if you don't handload and shoot 44 you just fail
10/11/2011 1:38:00 AM
Originally Posted By sanman28:
Looking for subsonic 44mag
Looking for subsonic 44mag
GOLD DOT 44spl
little over 800FPS and 200gr
10/11/2011 7:26:03 PM
Originally Posted By ag04blast:
I am confused, if you already know everything relating to 44mag subsonics then why are you asking questions on where to find them? Go to google, type in "44mag subsonics", check out a few links, and there ya go......
Originally Posted By sanman28:
Wrong. Handloaded 44mag subsonics are usually 250, 275, or 300gr bullets right around 1000fps. Factory 44specials are usually not over 180gr and 800fps unless they are hot loaded. And no, the 44speical is not the same size as a 44mag. Can it be fired, yes, will be as accurate, no. Two different chambers in my rifle.
Originally Posted By Zhukov:
Your post makes no sense.
The .44mag and .44spl both shoot the exact same bullets, it's just that the latter does it at lower velocity. So if you shoot a subsonic .44spl, or you download a .44mag to shoot the same velocity as the .44spl in the first place, you get the same exact results. Also, you can't make a blanket statement that all ammo that has lower velocity is less accurate, can you?
Originally Posted By sanman28:
Correct, but less accurate and less heavy hitting.
Originally Posted By vengarr:
try 44 special ammunition. It's all subsonic.
try 44 special ammunition. It's all subsonic.
Correct, but less accurate and less heavy hitting.
Your post makes no sense.
The .44mag and .44spl both shoot the exact same bullets, it's just that the latter does it at lower velocity. So if you shoot a subsonic .44spl, or you download a .44mag to shoot the same velocity as the .44spl in the first place, you get the same exact results. Also, you can't make a blanket statement that all ammo that has lower velocity is less accurate, can you?
Wrong. Handloaded 44mag subsonics are usually 250, 275, or 300gr bullets right around 1000fps. Factory 44specials are usually not over 180gr and 800fps unless they are hot loaded. And no, the 44speical is not the same size as a 44mag. Can it be fired, yes, will be as accurate, no. Two different chambers in my rifle.
I am confused, if you already know everything relating to 44mag subsonics then why are you asking questions on where to find them? Go to google, type in "44mag subsonics", check out a few links, and there ya go......
You do it. All you get it EBR ammo, and there is none to find. Sold out as far as Ive checked.
10/11/2011 7:43:48 PM
Originally Posted By nframe:
Ummm 44 mag and 44 special are the same size except the mag is longer, what the hell do you mena your rifle has "2" chambers? Sounds like someone doen't know their arse from a hole in the ground. 44 special is the more accurate of the 2 rounds as well, it was quite popular as a target round in the past.
Originally Posted By sanman28:
Wrong. Handloaded 44mag subsonics are usually 250, 275, or 300gr bullets right around 1000fps. Factory 44specials are usually not over 180gr and 800fps unless they are hot loaded. And no, the 44speical is not the same size as a 44mag. Can it be fired, yes, will be as accurate, no. Two different chambers in my rifle.
Originally Posted By Zhukov:
Your post makes no sense.
The .44mag and .44spl both shoot the exact same bullets, it's just that the latter does it at lower velocity. So if you shoot a subsonic .44spl, or you download a .44mag to shoot the same velocity as the .44spl in the first place, you get the same exact results. Also, you can't make a blanket statement that all ammo that has lower velocity is less accurate, can you?
Originally Posted By sanman28:
Correct, but less accurate and less heavy hitting.
Originally Posted By vengarr:
try 44 special ammunition. It's all subsonic.
try 44 special ammunition. It's all subsonic.
Correct, but less accurate and less heavy hitting.
Your post makes no sense.
The .44mag and .44spl both shoot the exact same bullets, it's just that the latter does it at lower velocity. So if you shoot a subsonic .44spl, or you download a .44mag to shoot the same velocity as the .44spl in the first place, you get the same exact results. Also, you can't make a blanket statement that all ammo that has lower velocity is less accurate, can you?
Wrong. Handloaded 44mag subsonics are usually 250, 275, or 300gr bullets right around 1000fps. Factory 44specials are usually not over 180gr and 800fps unless they are hot loaded. And no, the 44speical is not the same size as a 44mag. Can it be fired, yes, will be as accurate, no. Two different chambers in my rifle.
Ummm 44 mag and 44 special are the same size except the mag is longer, what the hell do you mena your rifle has "2" chambers? Sounds like someone doen't know their arse from a hole in the ground. 44 special is the more accurate of the 2 rounds as well, it was quite popular as a target round in the past.
My rifle is an integral suppressed 77/44. Can i shoot 44special, yes. Is it optimal for my rifle. NO. The chamber and barrel are not built around a factory 44special which HAS A SHORTER CASE. Extended use might compromise the ability to chamber and fire a 44mag. The gun likes what I asked for. Shoot what you want to out of yours.
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10/11/2011 7:45:16 PM
Originally Posted By Krochus:
Handload
If not shoot 44 spcl
Cause if you don't handload and shoot 44 you just fail
Originally Posted By sanman28:
Looking for subsonic 44mag
Looking for subsonic 44mag
Handload
If not shoot 44 spcl
Cause if you don't handload and shoot 44 you just fail
Im aware of that. I dont have space for a loading operation at this time. And since you cant read the thread you can f*ck off like the other guys.
10/11/2011 7:50:28 PM
I think I will watch this thread now...
10/11/2011 9:54:08 PM
Originally Posted By sanman28:
Im aware of that. I dont have space for a loading operation at this time. And since you cant read the thread you can f*ck off like the other guys.
