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MINI DRACO - Initial Range Report and First Impressions
7/15/2011 5:07:52 PM
MINI DRACO - Initial Range Report and First Impressions
I purchased a new Mini on Tuesday and went to the range today. Having heard about some of theissues experienced by others (and having had some "experience" with Century products), I bought it at a local gun shop so I could inspect before buying, which I highly recommend. This paid off because at another shop I went to their specimen had noticeably canted sights and a rougher action.
Before going to the range the only modifications I made to the Mini were to (1) add a rear sling loop plate so I could use a single-point sling and (2) install a hard rubber recoil buffer. I realized that adding the buffer might cause a short-stroke situation, especially with the polymer block that's already installed in the rear of the Mini's receiver. However, one of my concerns is the long-term durability of that polymer block, so I decided to buffer it a little. Except for one situation described below, the buffer caused no problem (and even then I don't know that the buffer was the cause).
I used Wolf military classic ammo; 100 rounds with no problem whatsoever; 100% function. My gun dealer recommended that I try some Yugo ammo too, since he believes it produces less muzzle flash (a significant consideration for a 7 1/2" barrel), so I also fired 15 rounds of that. The Yugo did indeed produce less flash; however, about one in five rounds failed to cycle properly (round did not go fully into battery). This is where the reduced recoil travel created by the added rubber buffer could have possibly been the problem, I don't know. This was the first time I used the Yugo stuff and I did notice it felt to be a less powerful round that the Wolf (hence less flash I suppose). In any event, since there was some issues with the Yugo ammo and since it's more corrosive than the Wolf, I'll stick to Wolf or other Russian steel-cased ammo. I consider this to be an ammo issue, not a gun issue.
I cycled the Wolf ammo through five magazines (Chinese 5-rnd, Tapco 20-rnd, Tapco 30-rnd, Romanian 30-rnd and Hungarian 20-rnd). All magazines worked well, no issues. I did notice the two Tapcos (polymer) were tighter fitting, but I liked the absence of significant wobble...with all 5.
The sights were surprisingly accurate; I had to adjust the front sight only a little bit.
One significant quality control issue that I solved when I got home: during firing, the muzzle nut pin and spring popped out! Luckily I was at an indoor range and was able to retrieve the parts. Upon inspection at home, I learned that the forward pin in the front sight block was positioned too low in the sight block for the pin to catch/retain the notch in the nut pin. I made a new pin out of a nail that had a slightly larger diameter, which meant that it sat up higher in the sight block just enough to retain the nut pin and spring. Problem solved, but this is a QC issues that should have been caught.
On balance, I am especially pleased with the new Mini. In my next range visit, I will test several alternative muzzle devices (yes, after deciding that it was a keeper, I dremeled off the tack weld from the muzzle nut). I'm not concerned with muzzle rise or controllability but I do want to tame that horrendous flash. I will provide another range report comparing muzzle devices, concentrating on their effectiveness in reducing flash. Subsequent mods will be to add a rail system and co-witnessed red dot and ultimately a stock and angled foregrip (after the ATF stamp).
Conclusions/recommendations: this one is a keeper and is not only a fun-gun but bas potential to be a serious PDW or general purpose SBR. Overall build, parts and craftsmanship are very good (except for the muzzle nut retainer issue). If possible, personally inspect before you buy. Thoroughly clean, hand-cycle the action a lot and oil liberally before your first range visit. Have fun.
I purchased a new Mini on Tuesday and went to the range today. Having heard about some of theissues experienced by others (and having had some "experience" with Century products), I bought it at a local gun shop so I could inspect before buying, which I highly recommend. This paid off because at another shop I went to their specimen had noticeably canted sights and a rougher action.
Before going to the range the only modifications I made to the Mini were to (1) add a rear sling loop plate so I could use a single-point sling and (2) install a hard rubber recoil buffer. I realized that adding the buffer might cause a short-stroke situation, especially with the polymer block that's already installed in the rear of the Mini's receiver. However, one of my concerns is the long-term durability of that polymer block, so I decided to buffer it a little. Except for one situation described below, the buffer caused no problem (and even then I don't know that the buffer was the cause).
