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 Glock 21s and +p ammo
1Bigdog  [Team Member]
4/22/2009 8:35:57 PM
What is Glock's official position on using this in a 21?
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twonami  [Team Member]
4/22/2009 8:38:22 PM
no problem
1Bigdog  [Team Member]
4/22/2009 8:50:33 PM
Did they ever put that in writing anywhere?
twonami  [Team Member]
4/22/2009 8:59:08 PM
hmm.. I thought it was in the manual
1Bigdog  [Team Member]
4/22/2009 9:19:33 PM
I could not find anything on it in the manual.

Could not find it on Glock's web site either.
ProCCW  [Member]
4/22/2009 9:27:48 PM
All Glock handguns are safe to shoot +p ammo when it is within saami specs for the caliber and pressure.

9mm+p generates a hell of a lot more pressure than does 45acp+p
Duc1  [Member]
4/22/2009 9:41:12 PM
No problem with the 21, as said earlier, .45's have a lot less pressure than even a standard 9mm. I had a HK P30 (9mm) and the manual specifically says not to use +P ammo. Of course I shot some CorBon DPX through it and it split the barrel. The same ammo functions flawlessly in my G19 and I carry Tap +P in my 21. Glocks official position is their guns are built to stand up to +P loads.
1Bigdog  [Team Member]
4/22/2009 10:00:51 PM
Thanks

I am looking at buying some Elite 45 acp...

Elite Ammunition's new 45ACP Ultra-Premium 230 grain personal defense round is constructed using new Starline Nickel brass, Federal Gold Metal Match primers, a proprietary low-flash powder, and the legendary Hornady 230 grain XTP bullet. Ammunition shipped in Frankford Arsenal blue plastic box’s.
These ultra-premium components allow us to drive this bullet at 1,050 fps*; the absolute fastest 230 grain load on the market

I could not find the answer anywhere and even Elite would not commit (they said it would be OK if the G21 could handle +P).
ProCCW  [Member]
4/22/2009 10:23:46 PM
[div style='font-style: italic;']Elite Ammunition's new 45ACP Ultra-Premium230 grain personal defense round is constructed using new StarlineNickel brass, Federal Gold Metal Match primers, a proprietary low-flashpowder, and the legendary Hornady 230 grain XTP bullet. Ammunitionshipped in Frankford Arsenal blue plastic box’s.[/quote][div]These ultra-premium components allow us to drive this bullet at 1,050 fps*; the absolute fastest 230 grain load on the market

Sounds like Extreme Shock's vp of marketing works there also.



jimM1911a1  [Member]
4/22/2009 10:42:12 PM
Originally Posted By 1Bigdog:
I could not find anything on it in the manual.

Could not find it on Glock's web site either.




GLOCK ADVANTAGE


http://www.glock.com/english/index_safety.htm

TEST FIRING
During development every GLOCK pistol is test fired with overcharged ammunition to establish its safety prior to delivery. In addition GLOCK pistols are precision test fired. A laser target test device was especially developed for this purpose to coordinate the hit pattern with the line of sight. Every GLOCK customer can rely on receiving a weapon that has been tested in the factory and which operates reliably "out of the box" without compromises or expensive additions!
1Bigdog  [Team Member]
4/22/2009 11:22:41 PM

Originally Posted By jimM1911a1:
Originally Posted By 1Bigdog:
I could not find anything on it in the manual.

Could not find it on Glock's web site either.




GLOCK ADVANTAGE


http://www.glock.com/english/index_safety.htm

TEST FIRING
During development every GLOCK pistol is test fired with overcharged ammunition to establish its safety prior to delivery. In addition GLOCK pistols are precision test fired. A laser target test device was especially developed for this purpose to coordinate the hit pattern with the line of sight. Every GLOCK customer can rely on receiving a weapon that has been tested in the factory and which operates reliably "out of the box" without compromises or expensive additions!

I have a lot of pistols ......most say that +p is OK to use.

So far I have never seen anything that Glock has said about +Ps use.

Not that they haven't said it someplace....Maybe I just haven't seen it yet.

Strange.

The fact that they test fire each one with an over charged round doesn't mean much.
SkagSig40  [Team Member]
4/23/2009 4:17:23 AM
Originally Posted By 1Bigdog:

Originally Posted By jimM1911a1:
Originally Posted By 1Bigdog:
I could not find anything on it in the manual.

Could not find it on Glock's web site either.




GLOCK ADVANTAGE


http://www.glock.com/english/index_safety.htm

TEST FIRING
During development every GLOCK pistol is test fired with overcharged ammunition to establish its safety prior to delivery. In addition GLOCK pistols are precision test fired. A laser target test device was especially developed for this purpose to coordinate the hit pattern with the line of sight. Every GLOCK customer can rely on receiving a weapon that has been tested in the factory and which operates reliably "out of the box" without compromises or expensive additions!

I have a lot of pistols ......most say that +p is OK to use.

So far I have never seen anything that Glock has said about +Ps use.

Not that they haven't said it someplace....Maybe I just haven't seen it yet.

Strange.

The fact that they test fire each one with an over charged round doesn't mean much.



Call and ask. I did and was told to shoot all the +P I want with no fear. Glocks number is 1-770-432-1202
1Bigdog  [Team Member]
4/23/2009 8:39:54 AM

Originally Posted By SkagSig40:
Originally Posted By 1Bigdog:

Originally Posted By jimM1911a1:
Originally Posted By 1Bigdog:
I could not find anything on it in the manual.

Could not find it on Glock's web site either.




