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 Can I shoot 7.62x39 in my .308 VEPR?
bjjbrawler  [Member]
5/3/2006 1:39:22 PM
Title says it all. I have a .308 and picked up some South African 7.62x39. Will my VEPR handle it safely?

I would like to hear from someone's "first hand" experience, if possible.

Thanks guys.

erickktm  [Member]
5/3/2006 3:00:54 PM
No, I don't have any first hand experience is shooting guns with ammo that they where not intended for. It just dosn't seem like a good idea. I also don't think it would cycle, it might not even chamber up and fire, due it being shorter.
MuRDoC  [Team Member]
5/3/2006 3:04:28 PM
no you can't shoot 7.62x39 in a 7.62x51 rifle
rugerp345  [Member]
5/3/2006 3:07:35 PM
You'll need a ramrod to extract the case from the breech. Also, only fire single shot, with no magazine. Ancient Chinese Secret !
Essayons  [Team Member]
5/3/2006 3:07:41 PM
This reminds me of all the guys I served with in the Army who thought the 7.62x39 AK would shoot 7.52x51 but not vice verse . . . and weren't convinced otherwise when I pointed out that 7.62x51 is 12mm longer. Oh well, those were the same guys who thought I was "smart" because I used the poles of the GP Medium as a lever to get the canvas into the deuce and a half.
Hootbro  [Member]
5/3/2006 6:17:27 PM
Let me know when you are in Texas so I can avoid the ranges you are at.

Hootbro
bjjbrawler  [Member]
5/4/2006 12:45:38 AM
Thanks guys
GenghisKhan  [Team Member]
5/4/2006 1:18:22 AM
I would not do this thing.
MRW  [Moderator]
5/4/2006 11:21:38 AM


metric rifle calibers are given by bullet diameter and case length

(bullet diameter)X(case length)


The middle pair, both are 7.62 mm diameter, the short one is 39 mm case, the longer one is 51 mm case

two completely different calibers
44rdv4rk  [Member]
5/4/2006 2:35:54 PM
MRW, what is that giant case with the tiny bullet!?!?!

and what is its muzzle velocity?

sorry if thats a dumb question, but i is ignorant.
MRW  [Moderator]
5/4/2006 2:46:46 PM

Originally Posted By 44rdv4rk:
MRW, what is that giant case with the tiny bullet!?!?!

and what is its muzzle velocity?

sorry if thats a dumb question, but i is ignorant.



You and I both! I have no stinking clue what the two on the right are. Maybe 50 BMG and 50BMG necked down to 5.56? Whatever it is, it's got to be a joke.

The two on the left are the current soviet regime 5.45x39 and the NATO 5.56x45
HBruns  [Team Member]
5/4/2006 3:08:05 PM

Originally Posted By 44rdv4rk:
MRW, what is that giant case with the tiny bullet!?!?!

and what is its muzzle velocity?

sorry if thats a dumb question, but i is ignorant.

It's a .50 BMG necked down to .17 caliber, called a sometning-something-loudenboomer (I forget)

It's done more as a joke than a viable rifle caliber. Several examples have been done - usually in either 22 or 17 cal.
Barrel life would likely be less than 100 rounds before the throat was completely washed out.

A while back there was an actual rifle chambered in a large, necked-down caliber (not as big as a 50 BMG). Velocity was in the 5,000 fps range.... not as high as you'd think. The problem is that you soon get into the area of diminishing returns when more powder is added.
44rdv4rk  [Member]
5/4/2006 8:36:18 PM
ah, i see.

i was thinking it'd be going like mach 5.
definitely some twisted minds behind that round.

thx for the info
762bodydropper  [Team Member]
5/5/2006 9:21:35 PM
Hmmm....can you shoot 9MM in your .380?
The 7.62x39 and 7.62x51 are totally different rounds.....No you cant! It wont fit in the magazine...or the bore...or the bolt.....

Why would you want to.....Come on man use your brain....Thats why guns are made in specific calibers....Not a 7.62X39/7.62X51.....
RELOADER-BOB  [Team Member]
5/6/2006 1:05:49 AM

Originally Posted By Essayons:
This reminds me of all the guys I served with in the Army who thought the 7.62x39 AK would shoot 7.52x51 but not vice verse . . . and weren't convinced otherwise when I pointed out that 7.62x51 is 12mm longer. Oh well, those were the same guys who thought I was "smart" because I used the poles of the GP Medium as a lever to get the canvas into the deuce and a half.




I heard the same thing back in the 60's and 70's from some vets. Something about "they can shoot
our ammo, but we can't shoot their's."
I could'nt get the details then and still can't figure it out.
yekimak  [Team Member]
5/6/2006 1:41:13 AM
GenghisKhan  [Team Member]
5/7/2006 3:07:06 AM
BiggerStick47  [Team Member]
5/7/2006 12:52:05 PM

Originally Posted By GenghisKhan:



anyirons  [Member]
5/7/2006 6:57:23 PM

Originally Posted By RELOADER-BOB:

Originally Posted By Essayons:
This reminds me of all the guys I served with in the Army who thought the 7.62x39 AK would shoot 7.52x51 but not vice verse . . . and weren't convinced otherwise when I pointed out that 7.62x51 is 12mm longer. Oh well, those were the same guys who thought I was "smart" because I used the poles of the GP Medium as a lever to get the canvas into the deuce and a half.




I heard the same thing back in the 60's and 70's from some vets. Something about "they can shoot
our ammo, but we can't shoot their's."
I could'nt get the details then and still can't figure it out.



