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rockriver1234  [Member]
7/15/2010 2:16:28 PM EST
Okay, I have a project for my Marketing Class. The project has to do with Supply Chain Management and Logistics, which is why i have chose this subject. I thought that researching how glock pistols get from the factory to the end customer would be perfect. So, I asked the local gun shop how guns get from Glock GA to me the consumer, but now I need help with how a foreign manufacturer (Glcok Europe) gets a product to an American consumer. So, let me know everything you know about how Glock Austria imports pistols to Glock GA. Please start right after the pistol has been manufactured. So, the pistol is loaded with a large shipment of similar pistols and..... how are the guns shipped here. Air freight, containers? Import fees, laws, policies, procedures, etc. I need to know all of this for logistics. Thank you all so much.
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rychencop  [Team Member]
7/15/2010 3:04:05 PM EST
the parts are manufactured in Austria and shipped to the U.S. for assembly. no complete weapons come from Austria to the U.S.
Merdoc  [Member]
7/15/2010 4:22:18 PM EST
Originally Posted By rychencop:
the parts are manufactured in Austria and shipped to the U.S. for assembly. no complete weapons come from Austria to the U.S.


there is this whole "point system" the ATF uses - complete bull shit IMHO.

thats why you see glock 23/27 ect. with serrated triggers. they are "target" triggers to add more points to the gun. compact and sub compact pistols require more "points" to be imported.

there is a thread that breaks this system down. i would link to it, but i cant find it. someone may come along and pick up my slack.

Merdoc
H53EXPERT  [Member]
7/15/2010 10:17:11 PM EST
Originally Posted By rychencop:
the parts are manufactured in Austria and shipped to the U.S. for assembly. no complete weapons come from Austria to the U.S.


I'm not sure where you got this information from, but I believe it is incorrect.

In order to meet the BATF point system, as was already mentioned, it would seem that the firearm would have to be assembled and meet all those features in order to be imported. It is my understanding that the guns are shipped here in large batches with "target sights" installed. Once they arrive here, the respective market sights are installed, the gun is fired for the two test cases, and it is packaged in the clam shell case with all the goodies that you get them with at your dealer.


H53EXPERT  [Member]
7/15/2010 10:19:03 PM EST
Originally Posted By rockriver1234:
Okay, I have a project for my Marketing Class. The project has to do with Supply Chain Management and Logistics, which is why i have chose this subject. I thought that researching how glock pistols get from the factory to the end customer would be perfect. So, I asked the local gun shop how guns get from Glock GA to me the consumer, but now I need help with how a foreign manufacturer (Glcok Europe) gets a product to an American consumer. So, let me know everything you know about how Glock Austria imports pistols to Glock GA. Please start right after the pistol has been manufactured. So, the pistol is loaded with a large shipment of similar pistols and..... how are the guns shipped here. Air freight, containers? Import fees, laws, policies, procedures, etc. I need to know all of this for logistics. Thank you all so much.


You would probably have to get with Glock about that information. Anything we state is just hearsay, and couldn't be used as a credible reference for a school project.
Soljah46  [Member]
7/16/2010 2:01:49 AM EST
Is this it?
rychencop  [Team Member]
7/16/2010 6:23:26 AM EST
Originally Posted By H53EXPERT:
Originally Posted By rychencop:
the parts are manufactured in Austria and shipped to the U.S. for assembly. no complete weapons come from Austria to the U.S.


I'm not sure where you got this information from, but I believe it is incorrect.

In order to meet the BATF point system, as was already mentioned, it would seem that the firearm would have to be assembled and meet all those features in order to be imported. It is my understanding that the guns are shipped here in large batches with "target sights" installed. Once they arrive here, the respective market sights are installed, the gun is fired for the two test cases, and it is packaged in the clam shell case with all the goodies that you get them with at your dealer.




i heard it from a Glock rep. but maybe he was full of it. i highly doubt the type of sight installed is the limiting factor to their import status.
GLOCKREAPER  [Member]
7/16/2010 6:46:44 AM EST
The BATFE point system:

To qualify for import, a pistol must score a total of 75 points.
CHARACTERISTICS POINTS

Length: for each 1/4" over 6" 1

Forged steel frame 15

Forged HTS alloy frame 20

Unloaded weight with magazine (per oz) 1

.22 short and .25 auto 0

.22 LR and 7.65mm to .380 auto 3

9mm parabellum and over 10

Locked breech mechanism 5

Loaded chamber indicator 5

Grip Safety 3

Magazine safety 5
Firing pin block or lock 10

External hammer 2

Double action 10

Drift adjustable target sight 10

Target grips 5

Target trigger 2




Revolver Qualifying score is 45 points.

