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3/10/2011 3:52:35 PM
Well, I posted the first accounts of my situation in the Tech Post, but thought I would share the Readers Digest Version here.
Last weekend I was shooting my Yugo underfolder. Got a few rounds down and she jammed. Looked inside and there was a piece of metal in the chamber. I still don't know what this thing is called, but there are two of them. They keep the bolt locked in when firing the weapon. The one on the right side sheared off. I was heart broken. I traded my Draco for this used Yugo at a local shop.
I got hold of a very nice lady at Century and she took the rifle back. She never told me if it was still in warranty or not, but she gave me no hassles. She was very courteous and helpful. I sent her back, yesterday. The lady told me it would be 2 weeks.
Last weekend I was shooting my Yugo underfolder. Got a few rounds down and she jammed. Looked inside and there was a piece of metal in the chamber. I still don't know what this thing is called, but there are two of them. They keep the bolt locked in when firing the weapon. The one on the right side sheared off. I was heart broken. I traded my Draco for this used Yugo at a local shop.
I got hold of a very nice lady at Century and she took the rifle back. She never told me if it was still in warranty or not, but she gave me no hassles. She was very courteous and helpful. I sent her back, yesterday. The lady told me it would be 2 weeks.
3/10/2011 4:43:13 PM
If you are talking about the locking lugs, that could have been catastrophic.
3/10/2011 6:00:48 PM
Good to hear they are taking care of you. Repairs would have been extensive and expensive (assuming you didn't do the work yourself) on your end had they not accepted the rifle for repair.
3/10/2011 9:41:42 PM
Originally Posted By Liquidmetal:
Good to hear they are taking care of you. Repairs would have been extensive and expensive (assuming you didn't do the work yourself) on your end had they not accepted the rifle for repair.
Good to hear they are taking care of you. Repairs would have been extensive and expensive (assuming you didn't do the work yourself) on your end had they not accepted the rifle for repair.
Let us know how it works out for you. Are they paying for the shipping there?
3/11/2011 3:17:11 PM
Yeah, the locking lugs. I had no idea of how bad it was till I got home and posted. I guess I'm pretty lucky it didn't blow up in my face.
Nope, they are not paying shipping there. It was only $20.00 via FED EX. I was just so happy they took it back I didn't care about paying the shipping.
I started looking for a new front trunnion and it wasn't so easy finding a Yugo. There was no way I was going to be able to do the work myself, but thought I could get the trunnion and find a smith. We only have 1 and he is backed up for months.
I will keep you guys posted.
Nope, they are not paying shipping there. It was only $20.00 via FED EX. I was just so happy they took it back I didn't care about paying the shipping.
I started looking for a new front trunnion and it wasn't so easy finding a Yugo. There was no way I was going to be able to do the work myself, but thought I could get the trunnion and find a smith. We only have 1 and he is backed up for months.
I will keep you guys posted.
3/13/2011 6:13:10 PM
This is why I don't buy AK products sight-unseen online. Last week I bought an M70B2. My preferred dealer got 4 of them in and he let me inspect all 4 before he put them out for sale so that I could get the pick of the litter. One had a horribly canted rear sight (much worse than the usual AK cant), one had a rear sight that was stuck on 400yds and it's underfolder stock refused to budge as well. Another had a serious trigger problem. I bought the one that was fit for sale. His gunsmith was going to work on the other three. 3 out of 4 had serious or annoying problems. I'll gladly spend a little extra $$$ in order to do a hands-on inspection. The one I got has been excellent for the 2 times I've taken it to the range.
3/14/2011 1:07:56 PM
Originally Posted By B2Tall:
This is why I don't buy AK products sight-unseen online. Last week I bought an M70B2. My preferred dealer got 4 of them in and he let me inspect all 4 before he put them out for sale so that I could get the pick of the litter. One had a horribly canted rear sight (much worse than the usual AK cant), one had a rear sight that was stuck on 400yds and it's underfolder stock refused to budge as well. Another had a serious trigger problem. I bought the one that was fit for sale. His gunsmith was going to work on the other three. 3 out of 4 had serious or annoying problems. I'll gladly spend a little extra $$$ in order to do a hands-on inspection. The one I got has been excellent for the 2 times I've taken it to the range.
This is why I don't buy AK products sight-unseen online. Last week I bought an M70B2. My preferred dealer got 4 of them in and he let me inspect all 4 before he put them out for sale so that I could get the pick of the litter. One had a horribly canted rear sight (much worse than the usual AK cant), one had a rear sight that was stuck on 400yds and it's underfolder stock refused to budge as well. Another had a serious trigger problem. I bought the one that was fit for sale. His gunsmith was going to work on the other three. 3 out of 4 had serious or annoying problems. I'll gladly spend a little extra $$$ in order to do a hands-on inspection. The one I got has been excellent for the 2 times I've taken it to the range.
Well, when you figure out a way to see metal fatigue inside a milled part let me know.
This rifle was bought at a gun shop and I inspected it the best I could. It had shot fine when I sighted it in and then again on another outing. Just like you the 2 times I took her out she worked excellent.
