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 Any good reason not to buy a Saiga .223 with the 16" barrel?
straightshooter06  [Member]
5/25/2006 10:56:57 AM
These things are now being imported by Russian American Armory and offered through a few places. At least once place has them for $239. Sounds like a fun blaster and seems to have more potential for upgrades (i.e. conversion) than the Yugo SKS. Yugos are going for around $165 but for only a few bucks more you get an sporter AK in .223. Seems like a winner to me. Anyone disagree?
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MRW  [Moderator]
5/25/2006 2:33:33 PM
I paid 300 for mine back in the day. They are the only sub $500 223 autoloader worth the money in my opinion. It even puts the Mini-14 to shame. 5.56 chamber, chrome lined bore, 1/9 twist, etc. Mine will do 1" groups at 50 yards with the open sights, and it is easily scoped.
CitizenSoldier  [Team Member]
5/25/2006 2:47:15 PM
My 7.62*39 Saiga is an absolute joy and pleasure to shoot. It is in AK-103 trim and if I had a 5.56 so would it (101).
straightshooter06  [Member]
5/25/2006 4:41:00 PM
Dang it. I called and they aren't expecting them until July. I hate waiting for stuff. First it was ammo and now it's the gun itself......
BiggerStick47  [Team Member]
5/25/2006 11:06:47 PM

Originally Posted By MRW:
I paid 300 for mine back in the day. They are the only sub $500 223 autoloader worth the money in my opinion. It even puts the Mini-14 to shame. 5.56 chamber, chrome lined bore, 1/9 twist, etc. Mine will do 1" groups at 50 yards with the open sights, and it is easily scoped.



I hate to +1, but +1. These are well worth the money and beat the pants off Mini 14s.
GenghisKhan  [Team Member]
5/28/2006 4:32:44 AM
The only reason to not buy one is if you wanted it with a pistol grip from the factory and did not want to convert it. I am 100% happy with mine and enjoyed converting it. It is certainly worth the money in my opinion.
-RotorDemon-  [Team Member]
5/28/2006 4:39:22 AM
I'll be converting my x39 this summer.

Nice nice rifle.
RS39  [Site Staff]
5/28/2006 10:16:38 AM
Great guns, and a super bargain if you do not need to spend the $ on the milspec front handguard conversion.
44rdv4rk  [Member]
5/28/2006 7:50:29 PM
the saigas are possible the best quality/price ratio in an AK today.
CitizenSoldier  [Team Member]
5/28/2006 9:42:40 PM

Originally Posted By -RotorDemon-:
I'll be converting my x39 this summer.

Nice nice rifle.



You will love it man!
Maschinengewehr34  [Member]
5/28/2006 10:35:54 PM
What is the mag situation with this particular rifle? Do they accept high capacity mags? If so, which ones? I bought a Saiga .308 a couple of months back and am not too pleased with the availability of mags.
stainlessAR15shooter  [Member]
5/29/2006 2:13:36 AM
Masch that's why I decided against getting one of the .308 versions. Get one you'll love it. They are a far better buy than the Mini-14. I don't care what the rifle mag writers say the Mini-14 is way overpriced and inaccurate especially when that thin barrel gets hot. Owned both and got rid of the Mini-14 after getting the Saiga. The only downside is it doesn't accept without alterations hi-cap mags and if something happens to your factory mag they're kinda expensive to replace about $30.00 I believe.
MRW  [Moderator]
5/29/2006 8:19:24 AM
Assuming RAA is offering the same deal that EAA did, they come with two 10-round polymer mags. They are easily converted to take steel E. German Wegier mags, galil mags, or others with some work. See the tacked threads in this forum for conversion details.

I have used 5.45 bakelite mags with Robarm 223 followers with limited success. I had to grind down the front of the mag a bit to clear the trunion, but I did a sloppy job and the mag wobbles a bit too much to feed 100%. I'm sure if I took the time to fine tune it it would run better. Or I could just get some wegier mags...


But right now I'm happy with my 5 10- round mags. TSince mine has not been converted to a pistol grip style, they feel better than an extended mag.
Shane333  [Team Member]
5/31/2006 11:54:12 AM

Originally Posted By MRW:
Assuming RAA is offering the same deal that EAA did, they come with two 10-round polymer mags. They are easily converted to take steel E. German Wegier mags, galil mags, or others with some work. See the tacked threads in this forum for conversion details.

I have used 5.45 bakelite mags with Robarm 223 followers with limited success. I had to grind down the front of the mag a bit to clear the trunion, but I did a sloppy job and the mag wobbles a bit too much to feed 100%. I'm sure if I took the time to fine tune it it would run better. Or I could just get some wegier mags...


But right now I'm happy with my 5 10- round mags. TSince mine has not been converted to a pistol grip style, they feel better than an extended mag.



I went the same road with the 5.45 mags and Robarm 223 followers. However, I took the time when grinding down the feed lips, and there's no wobble. In fact, the fit is so tight that I think I'll take off a tad more.

