Norinco model m

Hello I'm new to the board. I have been looking for a good battle rifle to round out my minie collection. I have a nice 12 gauge and a glock 19 for close range, It's time to add a little more long range capabilites. I have been looking at different gun stores for something In the 400-600 dollar range. I came across an sks with an ak-47 magazine. It has the wood monte carlo stock. The owner said It doesn't have to many rounds put through her. It was made In 1993. It's going for 500 dollars. My questions 1. How realible are they? Do they feed well? Are they more accurate then the ak? Would I be better off getting an ak?

For price I'd go get an AK. You have to really want something for the price of something that something else does better. They are pretty cool rifle but not worth 500 if you ask me.

$500 is mid to upper end for the one that you are describing. If you like it, and can get it for low to mid $400's then by all means, buy it! They are not as plentiful as AK's and variants, so who knows when the next one will come along. You'll always have the option for a future AK purchase.

I have owned one myself, sold it a few months back. I really liked it, if you are into SKS's then they are a must have. If I was going to put my money into another 7.62x39 rifle I would go with an AK first. $500 for a used one is too high, it is worth more around the $400 range. They go up for sale all the time for $500 used and pretty much never find a buyer.

If you are looking for accuracy then the SKS is the way to go, AK's are lead slinger's and are only good to 100-150 yards in a battle situation... I would look at gunbroker for a SKS-M you can get it cheaper....

Added:

You said it was made in 1993... I don't think so, it was probably imported in 1993.... The Chinese SKS are un-datable......

Price on the M Models is usually between 350 and 450 or so, I've seen some go a little higher, but I wouldn't pay the $500 they are asking. I would offer 400 and see what happens from there.

I have the M model, I'd rather have the D model, as the stock is more like the original SKS.

YMMV.

I used to hear similar things all the time when I shot on public ranges.
My standard response was to ask any one who said that if they'd like to hold the target at 200 yds.
No one ever had the courage of their convictions.
In reality, an SKS will usually shoot 5 shot groups about 1 to 1.5 inches smaller if the person behind the trigger knows the rifle and does his part, not enough difference to be significant in a "battle situation".

I'll let the video speak for itself:

AK vs M16


Granted this is an AK vs M16 and not the SKS, the point being you can not hit the broad side of the barn with an AK, watch the barrel closely... The AK was designed for CQC not distances and is why I state that the SKS is a more accurate weapon at a longer range......

It would be more accurate to say that YOU apparently can't hit the broad side of a barn with an AK. Your failing doesn't apply to all of us, and many of us don't need to watch innernet videos to determine the accuracy of an AK. Unlike you, we've actually shot AKs.
I can not only hit the broad side of a barn, I can hit a man standing in front of it. The average AK in 7.62 shoots 4 to 6 MOA. In fact, the Soviets turned in for repair any rifle not capable of putting 5 shots in 6" at 100 meters.
In case you forgot, 4 MOA is all shots within 2" of POA at 100 yds. 6 MOA is all shots within 3" of POA at 100 yds.
An SKS will shoot at BEST 1" to 1.5" smaller groups.
Go find someone who's actually been in combat and ask them if 1" to 1.5" better accuracy at 100 m/y makes any difference.

Perhaps you should do some reading on Soviet infantry doctrine and tactics before you spout off about the design parameters of the AK.
Perhaps you should actually learn to shoot an AK before you spout off about the (in)accuracy of the rifle.
Doing both will reduce the incidence of your making ridiculous statements on the innernet.

LOL, as I stated in my initial post a AK is only good for 100-150 yards, but we can see that ignorance is bliss..... LOL

Man you guys are putting an awful lot of fault on 2 very nice weapons. I own and SHOOT several different AK's & SKS's including a couple of M models one with the same stoch the author referrs to and if any of them shot that bad I would give them away. I also own (built) several AR's and must admit they will group tighter at 300 + meters than the others but I guarantee I can take any of the others and put a bullet in a mans head at 300 meters. I have seen sooooo many fine firearms slammed by internet experts that have read this or that when they should spend some time learning how to shoot. They might just be surprised how good any gun can shoot if the operator knows what he, she, or it is doing. Dont meen to tick anyone off but those groups you guys are quoting just plane suck...................My 2 cents, Have a great day..

