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MillerSHO  [Member]
1/14/2010 6:38:55 AM EST
Will Gen 4 mags fit in Gen 2 and Gen 3 glocks?

Will Gen 2 or 3 mags fit in a gen 4 glock?

Thanks
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nicojh  [Member]
1/14/2010 6:51:38 AM EST
I believe the Gen 4 mags have a new notch on the front for the ambi mag release so Gen 1,2,and 3 mags will not work in Gen 4 but Gen 4 mags should work in a 1,2,and 3 gen guns.... I think...
COSteve  [Team Member]
1/14/2010 7:10:21 AM EST
That is correct.
Hero  [Team Member]
1/14/2010 7:18:05 AM EST
It is my understanding that the new Gen4 mags have a mag catch cut into both sides of the magazine rather than only of the left side (when viewed from the back). This is to accomodate the revesible magazines release. The exposed rectangular cut in the front of some of the more recent magazines is not used in the Gen4. All older style magazines will work in the Gen4 guns provided that the magazine release is kept on the traditional (right hander) side. Those older magazines will not work in the Gen4 guns if the magazine release is reversed to the left hander's side as they do not have the opposite side cut.

The new Gen4 mags should work perfectly in the older generation guns.
fuzzy03cls  [Member]
1/14/2010 9:50:29 AM EST
nevermind
neoinarien  [Team Member]
1/14/2010 9:56:17 AM EST
fair enough

Hero  [Team Member]
1/14/2010 10:25:23 AM EST
Originally Posted By fuzzy03cls:
nevermind


Originally Posted By neoinarien:
fair enough



MillerSHO  [Member]
1/14/2010 11:56:02 AM EST
Originally Posted By Hero:
It is my understanding that the new Gen4 mags have a mag catch cut into both sides of the magazine rather than only of the left side (when viewed from the back). This is to accomodate the revesible magazines release. The exposed rectangular cut in the front of some of the more recent magazines is not used in the Gen4. All older style magazines will work in the Gen4 guns provided that the magazine release is kept on the traditional (right hander) side. Those older magazines will not work in the Gen4 guns if the magazine release is reversed to the left hander's side as they do not have the opposite side cut.

The new Gen4 mags should work perfectly in the older generation guns.


Excellent.

Thank you.
GLOCKREAPER  [Member]
1/14/2010 3:18:44 PM EST
Yes.
Kristofer_G  [Team Member]
1/14/2010 4:35:14 PM EST
Originally Posted By Hero:
It is my understanding that the new Gen4 mags have a mag catch cut into both sides of the magazine rather than only of the left side (when viewed from the back). This is to accomodate the revesible magazines release. The exposed rectangular cut in the front of some of the more recent magazines is not used in the Gen4. All older style magazines will work in the Gen4 guns provided that the magazine release is kept on the traditional (right hander) side. Those older magazines will not work in the Gen4 guns if the magazine release is reversed to the left hander's side as they do not have the opposite side cut.

The new Gen4 mags should work perfectly in the older generation guns.


Additionally, if you use the magazine release of the Gen.4 frame in the conventional right hand position all your old magazines should work. I guess we should have been calling the magazines with the front cut "SF type".

Glock seems to be a bit schizophrenic lately. They have gone from zero options to a whole lot of options. Gen.3's, SFs with both pic or glock rails and standard or ambi magazine releases, then RTF2s, and now Gen.4s... Yet still no single stack micro 9mm, 5.7mm, or Carbine models.
ViniVidivici  [Team Member]
1/14/2010 4:52:25 PM EST
Originally Posted By Kristofer_G:
Originally Posted By Hero:
It is my understanding that the new Gen4 mags have a mag catch cut into both sides of the magazine rather than only of the left side (when viewed from the back). This is to accomodate the revesible magazines release. The exposed rectangular cut in the front of some of the more recent magazines is not used in the Gen4. All older style magazines will work in the Gen4 guns provided that the magazine release is kept on the traditional (right hander) side. Those older magazines will not work in the Gen4 guns if the magazine release is reversed to the left hander's side as they do not have the opposite side cut.

The new Gen4 mags should work perfectly in the older generation guns.


Additionally, if you use the magazine release of the Gen.4 frame in the conventional right hand position all your old magazines should work. I guess we should have been calling the magazines with the front cut "SF type".

Glock seems to be a bit schizophrenic lately. They have gone from zero options to a whole lot of options. Gen.3's, SFs with both pic or glock rails and standard or ambi magazine releases, then RTF2s, and now Gen.4s... Yet still no single stack micro 9mm, 5.7mm, or Carbine models.


That would require VASTLY more retooling than those other options you mention.

They're still makin' a huge profit, still with a huge share of the overall market. From a strictly business perspective, there's no reason to change at this time.


(No, I don't work for Glock corporate HQ)
GLOCKREAPER  [Member]
1/14/2010 5:28:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By ViniVidivici:

That would require VASTLY more retooling than those other options you mention.


Yep. Also a PF-9 type Glock would not be importable.
Marksman14  [Team Member]
1/14/2010 6:22:57 PM EST
If you use the mag release on the left side of the gun (right handed shooter position) all glock mags should fit from what I hear.
ViniVidivici  [Team Member]
1/14/2010 9:25:41 PM EST
Originally Posted By GLOCKREAPER:

Originally Posted By ViniVidivici:

That would require VASTLY more retooling than those other options you mention.


Yep. Also a PF-9 type Glock would not be importable.