I used Wolf military classic ammo; 100 rounds with no problem whatsoever; 100% function. My gun dealer recommended that I try some Yugo ammo too, since he believes it produces less muzzle flash (a significant consideration for a 7 1/2" barrel), so I also fired 15 rounds of that. The Yugo did indeed produce less flash; however, about one in five rounds failed to cycle properly (round did not go fully into battery). This is where the reduced recoil travel created by the added rubber buffer could have possibly been the problem, I don't know. This was the first time I used the Yugo stuff and I did notice it felt to be a less powerful round that the Wolf (hence less flash I suppose). In any event, since there was some issues with the Yugo ammo and since it's more corrosive than the Wolf, I'll stick to Wolf or other Russian steel-cased ammo. I consider this to be an ammo issue, not a gun issue.
I cycled the Wolf ammo through five magazines (Chinese 5-rnd, Tapco 20-rnd, Tapco 30-rnd, Romanian 30-rnd and Hungarian 20-rnd). All magazines worked well, no issues. I did notice the two Tapcos (polymer) were tighter fitting, but I liked the absence of significant wobble...with all 5.
The sights were surprisingly accurate; I had to adjust the front sight only a little bit.
One significant quality control issue that I solved when I got home: during firing, the muzzle nut pin and spring popped out! Luckily I was at an indoor range and was able to retrieve the parts. Upon inspection at home, I learned that the forward pin in the front sight block was positioned too low in the sight block for the pin to catch/retain the notch in the nut pin. I made a new pin out of a nail that had a slightly larger diameter, which meant that it sat up higher in the sight block just enough to retain the nut pin and spring. Problem solved, but this is a QC issues that should have been caught.
On balance, I am especially pleased with the new Mini. In my next range visit, I will test several alternative muzzle devices (yes, after deciding that it was a keeper, I dremeled off the tack weld from the muzzle nut). I'm not concerned with muzzle rise or controllability but I do want to tame that horrendous flash. I will provide another range report comparing muzzle devices, concentrating on their effectiveness in reducing flash. Subsequent mods will be to add a rail system and co-witnessed red dot and ultimately a stock and angled foregrip (after the ATF stamp).
Conclusions/recommendations: this one is a keeper and is not only a fun-gun but bas potential to be a serious PDW or general purpose SBR. Overall build, parts and craftsmanship are very good (except for the muzzle nut retainer issue). If possible, personally inspect before you buy. Thoroughly clean, hand-cycle the action a lot and oil liberally before your first range visit. Have fun.
7/15/2011 5:46:03 PM
Originally Posted By AKMike333:
MINI DRACO - Initial Range Report and First Impressions
I purchased a new Mini on Tuesday and went to the range today. Having heard about some of theissues experienced by others (and having had some "experience" with Century products), I bought it at a local gun shop so I could inspect before buying, which I highly recommend. This paid off because at another shop I went to their specimen had noticeably canted sights and a rougher action.
Before going to the range the only modifications I made to the Mini were to (1) add a rear sling loop plate so I could use a single-point sling and (2) install a hard rubber recoil buffer. I realized that adding the buffer might cause a short-stroke situation, especially with the polymer block that's already installed in the rear of the Mini's receiver. However, one of my concerns is the long-term durability of that polymer block, so I decided to buffer it a little. Except for one situation described below, the buffer caused no problem (and even then I don't know that the buffer was the cause).
I used Wolf military classic ammo; 100 rounds with no problem whatsoever; 100% function. My gun dealer recommended that I try some Yugo ammo too, since he believes it produces less muzzle flash (a significant consideration for a 7 1/2" barrel), so I also fired 15 rounds of that. The Yugo did indeed produce less flash; however, about one in five rounds failed to cycle properly (round did not go fully into battery). This is where the reduced recoil travel created by the added rubber buffer could have possibly been the problem, I don't know. This was the first time I used the Yugo stuff and I did notice it felt to be a less powerful round that the Wolf (hence less flash I suppose). In any event, since there was some issues with the Yugo ammo and since it's more corrosive than the Wolf, I'll stick to Wolf or other Russian steel-cased ammo. I consider this to be an ammo issue, not a gun issue.