Originally Posted By Krochus:
Handload
If not shoot 44 spcl
Cause if you don't handload and shoot 44 you just fail
Originally Posted By sanman28:
Looking for subsonic 44mag
Looking for subsonic 44mag
Handload
If not shoot 44 spcl
Cause if you don't handload and shoot 44 you just fail
Im aware of that. I dont have space for a loading operation at this time. And since you cant read the thread you can f*ck off like the other guys.
Butthurt aside. Those are your options.
If you don't handload you don't get the cool heavy subsonic 44mag loads.
Oh and too many specials = no magnums is an old wives tale. Educate yourself for you tell those of us in the know we're FOS
Krochus, avid handloader and 77/44 shooter
10/11/2011 9:59:38 PM
Maybe you could find someone nearby who could handload some for you then.
10/11/2011 10:24:34 PM
Originally Posted By Deep-Blue:
Maybe you could find someone nearby who could handload some for you then.
Maybe you could find someone nearby who could handload some for you then.
Good suggestion.
However much over 300 grs and you'll probably want to start using special cases anyway due to COL conflicts. The 77/44 magazine length is very limited.
10/11/2011 11:12:24 PM
Originally Posted By sanman28:
My rifle is an integral suppressed 77/44. Can i shoot 44special, yes. Is it optimal for my rifle. NO. The chamber and barrel are not built around a factory 44special which HAS A SHORTER CASE. Extended use might compromise the ability to chamber and fire a 44mag. The gun likes what I asked for. Shoot what you want to out of yours.
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Originally Posted By nframe:
Ummm 44 mag and 44 special are the same size except the mag is longer, what the hell do you mena your rifle has "2" chambers? Sounds like someone doen't know their arse from a hole in the ground. 44 special is the more accurate of the 2 rounds as well, it was quite popular as a target round in the past.
Originally Posted By sanman28:
Wrong. Handloaded 44mag subsonics are usually 250, 275, or 300gr bullets right around 1000fps. Factory 44specials are usually not over 180gr and 800fps unless they are hot loaded. And no, the 44speical is not the same size as a 44mag. Can it be fired, yes, will be as accurate, no. Two different chambers in my rifle.
Originally Posted By Zhukov:
Your post makes no sense.
The .44mag and .44spl both shoot the exact same bullets, it's just that the latter does it at lower velocity. So if you shoot a subsonic .44spl, or you download a .44mag to shoot the same velocity as the .44spl in the first place, you get the same exact results. Also, you can't make a blanket statement that all ammo that has lower velocity is less accurate, can you?
Originally Posted By sanman28:
Correct, but less accurate and less heavy hitting.
Originally Posted By vengarr:
try 44 special ammunition. It's all subsonic.
try 44 special ammunition. It's all subsonic.
Correct, but less accurate and less heavy hitting.
Your post makes no sense.
The .44mag and .44spl both shoot the exact same bullets, it's just that the latter does it at lower velocity. So if you shoot a subsonic .44spl, or you download a .44mag to shoot the same velocity as the .44spl in the first place, you get the same exact results. Also, you can't make a blanket statement that all ammo that has lower velocity is less accurate, can you?
Wrong. Handloaded 44mag subsonics are usually 250, 275, or 300gr bullets right around 1000fps. Factory 44specials are usually not over 180gr and 800fps unless they are hot loaded. And no, the 44speical is not the same size as a 44mag. Can it be fired, yes, will be as accurate, no. Two different chambers in my rifle.
Ummm 44 mag and 44 special are the same size except the mag is longer, what the hell do you mena your rifle has "2" chambers? Sounds like someone doen't know their arse from a hole in the ground. 44 special is the more accurate of the 2 rounds as well, it was quite popular as a target round in the past.
My rifle is an integral suppressed 77/44. Can i shoot 44special, yes. Is it optimal for my rifle. NO. The chamber and barrel are not built around a factory 44special which HAS A SHORTER CASE. Extended use might compromise the ability to chamber and fire a 44mag. The gun likes what I asked for. Shoot what you want to out of yours.
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IF you use new brass and load the Spec. case with a heavy grain hard cast bullet to the overall length of a 44mag case all will be fine.
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10/11/2011 11:13:14 PM
Originally Posted By Zhukov:
I think you meant E=mv2, but even more relevant is p = mv.
Originally Posted By Rudison:
E=mc2 will not be denied.
E=mc2 will not be denied.
I think you meant E=mv2, but even more relevant is p = mv.
that's 1/2 m v2 but I generally agree momentum is more important.
Best bet would be to handload. 300+ grain flat nose loaded to right at 1000 fps would stay subsonic and still give plenty of both energy and momentum.
10/12/2011 10:13:12 AM
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10/12/2011 11:26:05 AM
Originally Posted By NVGdude:
that's 1/2 m v2 but I generally agree momentum is more important.
Originally Posted By Zhukov:
I think you meant E=mv2, but even more relevant is p = mv.
Originally Posted By Rudison:
E=mc2 will not be denied.
E=mc2 will not be denied.
I think you meant E=mv2, but even more relevant is p = mv.
that's 1/2 m v2 but I generally agree momentum is more important.
Man - don't I look like an idiot forgetting that. So much for my smug correction.
10/12/2011 12:57:14 PM
Originally Posted By Deep-Blue:
Maybe you could find someone nearby who could handload some for you then.
Maybe you could find someone nearby who could handload some for you then.
And very illegal of you pay them ANYTHING.
11/14/2011 11:06:55 AM
There's is load data for 300+gr 44spl loads out there.
You should really look into handloading. I can't imagine you spent the time and money to buy/build an integrally suppressed .44 and you don't already handload. Owning silencers and handloading go hand in hand together.
You should really look into handloading. I can't imagine you spent the time and money to buy/build an integrally suppressed .44 and you don't already handload. Owning silencers and handloading go hand in hand together.