GLOCK ADVANTAGE


http://www.glock.com/english/index_safety.htm

TEST FIRING
During development every GLOCK pistol is test fired with overcharged ammunition to establish its safety prior to delivery. In addition GLOCK pistols are precision test fired. A laser target test device was especially developed for this purpose to coordinate the hit pattern with the line of sight. Every GLOCK customer can rely on receiving a weapon that has been tested in the factory and which operates reliably "out of the box" without compromises or expensive additions!

I have a lot of pistols ......most say that +p is OK to use.

So far I have never seen anything that Glock has said about +Ps use.

Not that they haven't said it someplace....Maybe I just haven't seen it yet.

Strange.

The fact that they test fire each one with an over charged round doesn't mean much.



Call and ask. I did and was told to shoot all the +P I want with no fear. Glocks number is 1-770-432-1202

Thanks but I don't understand why they won't put that in writing.

With their position about no reloads (fear of overcharging resulting in a kaboom) and Glock 21's reputation for kabooms (even if unjustified) it is scary that Glock would not put it in writing that the +P ammo in their pistols is OK to use.

Every other reputable manufacturer does it why won't they?
SkagSig40  [Team Member]
4/23/2009 6:38:16 PM
Originally Posted By 1Bigdog:

Originally Posted By SkagSig40:
Originally Posted By 1Bigdog:

Originally Posted By jimM1911a1:
Originally Posted By 1Bigdog:
I could not find anything on it in the manual.

Could not find it on Glock's web site either.




GLOCK ADVANTAGE


http://www.glock.com/english/index_safety.htm

TEST FIRING
During development every GLOCK pistol is test fired with overcharged ammunition to establish its safety prior to delivery. In addition GLOCK pistols are precision test fired. A laser target test device was especially developed for this purpose to coordinate the hit pattern with the line of sight. Every GLOCK customer can rely on receiving a weapon that has been tested in the factory and which operates reliably "out of the box" without compromises or expensive additions!

I have a lot of pistols ......most say that +p is OK to use.

So far I have never seen anything that Glock has said about +Ps use.

Not that they haven't said it someplace....Maybe I just haven't seen it yet.

Strange.

The fact that they test fire each one with an over charged round doesn't mean much.



Call and ask. I did and was told to shoot all the +P I want with no fear. Glocks number is 1-770-432-1202

Thanks but I don't understand why they won't put that in writing.

With their position about no reloads (fear of overcharging resulting in a kaboom) and Glock 21's reputation for kabooms (even if unjustified) it is scary that Glock would not put it in writing that the +P ammo in their pistols is OK to use.

Every other reputable manufacturer does it why won't they?


I understand what you are getting at. I never heard the 21 being a model that has a KaBoom problem and I spend tonsoftime reading about Glocks. The only models that you consistantlyhear about kabooms are the 22 and 23. Never heard much on the 27 even though it is a .40.

I would have no problem shooting +p in any 9mm or 45 model Glocks. Maybe call and ask Glock if they have it in wrighting and if not ask them to explain. I'd love to hear the reason. If you are not up to it I may do it my self.
glockphobia  [Member]
4/24/2009 6:20:05 AM
thats all ive shot out of mine since i bought it a year ago.
ucfCIVIL31  [Member]
4/24/2009 7:58:25 AM
On the topic of +p and a G21. Are Winchester Ranger T 45 +p for $24/50 a good price? R45TP is the product number.
Maynard  [Team Member]
4/24/2009 2:49:38 PM

Originally Posted By ucfCIVIL31:
On the topic of +p and a G21. Are Winchester Ranger T 45 +p for $24/50 a good price? R45TP is the product number.


Considering that the best price I've seen on .45ACP was $24/50 for Winchester 230FMJ in the last 6 months, I'd say yes, that's a great price.
SkagSig40  [Team Member]
4/24/2009 2:57:41 PM
Originally Posted By ucfCIVIL31:
On the topic of +p and a G21. Are Winchester Ranger T 45 +p for $24/50 a good price? R45TP is the product number.


Excellent price!
ucfCIVIL31  [Member]
4/24/2009 3:42:55 PM
I know they are slow in updating their stock but it's the ad got in email from OMB Express Police Suppy. If yall want to check it out. I know there is a discussion about it directly under "ammunition" on the handgun forum. Good Luck.
Maynard  [Team Member]
4/24/2009 4:45:10 PM

Originally Posted By ucfCIVIL31:
I know they are slow in updating their stock but it's the ad got in email from OMB Express Police Suppy. If yall want to check it out. I know there is a discussion about it directly under "ammunition" on the handgun forum. Good Luck.


I called the day after the Email and was told they were sold out. The response to the sale was so massive it crashed their retail server.

I called again today because I ordered a case but had no idea whether I got in before they sold out and was told they were upgrading to allow for better handling of sales like this in the future.

Here's hoping they have more and more.
heat762  [Member]
4/24/2009 11:15:57 PM
My Glock 21sf loves Hornady TAP 230gr +P.
Shoot it and quit worrying about it.
Tanren37  [Member]
4/25/2009 1:02:54 AM
Originally Posted By Duc1:
No problem with the 21, as said earlier, .45's have a lot less pressure than even a standard 9mm. I had a HK P30 (9mm) and the manual specifically says not to use +P ammo. Of course I shot some CorBon DPX through it and it split the barrel. The same ammo functions flawlessly in my G19 and I carry Tap +P in my 21. Glocks official position is their guns are built to stand up to +P loads.



Don't mean to stray from the thread, but you say you "split" the barrel of a HK P30 with Cor Bon ammo?

Could you expand on this a little bit?

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