I cycled the Wolf ammo through five magazines (Chinese 5-rnd, Tapco 20-rnd, Tapco 30-rnd, Romanian 30-rnd and Hungarian 20-rnd). All magazines worked well, no issues. I did notice the two Tapcos (polymer) were tighter fitting, but I liked the absence of significant wobble...with all 5.
The sights were surprisingly accurate; I had to adjust the front sight only a little bit.
One significant quality control issue that I solved when I got home: during firing, the muzzle nut pin and spring popped out! Luckily I was at an indoor range and was able to retrieve the parts. Upon inspection at home, I learned that the forward pin in the front sight block was positioned too low in the sight block for the pin to catch/retain the notch in the nut pin. I made a new pin out of a nail that had a slightly larger diameter, which meant that it sat up higher in the sight block just enough to retain the nut pin and spring. Problem solved, but this is a QC issues that should have been caught.
On balance, I am especially pleased with the new Mini. In my next range visit, I will test several alternative muzzle devices (yes, after deciding that it was a keeper, I dremeled off the tack weld from the muzzle nut). I'm not concerned with muzzle rise or controllability but I do want to tame that horrendous flash. I will provide another range report comparing muzzle devices, concentrating on their effectiveness in reducing flash. Subsequent mods will be to add a rail system and co-witnessed red dot and ultimately a stock and angled foregrip (after the ATF stamp).
Conclusions/recommendations: this one is a keeper and is not only a fun-gun but bas potential to be a serious PDW or general purpose SBR. Overall build, parts and craftsmanship are very good (except for the muzzle nut retainer issue). If possible, personally inspect before you buy. Thoroughly clean, hand-cycle the action a lot and oil liberally before your first range visit. Have fun.
MINI DRACO - Initial Range Report and First Impressions
I purchased a new Mini on Tuesday and went to the range today. Having heard about some of theissues experienced by others (and having had some "experience" with Century products), I bought it at a local gun shop so I could inspect before buying, which I highly recommend. This paid off because at another shop I went to their specimen had noticeably canted sights and a rougher action.
Before going to the range the only modifications I made to the Mini were to (1) add a rear sling loop plate so I could use a single-point sling and (2) install a hard rubber recoil buffer. I realized that adding the buffer might cause a short-stroke situation, especially with the polymer block that's already installed in the rear of the Mini's receiver. However, one of my concerns is the long-term durability of that polymer block, so I decided to buffer it a little. Except for one situation described below, the buffer caused no problem (and even then I don't know that the buffer was the cause).
I used Wolf military classic ammo; 100 rounds with no problem whatsoever; 100% function. My gun dealer recommended that I try some Yugo ammo too, since he believes it produces less muzzle flash (a significant consideration for a 7 1/2" barrel), so I also fired 15 rounds of that. The Yugo did indeed produce less flash; however, about one in five rounds failed to cycle properly (round did not go fully into battery). This is where the reduced recoil travel created by the added rubber buffer could have possibly been the problem, I don't know. This was the first time I used the Yugo stuff and I did notice it felt to be a less powerful round that the Wolf (hence less flash I suppose). In any event, since there was some issues with the Yugo ammo and since it's more corrosive than the Wolf, I'll stick to Wolf or other Russian steel-cased ammo. I consider this to be an ammo issue, not a gun issue.
I cycled the Wolf ammo through five magazines (Chinese 5-rnd, Tapco 20-rnd, Tapco 30-rnd, Romanian 30-rnd and Hungarian 20-rnd). All magazines worked well, no issues. I did notice the two Tapcos (polymer) were tighter fitting, but I liked the absence of significant wobble...with all 5.
The sights were surprisingly accurate; I had to adjust the front sight only a little bit.
One significant quality control issue that I solved when I got home: during firing, the muzzle nut pin and spring popped out! Luckily I was at an indoor range and was able to retrieve the parts. Upon inspection at home, I learned that the forward pin in the front sight block was positioned too low in the sight block for the pin to catch/retain the notch in the nut pin. I made a new pin out of a nail that had a slightly larger diameter, which meant that it sat up higher in the sight block just enough to retain the nut pin and spring. Problem solved, but this is a QC issues that should have been caught.