Prerequisites

1. Must pass safety test.
2. Must have overall frame (with conventional grips) length (not diagonal)
of 4 1/2" minimum.
3. Must have a barrel length of at least 3"

Individual Characteristics

Barrel Length (Muzzle to Cylinder Face)
Less than 4" 0
For each 1/4" over 4" 1/2


Frame Construction
Investment Cast or Forged Steel 15
Investment Cast or Forged HTS Alloy 20

Weapon Weight (Unloaded)
Per ounce 1

Caliber
.22 short to .25 acp 0
.22 LR and .30 to .38 S&W 3
.38 Special 4
.357 mag and over 5

Miscellaneous Equipment
Adjustable Target Sights 5
(drift or click)

Target Grips 5
Target Hammer and Target Trigger 5

Safety Test

A Double Action Revolver must have a safety feature which automatically
(or in a Single Action Revolver by manual operation) causes the hammer to
retract to a point where the firing pin does not rest upon the primer of
the cartridge. The safety device must withstand the impact of a weight
equal to the weight of the revolver dropping from a distance of 36" in a
line parallel to the barrel upon the rear of the hammer spur, a total of
5 times.

Merdoc  [Member]
7/16/2010 9:46:47 AM EST
Originally Posted By Soljah46:
Is this it?


thats the one.

when the FEDS get involved things get unnecessarily stupid.

Checkmate762  [Member]
7/16/2010 11:07:27 AM EST
this "point system" is why we don't get .380 Glocks over here.

Merdoc  [Member]
7/16/2010 2:48:37 PM EST
Originally Posted By rychencop:
Originally Posted By H53EXPERT:
Originally Posted By rychencop:
the parts are manufactured in Austria and shipped to the U.S. for assembly. no complete weapons come from Austria to the U.S.


I'm not sure where you got this information from, but I believe it is incorrect.

In order to meet the BATF point system, as was already mentioned, it would seem that the firearm would have to be assembled and meet all those features in order to be imported. It is my understanding that the guns are shipped here in large batches with "target sights" installed. Once they arrive here, the respective market sights are installed, the gun is fired for the two test cases, and it is packaged in the clam shell case with all the goodies that you get them with at your dealer.




i heard it from a Glock rep. but maybe he was full of it. i highly doubt the type of sight installed is the limiting factor to their import status.


yes the rear sight is a concern with importation; unnecessarily stupid huh.
DogtownTom  [Team Member]
7/16/2010 4:14:29 PM EST
The Gun Control Act of 1968 limited importation of small, inexpensive handguns popularly known as "Saturday Night Specials". To differentiate between what was a cheap, small handgun and an expensive, small handgun, ATF devised a point system. Basically a handgun with target grips, target trigger, adjustable sights would accrue more points than a handgun without those features. Additional points were given as barrel length increased and caliber increased.

Here's the ATF Form 4590 that outlines the factoring criteria for imported handguns: http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5330-5.pdf
rychencop  [Team Member]
7/16/2010 4:24:45 PM EST
Originally Posted By Merdoc:
Originally Posted By rychencop:
Originally Posted By H53EXPERT:
Originally Posted By rychencop:
the parts are manufactured in Austria and shipped to the U.S. for assembly. no complete weapons come from Austria to the U.S.


I'm not sure where you got this information from, but I believe it is incorrect.

In order to meet the BATF point system, as was already mentioned, it would seem that the firearm would have to be assembled and meet all those features in order to be imported. It is my understanding that the guns are shipped here in large batches with "target sights" installed. Once they arrive here, the respective market sights are installed, the gun is fired for the two test cases, and it is packaged in the clam shell case with all the goodies that you get them with at your dealer.




i heard it from a Glock rep. but maybe he was full of it. i highly doubt the type of sight installed is the limiting factor to their import status.


yes the rear sight is a concern with importation; unnecessarily stupid huh.


indeed...that's our ATF
Larry1096  [Member]
7/16/2010 4:27:43 PM EST
About as logical as 922(r), it seems.

Anytime the feds try to define a gun by some nebulous criteria (saturday-nightness, assaultieness) they end up with nonsensical crap like this. Target sights and triggers, bayonet lugs; just a dodge to try and ban stuff.

Larry
Tecumseh  [Member]
7/16/2010 9:09:51 PM EST
Originally Posted By Merdoc:
Originally Posted By Soljah46:
Is this it?


thats the one.

when the FEDS get involved things get unnecessarily stupid.



Exactly. An example being the whole oil spill. BP should not be held responsible unless they choose to clean it up. Oil is natural and not a hazard.
DogtownTom  [Team Member]
7/17/2010 3:14:43 AM EST
Originally Posted By Tecumseh:
Exactly. An example being the whole oil spill. BP should not be held responsible unless they choose to clean it up. Oil is natural and not a hazard.


WTF?
SonnyStag  [Member]
7/17/2010 3:18:38 AM EST
Originally Posted By Tecumseh: BP should not be held responsible unless they choose to clean it up. Oil is natural and not a hazard.

genius

ViniVidivici  [Team Member]
7/17/2010 3:31:51 PM EST
Originally Posted By DogtownTom:
Originally Posted By Tecumseh:
Exactly. An example being the whole oil spill. BP should not be held responsible unless they choose to clean it up. Oil is natural and not a hazard.