Good call. Potential issues with the BATFE's idiotic "points" system.
GLOCKREAPER  [Member]
1/14/2010 9:55:27 PM EST
The BATFE point system:

To qualify for import, a pistol must score a total of 75 points.
CHARACTERISTICS POINTS

Length: for each 1/4" over 6" 1

Forged steel frame 15

Forged HTS alloy frame 20

Unloaded weight with magazine (per oz) 1

.22 short and .25 auto 0

.22 LR and 7.65mm to .380 auto 3

9mm parabellum and over 10

Locked breech mechanism 5

Loaded chamber indicator 5

Grip Safety 3

Magazine safety 5
Firing pin block or lock 10

External hammer 2

Double action 10

Drift adjustable target sight 10

Target grips 5

Target trigger 2




Revolver Qualifying score is 45 points.

Prerequisites

1. Must pass safety test.
2. Must have overall frame (with conventional grips) length (not diagonal)
of 4 1/2" minimum.
3. Must have a barrel length of at least 3"

Individual Characteristics

Barrel Length (Muzzle to Cylinder Face)
Less than 4" 0
For each 1/4" over 4" 1/2


Frame Construction
Investment Cast or Forged Steel 15
Investment Cast or Forged HTS Alloy 20

Weapon Weight (Unloaded)
Per ounce 1

Caliber
.22 short to .25 acp 0
.22 LR and .30 to .38 S&W 3
.38 Special 4
.357 mag and over 5

Miscellaneous Equipment
Adjustable Target Sights 5
(drift or click)

Target Grips 5
Target Hammer and Target Trigger 5

Safety Test

A Double Action Revolver must have a safety feature which automatically
(or in a Single Action Revolver by manual operation) causes the hammer to
retract to a point where the firing pin does not rest upon the primer of
the cartridge. The safety device must withstand the impact of a weight
equal to the weight of the revolver dropping from a distance of 36" in a
line parallel to the barrel upon the rear of the hammer spur, a total of
5 times.

Kristofer_G  [Team Member]
1/15/2010 5:59:21 AM EST
Originally Posted By ViniVidivici:
Originally Posted By Kristofer_G:
Originally Posted By Hero:
It is my understanding that the new Gen4 mags have a mag catch cut into both sides of the magazine rather than only of the left side (when viewed from the back). This is to accomodate the revesible magazines release. The exposed rectangular cut in the front of some of the more recent magazines is not used in the Gen4. All older style magazines will work in the Gen4 guns provided that the magazine release is kept on the traditional (right hander) side. Those older magazines will not work in the Gen4 guns if the magazine release is reversed to the left hander's side as they do not have the opposite side cut.

The new Gen4 mags should work perfectly in the older generation guns.


Additionally, if you use the magazine release of the Gen.4 frame in the conventional right hand position all your old magazines should work. I guess we should have been calling the magazines with the front cut "SF type".

Glock seems to be a bit schizophrenic lately. They have gone from zero options to a whole lot of options. Gen.3's, SFs with both pic or glock rails and standard or ambi magazine releases, then RTF2s, and now Gen.4s... Yet still no single stack micro 9mm, 5.7mm, or Carbine models.


That would require VASTLY more retooling than those other options you mention.

They're still makin' a huge profit, still with a huge share of the overall market. From a strictly business perspective, there's no reason to change at this time.

(No, I don't work for Glock corporate HQ)


While I was being a bit sarcastic in my reply, I must disagree. When a company is making "a huge profit" is exactly when they should be doing new things. Should they wait until they can not pay the light bill to try and retake market share? I know Glock has some production capability in the US now. Even if it is not enough currently to add a hopefully PM9 like(not PF-9, ) product, they can expand. Especially in the current state of the economy, I would think GA would be excited to have new jobs. There is zero risk involved for Glock, assuming they develop/produce a working pistol. You know it will sell. I would put one on order the day I heard about it.

Now the 5.7mm is where some of the sarcasm started. I can understand the reluctance to get into the 5.7 market. Since the only major sources of ammunition are still controlled by FN. Plus the 5.7mm's reception and apparent performance are questionable. However, I have wanted a 5.7mm since they came out, for shooting sakes, and I am just waiting for one to cross the counter at the right price. If Glock currently offered a 5.7mm pistol at the same price point as the 20/21, I would have one now.

"Glock Carbine" is all sarcasm. I have no interest in PCC's and I am very unlikely to get into a new assault rifle variant. Satisfied with AR15s, not looking to change or add on.

While I am on the subject of things Glock should do, accessories; I am pretty sure their is a market there for factory threaded barrels for the 17, 19, 21, etc. How about a Glock factory 22 conversion for 17s, 19s, etc.?
stfram  [Team Member]
1/15/2010 11:13:26 AM EST
Originally Posted By nicojh:
I believe the Gen 4 mags have a new notch on the front for the ambi mag release so Gen 1,2,and 3 mags will not work in Gen 4 but Gen 4 mags should work in a 1,2,and 3 gen guns.... I think...


I can't wait to see how many notches/cutouts/etc will be on a Gen6 Glock mag.

THUNDERKISS  [Member]
1/15/2010 11:20:27 AM EST
Originally Posted By stfram:
Originally Posted By nicojh:
I believe the Gen 4 mags have a new notch on the front for the ambi mag release so Gen 1,2,and 3 mags will not work in Gen 4 but Gen 4 mags should work in a 1,2,and 3 gen guns.... I think...


I can't wait to see how many notches/cutouts/etc will be on a Gen6 Glock mag.



At the rate they are "carving up" their magazines, the Gen 6 magazines will be nothing more than a minimal skeletonized steel frame devoid of any polymer and most likely, "disposable after a single use".
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