This was obviously a problem when the trunnion was milled and I don't think anyone could have seen it without x-raying the front trunnion.
And, if you had read the post it clearly said I traded my Draco for this rifle at a local shop.
3/14/2011 8:22:33 PM
Originally Posted By bikeman543:
Well, when you figure out a way to see metal fatigue inside a milled part let me know.
This rifle was bought at a gun shop and I inspected it the best I could. It had shot fine when I sighted it in and then again on another outing. Just like you the 2 times I took her out she worked excellent.
This was obviously a problem when the trunnion was milled and I don't think anyone could have seen it without x-raying the front trunnion.
And, if you had read the post it clearly said I traded my Draco for this rifle at a local shop.
Originally Posted By B2Tall:
This is why I don't buy AK products sight-unseen online. Last week I bought an M70B2. My preferred dealer got 4 of them in and he let me inspect all 4 before he put them out for sale so that I could get the pick of the litter. One had a horribly canted rear sight (much worse than the usual AK cant), one had a rear sight that was stuck on 400yds and it's underfolder stock refused to budge as well. Another had a serious trigger problem. I bought the one that was fit for sale. His gunsmith was going to work on the other three. 3 out of 4 had serious or annoying problems. I'll gladly spend a little extra $$$ in order to do a hands-on inspection. The one I got has been excellent for the 2 times I've taken it to the range.
This is why I don't buy AK products sight-unseen online. Last week I bought an M70B2. My preferred dealer got 4 of them in and he let me inspect all 4 before he put them out for sale so that I could get the pick of the litter. One had a horribly canted rear sight (much worse than the usual AK cant), one had a rear sight that was stuck on 400yds and it's underfolder stock refused to budge as well. Another had a serious trigger problem. I bought the one that was fit for sale. His gunsmith was going to work on the other three. 3 out of 4 had serious or annoying problems. I'll gladly spend a little extra $$$ in order to do a hands-on inspection. The one I got has been excellent for the 2 times I've taken it to the range.
Well, when you figure out a way to see metal fatigue inside a milled part let me know.
This rifle was bought at a gun shop and I inspected it the best I could. It had shot fine when I sighted it in and then again on another outing. Just like you the 2 times I took her out she worked excellent.
This was obviously a problem when the trunnion was milled and I don't think anyone could have seen it without x-raying the front trunnion.
And, if you had read the post it clearly said I traded my Draco for this rifle at a local shop.
I did read your entire post. I wasn't trying to be critical of you. My bad if it came across that way. I was speaking more in general of the defect rate of many "Americanized" AKs. I hold my breath (so to speak) until I successfully get a few hundred rounds down range through one.
3/15/2011 2:57:20 PM
Just in a bad mood. No harm no foul. Maybe it is Yugo withdrawl.
3/15/2011 3:38:44 PM
Originally Posted By bikeman543:
Maybe it is Yugo withdrawl.
Maybe it is Yugo withdrawl.
That's why you need to have more than one.
3/16/2011 2:57:30 PM
Originally Posted By Liquidmetal:
That's why you need to have more than one.
Originally Posted By bikeman543:
Maybe it is Yugo withdrawl.
Maybe it is Yugo withdrawl.
That's why you need to have more than one.
Aman, brother.
3/19/2011 6:55:14 PM
Originally Posted By Leon82:
If you are talking about the locking lugs, that could have been catastrophic.
If you are talking about the locking lugs, that could have been catastrophic.
Can someone post pictures of what the locking lugs should look like on a Century M70AB2? I'm considering purchasing one from a friend, and I do recall a pretty bad jam where it took a ton of force to get the bolt carrier back (ie, hitting the cocking handle against a stump). We didn't fire any more rounds that day, and I don't believe it has been fired since. The price is right, but I don't want to purchase something that could potentially fail in a catastrophic manor.
3/21/2011 12:30:25 PM
Here is what is NOT suppose to look like:
Here is the lug that sheared off:
Here is the lug that sheared off:
3/30/2011 5:40:18 AM
Well fellas, I have to say Century is the best thing ever! As you know I sent my underfolder back. I called after it had been there a week and was told to wait another week before checking. So, Monday I didn't have time to check and late in the afternoon the Fed Ex guy showed up at my door with my rifle.
I opened the box and saw my green handguards and my green para-cord wrapped butt stock. First thing I noticed that was different was the slant flash hider. When I sent it back it didn't have a flash hider. So further inspection showed they put my handguards and butt stock on a brand new rifle. I had to check the serial number twice to make sure until I found the Gun Smith Report. Everything is good to go, no slanted sights or anything.
I will wave the Century flag high from now on. I never expected service this good.
Elaine over at Century was very nice, speedy on replying and was very helpful during this process.
I opened the box and saw my green handguards and my green para-cord wrapped butt stock. First thing I noticed that was different was the slant flash hider. When I sent it back it didn't have a flash hider. So further inspection showed they put my handguards and butt stock on a brand new rifle. I had to check the serial number twice to make sure until I found the Gun Smith Report. Everything is good to go, no slanted sights or anything.