I heard that to from vets in the '70's but they were talking projectiles not cartridges.
7.62 nato = .308 dia. bullets
7.62x39 = .311 dia. bullets
You could shoot .308 bullets in a .311 bore but I would not shoot .311's in a .308 bore!
misc  [Member]
5/9/2006 6:00:56 PM
He may have gotten chocked out one too many times!
misc
garr  [Team Member]
5/9/2006 6:25:44 PM
Can you say "KABOOM"
TonyRumore  [Member]
5/13/2006 4:50:51 AM
You can actually fire a .223 in a 7.62x39 gun. The case is a just a bit long, so you have to drop the bolt on it a couple of times to get it to close. It will fire, bulge/crack the case and fail to extract. But, yes, you can fire it.

AROKIE  [Team Member]
5/13/2006 5:09:56 AM
Is this a troll? I hope this is a joke right?
MRW  [Moderator]
5/13/2006 10:26:28 AM
you "can" shoot yourself in the foot too, but it's not recommended.
bjjbrawler  [Member]
5/13/2006 3:20:56 PM

Originally Posted By AROKIE:
Is this a troll? I hope this is a joke right?



No, I am not a "troll". I am just getting into firearms, and I do not know a whole lot about bullet construction. I wasnt sure of the 51 length, versus the 39.

Why are so many members here so quick to point fingers and accuse? I havent been a member of this forum for very long, but a lot of members are extremely hostile.

AROKIE, we're all not experts like yourself.
RaynoEleven  [Team Member]
5/13/2006 3:39:37 PM

Originally Posted By bjjbrawler:

Originally Posted By AROKIE:
Is this a troll? I hope this is a joke right?



No, I am not a "troll". I am just getting into firearms, and I do not know a whole lot about bullet construction. I wasnt sure of the 51 length, versus the 39.

Why are so many members here so quick to point fingers and accuse? I havent been a member of this forum for very long, but a lot of members are extremely hostile.

AROKIE, we're all not experts like yourself.




All kidding aside, if you are not some kind of troll, DO NOT shoot anything other than the correct caliber ammunition in ANY firearm. There are a few exceptions, but they are very few and far between.

First off, a .308 (7.62x51) would not chamber in a 7.62x39. so any attempt to fire it will simply not work. If by some miracle you got one in there and touched it off, you would kaboom you gun to shit, probably make a trip to the emergency room to boot.

Not everyone here is an expert, but it is kinda assumed that you have some basic firearms knowledge. That's why some of the members here will jump hard on posts like this. Spend a little time here reading and you can learn a lot. Don't take it too personally if someone flames you here, it is the internet. There is a huge amount of very good info here.
bjjbrawler  [Member]
5/13/2006 5:04:23 PM
OK, honestly, I meant to ask if my .308 VEPR can handle 7.62x51. I understand the concept of higher chamber pressures. But I picked up some surplus 7.62x51, and was unsure of the origin, or safety. The box only had 7.62 printed on it. I don't have any other rounds to compare this to (I usually shoot my AR .223), so I mistakenly assumed that it was x39.

At the range, I ran out of my Remington .308, and was going to shoot this stuff, but thought it wasnt a good idea. Why would VEPR's come in both .308 and 7.62x51, if both are interchangeable?





BiggerStick47  [Team Member]
5/13/2006 6:37:25 PM
Yes, you can safely shoot mil. 7.62x51 in your .308 Vepr. I have never seen a Vepr stamped "7.62x51". I have only seen ".308".

As far as the Troll comments, there are alot of people who sign up for an "extra" account (read Troll) and post rediculous threads like "Can I safely hump a Jack-alope if I'm wearing a clown suit?" just to draw reactions from other members.

Your post sounded rediculous at first (7.62x39) but now makes perfect sense (since you changed it to 7.62x51).
MuRDoC  [Team Member]
5/13/2006 6:43:53 PM
7.62x51 is lower pressure than 308, you'll have no problems


edited to add: I shoot SA ammo in my FAL, not any '79 but '80 stuff, it should be good tho but remember it's not match ammo
MRW  [Moderator]
5/13/2006 10:57:26 PM
7.62x51 is fine in 308. In fact the Vepr is most certainly chambered in 7.62x51 rather than 308. All AKs that I'm aware of are manufactured in military plants and have military chamberings. They are "sporterized" with different furniture, but the action is a military chambering. So the 223 AKs are all actually 5.56. It is my hunch that they are labeled "223" and "308" as a weak bluff to avoid the ATF getting their panties in a wad over importing "military" rifles.

In fact, all I have ever shot through my 308 Vepr is surplus 7.62x51 ball, and it shoots like a dream.
762bodydropper  [Team Member]
5/14/2006 11:35:41 AM
WOW makes perfect sense now...I was like "What a freaking moron, This guy HAS to be a troll" But to answer your question...yeah man you cool interchanging the ammo...
bjjbrawler  [Member]
5/14/2006 12:11:14 PM
Thanks guys.

Does anyone know the origins of this ammo pictured above? Just curious. An AK guru I ran into at the range said he never saw it before.
BiggerStick47  [Team Member]
5/14/2006 1:50:02 PM

Originally Posted By bjjbrawler:
Thanks guys.

Does anyone know the origins of this ammo pictured above? Just curious. An AK guru I ran into at the range said he never saw it before.



It's Pakistani.
Delta068  [Member]
5/23/2006 3:12:46 PM

I heard the same thing back in the 60's and 70's from some vets. Something about "they can shoot
our ammo, but we can't shoot their's."
I could'nt get the details then and still can't figure it out.




I don't think that had to do with 7.62, I think that had to do with the .223 AKs they had. Our ammo would cycle in theirs but something about theirs would made it jam up in the M16s and CAR15s.


1IV  [Team Member]
5/23/2006 3:21:16 PM
Hell, buy a chamber insert and give it a try