So you regularly produce 5 shot groups smaller than 4" with iron sight 7.62 AKs and you regularly produce 5 shot groups smaller than 2.5" with iron sight SKSs?

OK. I suggest you document these feats. You're unique.

I'm not faulting either weapon. I'm being realistic. Both were designed for a single purpose: Hit a man sized target out to 300 meters. Extreme accuracy is not required to accomplish that task. Further, the clearances necessary to produce extreme accuracy result in excessive maintenance requirements and/or a lack of reliability. The Soviets were smart enough not to sacrfice reliability in pursuit of unnecessary levels of accuracy.

And you're the happiest person this side of the Pecos Mountains.

Ok, maybe (fault) was the wrong word, As for documentation, I could produce a target in about 5 minutes that could show anything I wanted it to and that would prove absolutely NOTHING. I live in the real world and along with a few friends of mine we shoot those weapons on a regular basis and we all know what they were designed for. The only problem here is that those that think for a minute that is all their capable of are sadly mistaken. I don't even attempt to prove anything to anybody, but sir, I know what they can do first hand and I can also assure you that they are capable of even more than we can squeeze out of them. The only short comings I have seen from either weapon is generated from the guy, girl, or whatever that has their finger on the trigger.

I wasn't referring to proof here. I meant documentation for history.
Shooting that good shouldn't be lost.

Well I didn't meen anything personal so please dont take what I'm saying the wrong way. But history is just that. What I and my friends have done will never be lost in our eyes because we know. We also know the only thing that matters is the future. We are just scratching the surface. Hopefully our children and our childrens children will put us to shame. And they are going to need to because the way this country is going thats the only way anyone is going to survive. We are not magical sharp shooters, we are devoted survivors. And whatever it takes to do that, must be done. Now this is going way off into left field and I dont want to distrack from this gentlemans original question. I apologize if it seems so. I said more than was ever necessary and responded when I should have remained silent. You gentlemen go on with your issues as I am always entertain by reading them. Have a great day.

I think you have the DUTY to teach others. You've found a secret that no one else has discovered. I think you need to start making a living training others. There are thousands of people who would be willing to pay handsomely to have that secret.

I suggest that Gunlover -AR should be your first paying student.

My DUTY is to my family and my country. My family comes first. I have no need for paying customers. And finally (There is NO secret) Simple mechanics, mathmatics, and self control. Nuff said.

Man,

This is starting to sound like a thread over on the AR boards. Everybody pull up a seat.

You're about 5 months late.

Those two guys are about the worst examples I've ever seen to be preforming any kind of shooting demo,the guy on the AK pulls the trigger like he setting a nook and who the heck wears dark shooting glasses in a barely lit shooting tunnel. It not even a fair comparison any ways the AR was designed to be a rifle first while the AK was designed to be a MG first. The SKS falls somewhere in between and just has it's own nitch.

As far as dating the Chinese SKS you can date the Factory /26\ rifles.

As far as a long range battle rifle, the SKS/ any 7.62x39 is more of a short to mid-range capable rifle. I do not have an M model, but I have 2 Sporters that take AK mags and have Paratrooper length barrels. They are both more accurate than any 7.62 AK I have ever used, but take longer to get a mag locked in then an AK. One likes FMJ the best and will sometimes hang up with HP's or SP's, the other is a little mag sensative. The way these things were made to fit an Ak mag into a SKS is not fool proof, the locking points in the front of the magwell are tiny and if in a hurry sometimes a pain to get a mag to hold on. Also the BHO feature is removed as well as the stripper clip guide, both things I love about standard SKS's.

So I guess what I am trying to say is they are not the best "battle" or "combat" rifles around, but they are fun at the range and out hunting etc. If I sold off my collection of guns, they would be close to the last to go.

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