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M&P 45 Not functioning/Update, in last post.
12/26/2011 1:01:35 AM
Just got my M&P this past week, and did the trigger job, found here I followed the directions, reassembled the m&p, and dry fired 3 times, and after the 3rd one the trigger has a faint click,and no striker movement
It did feel lighter than before though, but now there is an obvious problem I took everything appart again, and double, and tripple checked, and I can't find anything broken or missing
When I check the movement of the sear with the slide off, it seems fine.
I also checked the striker, and safety plunger, and spring in the slide, and they are fine too. I can't figure out why it dry fired good a couple of times, and than nothing? I thought maybe I took too much material off of the sear, but when comparing it to the one in the PDF link, I took less. What in god's name did I do to this thing???
I'll try and get some pic's up later on, but I am just about positive that is is assembled correct, because it fired fine the first two pulls.
I was going to order the Apex FSS this week anyway,That's why I went ahead and tried the "trigger job" link from here, but I'm not so sure I should until I can figure out what is going on?
It did feel lighter than before though, but now there is an obvious problem I took everything appart again, and double, and tripple checked, and I can't find anything broken or missing When I check the movement of the sear with the slide off, it seems fine.
I also checked the striker, and safety plunger, and spring in the slide, and they are fine too. I can't figure out why it dry fired good a couple of times, and than nothing? I thought maybe I took too much material off of the sear, but when comparing it to the one in the PDF link, I took less. What in god's name did I do to this thing???
I'll try and get some pic's up later on, but I am just about positive that is is assembled correct, because it fired fine the first two pulls.
I was going to order the Apex FSS this week anyway,That's why I went ahead and tried the "trigger job" link from here, but I'm not so sure I should until I can figure out what is going on?
12/26/2011 10:22:32 AM
The sear is like a piece of candy. It has a hard shell and a "gooey" center. Weaken the crust too much and you will break through to the soft center and render a M&P useless.
I'm going to bet that you took just off to much, but left just enough for several engagements with the sear, before it went south.
I think I have a extra stock sear if you want to try it and see it it works before you order a new one from Apex.
I'm going to bet that you took just off to much, but left just enough for several engagements with the sear, before it went south.
I think I have a extra stock sear if you want to try it and see it it works before you order a new one from Apex.
12/26/2011 11:33:52 AM
Originally Posted By Dog1:
The sear is like a piece of candy. It has a hard shell and a "gooey" center. Weaken the crust too much and you will break through to the soft center and render a M&P useless.
I'm going to bet that you took just off to much, but left just enough for several engagements with the sear, before it went south.
I think I have a extra stock sear if you want to try it and see it it works before you order a new one from Apex.
The sear is like a piece of candy. It has a hard shell and a "gooey" center. Weaken the crust too much and you will break through to the soft center and render a M&P useless.
I'm going to bet that you took just off to much, but left just enough for several engagements with the sear, before it went south.
I think I have a extra stock sear if you want to try it and see it it works before you order a new one from Apex.
Thanks Dog, that's really really cool of you. I talked to a buddy of mine from work, and he has an M&P 45, that he'll let me steal the sear out of on Wed. Gona keep my fingers crossed until then. I hope it's something I did, and not just a coincidental defect, that I will have to send it back to S&W
I took it apart again for the umteenth time, and can't find anything broken. When I put it back together, and pull the trigger while looking up through the mag well, the trigger bar seems to move straight back, and then to one side slightly instead of moving strait back the whole time, like it's slipping off of the sear engagement area, and going off to the side of it? I sould also mention that when I watch the trigger bar travel rearward without the slide on, looking down at it, it travels straight back, and engages the sear without any side movement.
Thanks again Dog for the help, and offer. I greatly appreciate it.
12/26/2011 12:02:26 PM
The trigger bar moves slightly to the side when depressed. That's no worry.
I think that maybe too much of the sear's outer hardening was removed. It's a fine art, a dance if you will, to get the right amount removed, without taking too much off.
That's the reason I always recommened the Apex sear over one of the so called "trigger jobs". The M&P sear is MIM, harded on the outside. Bust through or weaken that outer layer of hardening and your run the risk of trashing a sear.
I think that maybe too much of the sear's outer hardening was removed. It's a fine art, a dance if you will, to get the right amount removed, without taking too much off.
That's the reason I always recommened the Apex sear over one of the so called "trigger jobs". The M&P sear is MIM, harded on the outside. Bust through or weaken that outer layer of hardening and your run the risk of trashing a sear.
12/26/2011 12:13:27 PM
Originally Posted By Dog1:
The trigger bar moves slightly to the side when depressed. That's no worry.
I think that maybe too much of the sear's outer hardening was removed. It's a fine art, a dance if you will, to get the right amount removed, without taking too much off.
That's the reason I always recommened the Apex sear over one of the so called "trigger jobs". The M&P sear is MIM, harded on the outside. Bust through or weaken that outer layer of hardening and your run the risk of trashing a sear.
The trigger bar moves slightly to the side when depressed. That's no worry.
I think that maybe too much of the sear's outer hardening was removed. It's a fine art, a dance if you will, to get the right amount removed, without taking too much off.
That's the reason I always recommened the Apex sear over one of the so called "trigger jobs". The M&P sear is MIM, harded on the outside. Bust through or weaken that outer layer of hardening and your run the risk of trashing a sear.
Thanks again Dog!
I probably did fubar the sear
. It's like the trigger completely skips the striker operation, and just clicks. This is one time where I hope it's me that screwed up, and I don't have to send it back. I just got a G21sf back this past spring that I waited 6 months for
I ended up trading it for the M&P.12/26/2011 1:38:10 PM
It sounds like the sear is not disengaging. Could you have taken taken too much or angled the nub wrong? try opening the trigger bar loop slightly and see if that fixes it.
12/26/2011 3:46:20 PM
Originally Posted By Wash-Ar15:
It sounds like the sear is not disengaging. Could you have taken taken too much or angled the nub wrong? try opening the trigger bar loop slightly and see if that fixes it.
It sounds like the sear is not disengaging. Could you have taken taken too much or angled the nub wrong? try opening the trigger bar loop slightly and see if that fixes it.
That's what it seems like is happening. I'll try that.
I must of taken just too much off of the nub, and angled it wrong, like you said.
Thanks for the tip
12/29/2011 5:21:05 PM
Tried the other sear, and my m&p functioned just fine.
It was the sear. I took too much material off. I ordered an apex hard sear, and got it in today. I installed it and the M&P is working normal again, with a little lighter pull from the apex hard sear. I am defiantly ordering the whole kit and kaboodle from apex.
Thanks Dog, and all who helped out here. Learned a good lesson on what not to do, and good thing is wasn't a real expensive part I'll bet just polishing the sear would of been sufficient, instead of taking the angle down like I did. I compared it to the new apex sear, and I couldn't see that much difference between the sear I did, and theirs, which goes to show that only taking a little too much material off, and you are fucked.
Polishing a sear really is an art form.
It was the sear. I took too much material off. I ordered an apex hard sear, and got it in today. I installed it and the M&P is working normal again, with a little lighter pull from the apex hard sear. I am defiantly ordering the whole kit and kaboodle from apex.
Thanks Dog, and all who helped out here. Learned a good lesson on what not to do, and good thing is wasn't a real expensive part
I'll bet just polishing the sear would of been sufficient, instead of taking the angle down like I did. I compared it to the new apex sear, and I couldn't see that much difference between the sear I did, and theirs, which goes to show that only taking a little too much material off, and you are fucked.
Polishing a sear really is an art form.
12/29/2011 5:32:00 PM
Happy to help...good to hear that you got it up and running.