On balance, I am especially pleased with the new Mini. In my next range visit, I will test several alternative muzzle devices (yes, after deciding that it was a keeper, I dremeled off the tack weld from the muzzle nut). I'm not concerned with muzzle rise or controllability but I do want to tame that horrendous flash. I will provide another range report comparing muzzle devices, concentrating on their effectiveness in reducing flash. Subsequent mods will be to add a rail system and co-witnessed red dot and ultimately a stock and angled foregrip (after the ATF stamp).
Conclusions/recommendations: this one is a keeper and is not only a fun-gun but bas potential to be a serious PDW or general purpose SBR. Overall build, parts and craftsmanship are very good (except for the muzzle nut retainer issue). If possible, personally inspect before you buy. Thoroughly clean, hand-cycle the action a lot and oil liberally before your first range visit. Have fun.
I'd also suggest a personal inspection if possible. Out of 3 11.5" Dracos I looked at before buying....2 of the 3 had canted sights. Out of 3 Minis I inspected, 2 of the 3 had canted sights. So, looks like a 66.7% chance of canted sights for either in my admittedly small samples.
Sean
7/15/2011 6:35:02 PM
I put 50 rounds of Yugo through my new Mini Draco today, and had on failure to return to battery. Basically the bolt was open 1/2" with a live round being pushed into the chamber. It was in the first 10 rounds.
Two of the three Mini Draco's I have inspected had a canted front sight. The one that didn't (or is minimal) I bought.
It is no where as nice or well made as my PolyTech, but for the price it is super cool!
Two of the three Mini Draco's I have inspected had a canted front sight. The one that didn't (or is minimal) I bought.
It is no where as nice or well made as my PolyTech, but for the price it is super cool!
7/15/2011 6:55:10 PM
AKMike333:
Glad to hear you got a good one. So did I as I have not had one single problem yet. Before mine arrived I purchased one of the Blackjack buffers ($9) but realized I did not need it when I saw the nylon block. It is good to know that the buffer "can" be used if I want to install it. After closeer inspection I realized the nylon block is part of the design because the piston/op-rod is very short (due to the extremely short barrel and gas tube) and would come completely out of the gas tube (venting and diminishing the needed gas pressure) preventing the Mini from cycling at all.
I have Smith Vortex's on my 7.5" AR and a 10.5" and they completely eliminate any and all flash. I was thinking about putting one on my Mini but I am going to keep it as a pistol and am more concerned about muzzle rise then I am the resident fireball. The Bart Brake really does a good job of eliminating muzzle climb.
MadDog
Glad to hear you got a good one. So did I as I have not had one single problem yet. Before mine arrived I purchased one of the Blackjack buffers ($9) but realized I did not need it when I saw the nylon block. It is good to know that the buffer "can" be used if I want to install it. After closeer inspection I realized the nylon block is part of the design because the piston/op-rod is very short (due to the extremely short barrel and gas tube) and would come completely out of the gas tube (venting and diminishing the needed gas pressure) preventing the Mini from cycling at all.
I have Smith Vortex's on my 7.5" AR and a 10.5" and they completely eliminate any and all flash. I was thinking about putting one on my Mini but I am going to keep it as a pistol and am more concerned about muzzle rise then I am the resident fireball. The Bart Brake really does a good job of eliminating muzzle climb.
MadDog
7/15/2011 7:09:16 PM
MD - The Vortex (fitted for the AK) is one that I'll be testing tomorrow. The others are the PWS FSC, a Bulgarian 4-piece (which will likely suppress flash the best, but is heavy and long), and a modified Manticore Night Shroud. Should be fun. Hope to post results tomorrow evening.
Mike
Mike
7/16/2011 1:09:40 AM
I'm looking forward to your vortex vs fsc47 results, please post photos if you're able!
(I plan to install an fsc47 on my mini draco.)
(I plan to install an fsc47 on my mini draco.)