WTF?


Sounds like somethin' Billy Madison might say. Or Homer Simpson.
bdub  [Member]
7/17/2010 5:39:59 PM EST
Originally Posted By Tecumseh:
Originally Posted By Merdoc:
Originally Posted By Soljah46:
Is this it?


thats the one.

when the FEDS get involved things get unnecessarily stupid.



Exactly. An example being the whole oil spill. BP should not be held responsible unless they choose to clean it up. Oil is natural and not a hazard.


I just passed this along to some friends of mine who make a living off of the gulf fisheries. They are so excited to hear that the oil has zero effect on their source of income. Phew, they were starting to believe those science types.

To the op, I like to think they come in this bad boy, but I know that isnt how it happens.
AR15fan  [Team Member]
7/17/2010 5:43:18 PM EST
Early Glock 26's with shipped with adjustable "target" sights to meet the import requirments.
H53EXPERT  [Member]
7/17/2010 6:15:47 PM EST
Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Early Glock 26's with shipped with adjustable "target" sights to meet the import requirments.


All Glocks still do. In its current form, the G17 scores 80 points on the BATF system. If you took away the 10 point target sights, it would only have 70 points and it needs 75 to be imported.
Gravity3694  [Member]
7/18/2010 12:17:57 AM EST
WTF are target grips? Why does .gov have to make stuff like this, and 922R so complected?
DogtownTom  [Team Member]
7/18/2010 6:39:06 AM EST
Originally Posted By Gravity3694:
WTF are target grips? Why does .gov have to make stuff like this, and 922R so complected?


ATF shouldn't get all the blame. While Federal agencies do enforce regulations, it is our esteemed lawmakers in DC that should get the actual blame, as they we're the ones to pass the laws to begin with. ATF merely enforces the laws that Congress passes and the President signs. The problem is also that ATF's "interpretations" of Federal law are inconsistent.

Don't like the FFL system?
Want a Glock 28?
Want a Baby Browning made in the 1970's
Want to be able to buy a handgun on your next trip out of state?
Twenty years old and home on leave, but can't buy a Beretta 92 for your dad?
Blame the Gun Control Act of 1968.

Want a machine gun?
How about a detachable stock for your Glock?
How about a SBR or SBS?
You can have those.....but you'll pay a Federal tax for that fun stuff.
Blame that tax not on ATF, but on the National Firearms Act of 1934.

We need to fix congress before we fix ATF.
GeorgiaBII  [Team Member]
7/18/2010 6:45:58 AM EST

Originally Posted By H53EXPERT:
Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Early Glock 26's with shipped with adjustable "target" sights to meet the import requirments.


All Glocks still do. In its current form, the G17 scores 80 points on the BATF system. If you took away the 10 point target sights, it would only have 70 points and it needs 75 to be imported.

I wonder if after they take the target sights off if they don't ship them back to be put on the next shipment?
Merdoc  [Member]
7/18/2010 9:25:10 AM EST
Originally Posted By DogtownTom:
Originally Posted By Gravity3694:
WTF are target grips? Why does .gov have to make stuff like this, and 922R so complected?


ATF shouldn't get all the blame. While Federal agencies do enforce regulations, it is our esteemed lawmakers in DC that should get the actual blame, as they we're the ones to pass the laws to begin with. ATF merely enforces the laws that Congress passes and the President signs. The problem is also that ATF's "interpretations" of Federal law are inconsistent.

Don't like the FFL system?
Want a Glock 28?
Want a Baby Browning made in the 1970's
Want to be able to buy a handgun on your next trip out of state?
Twenty years old and home on leave, but can't buy a Beretta 92 for your dad?
Blame the Gun Control Act of 1968.

Want a machine gun?
How about a detachable stock for your Glock?
How about a SBR or SBS?
You can have those.....but you'll pay a Federal tax for that fun stuff.
Blame that tax not on ATF, but on the National Firearms Act of 1934.

We need to fix congress before we fix ATF.


your right.

one thing to keep in mind about the tax stamp.

its my understanding the FEDS can simply stop issuing stamps.


DogtownTom  [Team Member]
7/18/2010 12:12:18 PM EST
Originally Posted By Merdoc:
one thing to keep in mind about the tax stamp.

its my understanding the FEDS can simply stop issuing stamps.


ATF cannot decide on it's own to stop issuing tax stamps. Congress & the President could, but when was the last time any Democrat decided to stop collecting a tax on anything?
TrackSol  [Team Member]
7/18/2010 12:45:20 PM EST
Originally Posted By Tecumseh:
Originally Posted By Merdoc:
Originally Posted By Soljah46:
Is this it?


thats the one.

when the FEDS get involved things get unnecessarily stupid.



Exactly. An example being the whole oil spill. BP should not be held responsible unless they choose to clean it up. Oil is natural and not a hazard.


True oil is natural, but it wouldn't have spilled that way if they didn't drill into the earth to set it free hence they're at fault.
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