I have zero mechanical ability and I was still able to do a successful conversion with a little patience and work.

My personal conversion (and cat thrown in too):
EchoAK  [Member]
6/11/2006 8:34:47 PM
I own both Saiga 7.62 & .223 16inch. The 30 rd clips from CDNN are easily converted to the Saiga. Less than 5 min per clip. All it takes is a dial caliper, 4 inch grinder and a cresent wrench. The German 7.62 "like new" clips from CDNN cost about $9.
I also converted to pistol grip without moving the trigger group. The grip and stock are one piece.
If someone would tell me how to post pictures I'll show you how to do it. I tried the URL address but it didn't work.
BiggerStick47  [Team Member]
6/11/2006 9:41:17 PM

Originally Posted By EchoAK:

If someone would tell me how to post pictures I'll show you how to do it. I tried the URL address but it didn't work.




Here you go Echo: www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=295311
MRW  [Moderator]
6/11/2006 10:02:34 PM
Echo, welcome to the board! I'd be very interested in pics. did you use 223 mags or 5.45?


and just a heads up that folks are going to ridicule you if you call magazines "clips"

EchoAK  [Member]
6/12/2006 4:11:19 PM
I used .223 mags from Aim Surplus. I paid $15 each. They are no longer in stock last time I checked. I do know tickbite has some for $26 each. You can see them at

http://www.tickbitesupply.com/davids1.html#akmags

These are the same type I converted for my Saiga.
MRW  [Moderator]
6/12/2006 5:05:47 PM
Here's Echo's pics



ROMAD-556  [Member]
6/13/2006 1:02:40 PM
Who is selling RAA/Saiga .223 16" rifles for $239?
Shane333  [Team Member]
6/13/2006 1:13:11 PM

Originally Posted By ROMAD-556:
Who is selling RAA/Saiga .223 16" rifles for $239?



I think fbmginc is selling them, but for closer to $300 each. I bought mine over a year ago for $225, but I havent seen new ones at that shop for a while.
762bodydropper  [Team Member]
6/13/2006 1:19:30 PM

Originally Posted By MRW:
Here's Echo's pics

photos.ar15.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?sAccountUnq=5205&iGalleryUnq=309&iImageUnq=47593

photos.ar15.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?sAccountUnq=5205&iGalleryUnq=309&iImageUnq=47592



Thats different, I kinda like it. I like the longer handguards better than the standard size foregrips on AKs.
ARMIKEFMJ  [Member]
6/18/2006 8:25:40 AM
The only reason I can think of not to is if you can get a 20 inch barreled one....lol....... I ordered a .223 Saiga friday and my FFL said the dealer might have a 20 inch barrel Saiga. We will seee.........
keller  [Member]
6/18/2006 10:20:12 PM
There is a sticky with how to convert 5.45 mags to 5.56. In that sticky I posted what is IMO the best way to convert them. I always see people saying to grind the top of the mag down. Since the trunion is different in the saigas I think that is the part that should be modded. Take your time do it right and you will not have to fit each mag to the gun.
ReverendTankerJamie  [Member]
6/22/2006 12:41:19 PM
Do bulgarian 5.56 clear waffle mags work on the saiga 223?
MRW  [Moderator]
6/22/2006 10:16:11 PM
Not if I recall correctly. There is no set "pattern" for 223 AK rifles. The bulgarians used an AK-47 patern design for their 223 rifles and this has a wider mag well than the 5.45 pattern that is used for the 223 siagas. The bulgy mags are therefore to wide to fit the siaga magwell.
ReverendTankerJamie  [Member]
6/23/2006 3:55:05 AM
Ahhh, that makes sense. I am constructing my own little ak-102 project right now. I was going to have Mark Krebs do all the work but my dad being the gun smith that he is wants to take on the project. I would do it my self but I am in Iraq right now and that doesnt really allow me the freedom to do such things.
My plans are:
ACE Side Folder Addapter
ACE Pig Nose Stock Addapter
MagPul Stock
Krebs Custom Quad Rail
Bulgarian AK-102 gas block/front sight
Bulgarian 14mm to 24mm thread addapter
Bulgarian Flash Hider
Surefire flashlight
Atilla
and 7 Bulgarian Waffle mags

I have all this stuff but no weapon yet...
MRW  [Moderator]
6/23/2006 6:39:36 AM
looks good except for the waffle mags. The tacked thread in this forum on how to convert galil mags seems the most promising for the 223.

You migh also want to add a feed ramp
Kalash_223  [Member]
6/24/2006 8:50:08 AM
So if I were to buy 7.62x39mm Saiga it would not take standard AK mags without modification, just asthe .223 model is limited to 10 round magazines?
keller  [Member]
6/24/2006 1:50:04 PM

Originally Posted By Kalash_223:
So if I were to buy 7.62x39mm Saiga it would not take standard AK mags without modification, just asthe .223 model is limited to 10 round magazines?


Yes.
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