7/16/2011 2:50:51 PM
UPDATE - MUZZLE DEVICE TEST 7/16/11
Continued testing of the Mini today, this time with different muzzle devices. Since I'm not particularly sensitive to recoil, my emphasis was on reducing muzzle flash/sound/concussion. The tested devices were: (1) original muzzle nut; (2) Primary Weapons System (PWS) J-Tac47; (3) PWS FSC47; (4) Smith Enterprises Vortex; (5) Manticore NightShroud; and (6) 4-piece (Bulgarian Krink-style) flash-hider. Here is a photo (you'll also see a 24mm-to-14mm adapter that was necessary for items (5) and (6)).
My very subjective analysis follows; all testing done with Wolf Military Classic ammo:
(1) original muzzle nut - what can I say, the Mini is a flamethrower, with "impressive" flash, noise and concussion, especially when at an indoor range. I strongly suggest you double plug and apologize to your fellow shooters.
(2) Primary Weapons System (PWS) J-Tac47 - Noticeable improvement in muzzle control but no improvement in flash hiding.
(3) PWS FSC47 - Good muzzle control (though not much different than the J-Tac) and little flash reduction. I have one of these on my full-size WASR underfolder and it's probably one of the best general-purpose compensators (with some flash dispersion) you can get.
(4) Smith Enterprises Vortex - little change in muzzle control but excellent flash-hiding.
(5) Manticore NightShroud - little change in muzzle control and very little flash-hiding. I should note that I modified this item to dremel off the front ring that joins the four tangs; however, I believe this action, if anything, should have reduced flash more.
(6) 4-piece (Bulgarian Krink-style) flash-hider - - little change in muzzle control and good, but not great, flash-hiding. I was surprised that it did not come out on top for taming flash. I have one on my Yugo M92 pistol (10" barrel) and it does a great job.
Keep in mind that my objective is flash reduction, not muzzle control. Also, all of the products are top quality and I'm sure serve their intended purpose...none probably envisioned to be mounted on a 7 1/2" AK. Having said that, the Vortex wins for me. It also has the advantage of having a self-tightening design that really works.
Following up on my first report, I want to report that I shot 45 rounds of the Yugo ammo and this time it functioned flawlessly; must have been a break-in thing. I'll still stick with Russian steel case from now on.
Also, let me mention two topics that I've seen commentary on: (1) the stability of the polymer block positioned in the rear of the receiver (some have reported it moving around too much during firing and causing a malfunction) and (2) the infamous screw mount for the handguard.
I had no issues at all with the stability of the polymer block, though the hard rubber recoil buffer I added may have added stability. I also noted that when I snap on the dust cover, it seems to fit snugly around the block and I suspect help keep it in place. This is no issue for me at all.
Regarding the handguard screw, I was remiss in not reporting on that initially since that seems to be the Achilles Heel of the design . That is not a lingering concern for me since I plan to replace the hideous wood guard soon for a aluminum railed mount; I'll either do away with the screw attachment altogether or adopt it into mods I make on the rails. In addition, my dealer had already replaced the screw and deepened the thread slightly. That plus some Locktite I added must have caused this not to be an issue on my sample.
Other changes I've made since firing today are smoothing the rubbing surfaces on the trigger group, replacing the shepherd's hook spring with a plate and widening the notch in the rear sight (old eyes).
Continued testing of the Mini today, this time with different muzzle devices. Since I'm not particularly sensitive to recoil, my emphasis was on reducing muzzle flash/sound/concussion. The tested devices were: (1) original muzzle nut; (2) Primary Weapons System (PWS) J-Tac47; (3) PWS FSC47; (4) Smith Enterprises Vortex; (5) Manticore NightShroud; and (6) 4-piece (Bulgarian Krink-style) flash-hider. Here is a photo (you'll also see a 24mm-to-14mm adapter that was necessary for items (5) and (6)).
My very subjective analysis follows; all testing done with Wolf Military Classic ammo:
(1) original muzzle nut - what can I say, the Mini is a flamethrower, with "impressive" flash, noise and concussion, especially when at an indoor range. I strongly suggest you double plug and apologize to your fellow shooters.
(2) Primary Weapons System (PWS) J-Tac47 - Noticeable improvement in muzzle control but no improvement in flash hiding.
(3) PWS FSC47 - Good muzzle control (though not much different than the J-Tac) and little flash reduction. I have one of these on my full-size WASR underfolder and it's probably one of the best general-purpose compensators (with some flash dispersion) you can get.