I will wave the Century flag high from now on. I never expected service this good.
Elaine over at Century was very nice, speedy on replying and was very helpful during this process.
3/30/2011 6:34:11 AM
Good to hear things worked out for you. Century's customer service has a pretty decent rep.
3/30/2011 9:48:34 PM
Originally Posted By bikeman543:
Well fellas, I have to say Century is the best thing ever! As you know I sent my underfolder back. I called after it had been there a week and was told to wait another week before checking. So, Monday I didn't have time to check and late in the afternoon the Fed Ex guy showed up at my door with my rifle.
I opened the box and saw my green handguards and my green para-cord wrapped butt stock. First thing I noticed that was different was the slant flash hider. When I sent it back it didn't have a flash hider. So further inspection showed they put my handguards and butt stock on a brand new rifle. I had to check the serial number twice to make sure until I found the Gun Smith Report. Everything is good to go, no slanted sights or anything.
I will wave the Century flag high from now on. I never expected service this good.
Elaine over at Century was very nice, speedy on replying and was very helpful during this process.
Well fellas, I have to say Century is the best thing ever! As you know I sent my underfolder back. I called after it had been there a week and was told to wait another week before checking. So, Monday I didn't have time to check and late in the afternoon the Fed Ex guy showed up at my door with my rifle.
I opened the box and saw my green handguards and my green para-cord wrapped butt stock. First thing I noticed that was different was the slant flash hider. When I sent it back it didn't have a flash hider. So further inspection showed they put my handguards and butt stock on a brand new rifle. I had to check the serial number twice to make sure until I found the Gun Smith Report. Everything is good to go, no slanted sights or anything.
I will wave the Century flag high from now on. I never expected service this good.
Elaine over at Century was very nice, speedy on replying and was very helpful during this process.
Elaine treated me right as well. I had no problems with my warranty work by Century. I would think that better QC would be cheaper than good warranty service, but I can't complain.
3/31/2011 2:45:12 PM
Originally Posted By r0ttie1:
Elaine treated me right as well. I had no problems with my warranty work by Century. I would think that better QC would be cheaper than good warranty service, but I can't complain.
Originally Posted By bikeman543:
Well fellas, I have to say Century is the best thing ever! As you know I sent my underfolder back. I called after it had been there a week and was told to wait another week before checking. So, Monday I didn't have time to check and late in the afternoon the Fed Ex guy showed up at my door with my rifle.
I opened the box and saw my green handguards and my green para-cord wrapped butt stock. First thing I noticed that was different was the slant flash hider. When I sent it back it didn't have a flash hider. So further inspection showed they put my handguards and butt stock on a brand new rifle. I had to check the serial number twice to make sure until I found the Gun Smith Report. Everything is good to go, no slanted sights or anything.
I will wave the Century flag high from now on. I never expected service this good.
Elaine over at Century was very nice, speedy on replying and was very helpful during this process.
Well fellas, I have to say Century is the best thing ever! As you know I sent my underfolder back. I called after it had been there a week and was told to wait another week before checking. So, Monday I didn't have time to check and late in the afternoon the Fed Ex guy showed up at my door with my rifle.
I opened the box and saw my green handguards and my green para-cord wrapped butt stock. First thing I noticed that was different was the slant flash hider. When I sent it back it didn't have a flash hider. So further inspection showed they put my handguards and butt stock on a brand new rifle. I had to check the serial number twice to make sure until I found the Gun Smith Report. Everything is good to go, no slanted sights or anything.
I will wave the Century flag high from now on. I never expected service this good.
Elaine over at Century was very nice, speedy on replying and was very helpful during this process.
Elaine treated me right as well. I had no problems with my warranty work by Century. I would think that better QC would be cheaper than good warranty service, but I can't complain.
I agree with you on both counts; it would be cheaper,but I can't complain.
3/31/2011 4:46:02 PM
A fatigued trunnion is hard to find because they probably dont inspect them with with non destructive methods.
also there is a 99.76% chance the bolt came from a different gun than your trunnion did, so there will be more pressure on one lug than the other.
also there is a 99.76% chance the bolt came from a different gun than your trunnion did, so there will be more pressure on one lug than the other.
4/4/2011 12:42:44 PM
Originally Posted By Leon82:
A fatigued trunnion is hard to find because they probably dont inspect them with with non destructive methods.
also there is a 99.76% chance the bolt came from a different gun than your trunnion did, so there will be more pressure on one lug than the other.
A fatigued trunnion is hard to find because they probably dont inspect them with with non destructive methods.
also there is a 99.76% chance the bolt came from a different gun than your trunnion did, so there will be more pressure on one lug than the other.
Yeah, that is a very good possibility and I'm sure they don't use destructive means to test these bad boys.
I sighted her in Saturday. First 3 shots were dead center about 10 inches low. A few twists of the front sight and she was dead center; right on the point of aim. Put about 3 mags through her and she ran flawless. Only problem is grenade sight kept creeping up. Gonna see if I can tighten that up, today, when I clean her up.