(4) Smith Enterprises Vortex - little change in muzzle control but excellent flash-hiding.
(5) Manticore NightShroud - little change in muzzle control and very little flash-hiding. I should note that I modified this item to dremel off the front ring that joins the four tangs; however, I believe this action, if anything, should have reduced flash more.
(6) 4-piece (Bulgarian Krink-style) flash-hider - - little change in muzzle control and good, but not great, flash-hiding. I was surprised that it did not come out on top for taming flash. I have one on my Yugo M92 pistol (10" barrel) and it does a great job.
Keep in mind that my objective is flash reduction, not muzzle control. Also, all of the products are top quality and I'm sure serve their intended purpose...none probably envisioned to be mounted on a 7 1/2" AK. Having said that, the Vortex wins for me. It also has the advantage of having a self-tightening design that really works.
Following up on my first report, I want to report that I shot 45 rounds of the Yugo ammo and this time it functioned flawlessly; must have been a break-in thing. I'll still stick with Russian steel case from now on.
Also, let me mention two topics that I've seen commentary on: (1) the stability of the polymer block positioned in the rear of the receiver (some have reported it moving around too much during firing and causing a malfunction) and (2) the infamous screw mount for the handguard.
I had no issues at all with the stability of the polymer block, though the hard rubber recoil buffer I added may have added stability. I also noted that when I snap on the dust cover, it seems to fit snugly around the block and I suspect help keep it in place. This is no issue for me at all.
Regarding the handguard screw, I was remiss in not reporting on that initially since that seems to be the Achilles Heel of the design . That is not a lingering concern for me since I plan to replace the hideous wood guard soon for a aluminum railed mount; I'll either do away with the screw attachment altogether or adopt it into mods I make on the rails. In addition, my dealer had already replaced the screw and deepened the thread slightly. That plus some Locktite I added must have caused this not to be an issue on my sample.
Other changes I've made since firing today are smoothing the rubbing surfaces on the trigger group, replacing the shepherd's hook spring with a plate and widening the notch in the rear sight (old eyes).
7/17/2011 2:12:02 AM
Wow, great selection of muzzle devices you tested!
I'm still planning to install an FSC47, it may not hide the flash as well as the Vortex but I'm looking forward to it's help in minimizing muzzle rise.
Thanks for posting AKMike!
I'm still planning to install an FSC47, it may not hide the flash as well as the Vortex but I'm looking forward to it's help in minimizing muzzle rise.
Thanks for posting AKMike!
7/17/2011 12:57:52 PM
If you really want to eliminate muzzle rise then I would go with the Bart Brake. It does an excellent job as my pistol has almost no muzzle rise. It doesn't do shit for the flash, in fact it probably increases it or at least directs the flash to the sides so it is more noticable. I am most interested in getting on target faster so I love the Bart. If I wanted to eliminate flash then it would be the Vortex.
JMHO,
MadDog
JMHO,
MadDog
7/17/2011 1:42:21 PM
Originally Posted By MadDogDan:
If you really want to eliminate muzzle rise then I would go with the Bart Brake. It does an excellent job as my pistol has almost no muzzle rise. It doesn't do shit for the flash, in fact it probably increases it or at least directs the flash to the sides so it is more noticable. I am most interested in getting on target faster so I love the Bart. If I wanted to eliminate flash then it would be the Vortex.
JMHO,
MadDog
If you really want to eliminate muzzle rise then I would go with the Bart Brake. It does an excellent job as my pistol has almost no muzzle rise. It doesn't do shit for the flash, in fact it probably increases it or at least directs the flash to the sides so it is more noticable. I am most interested in getting on target faster so I love the Bart. If I wanted to eliminate flash then it would be the Vortex.
JMHO,
MadDog
That's good to hear.. I picked up a Bart just the other day..
7/17/2011 10:25:39 PM
Can you post a photo of the mini with the 4-piece (Bulgarian Krink-style) flash-hider?
7/18/2011 6:26:23 PM
Since my Mini is for entertainment only, I want to minimize muzzle climb but have no interest in diminishing muzzle flash.
7/20/2011 6:58:34 AM
bb2007, here are two photos: with the 4-piece and the Vortex.
7/20/2011 7:43:41 AM
I have a Battlecomp on my AUG and is about the best I have found for reducing muzzle climb. They now make Battlecomps for AK so I think I will give one a try. Very pricy but worth it in my opinion.
Oh well, its just money.
MadDog
Oh well, its just money.
MadDog
7/20/2011 7:56:39 AM
On my mini, I had to cut the hood open on th FSB. The sight adjustment was so tall I had to
Open the top to allow a proper sight picture.
Open the top to allow a proper sight picture.
7/20/2011 11:37:46 AM
I'm shooting my Draco with a vortex flash hider, hogue pistol grip, Magpul AFG, and tight 3-point sling. WTF is this muzzle climb that you guys are experiencing? If you're a dealer and rocking a post-86 sample, I could see the need to reduce muzzle climb on FA.
But on semi-auto for the other 99.9999% of us?! For the love of big tits, fuhgedaboudit. I'll take my flash and noise reduction any day. You guys (Tommy) can keep the extra noise and muzzle flash of the 74-style variants and the over-priced tacticool new comers. Being deaf and blind never won anybody a gunfight, and the Draco is my trunk gun, not a novelty.
I do understand for those who only keep it as a novelty or range toy. It does cook bacon and cause hearing loss rather well with the 74-style, slant, or standard muzzle nut.
But on semi-auto for the other 99.9999% of us?! For the love of big tits, fuhgedaboudit. I'll take my flash and noise reduction any day. You guys (Tommy) can keep the extra noise and muzzle flash of the 74-style variants and the over-priced tacticool new comers. Being deaf and blind never won anybody a gunfight, and the Draco is my trunk gun, not a novelty.
I do understand for those who only keep it as a novelty or range toy. It does cook bacon and cause hearing loss rather well with the 74-style, slant, or standard muzzle nut.
7/20/2011 12:24:54 PM
Originally Posted By AKMike333:
bb2007, here are two photos: with the 4-piece and the Vortex.
http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae346/poochee3/DSC_0382Quicke-mailview.jpg
http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae346/poochee3/DSC_0381Quicke-mailview.jpg
bb2007, here are two photos: with the 4-piece and the Vortex.
http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae346/poochee3/DSC_0382Quicke-mailview.jpg
http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae346/poochee3/DSC_0381Quicke-mailview.jpg
Thanks! Looks good. Definitely getting good ideas for my Mini Draco. (Currently inbound to my dealer.)
7/20/2011 1:03:12 PM
Originally Posted By dissipator556:
I'm shooting my Draco with a vortex flash hider, hogue pistol grip, Magpul AFG, and tight 3-point sling. WTF is this muzzle climb that you guys are experiencing? If you're a dealer and rocking a post-86 sample, I could see the need to reduce muzzle climb on FA.
But on semi-auto for the other 99.9999% of us?! For the love of big tits, fuhgedaboudit. I'll take my flash and noise reduction any day. You guys (Tommy) can keep the extra noise and muzzle flash of the 74-style variants and the over-priced tacticool new comers. Being deaf and blind never won anybody a gunfight, and the Draco is my trunk gun, not a novelty.
I do understand for those who only keep it as a novelty or range toy. It does cook bacon and cause hearing loss rather well with the 74-style, slant, or standard muzzle nut.
I'm shooting my Draco with a vortex flash hider, hogue pistol grip, Magpul AFG, and tight 3-point sling. WTF is this muzzle climb that you guys are experiencing? If you're a dealer and rocking a post-86 sample, I could see the need to reduce muzzle climb on FA.
But on semi-auto for the other 99.9999% of us?! For the love of big tits, fuhgedaboudit. I'll take my flash and noise reduction any day. You guys (Tommy) can keep the extra noise and muzzle flash of the 74-style variants and the over-priced tacticool new comers. Being deaf and blind never won anybody a gunfight, and the Draco is my trunk gun, not a novelty.
I do understand for those who only keep it as a novelty or range toy. It does cook bacon and cause hearing loss rather well with the 74-style, slant, or standard muzzle nut.
We can't all be DEVGRU like you.
