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 Could someone help me out with this saiga conversion question
backwoodsdrifter  [Member]
11/22/2011 12:30:21 AM
http://www.dsarms.com/Bulgarian-AKS-74-Folding-Stock-Assembly––-AKBFS/productinfo/AKBFS/

If i buy this stock for my saiga 545 will this work and is it all i need, thanks very much
imarangemaster  [Team Member]
11/22/2011 2:48:03 AM
In a word YES. It will give you a longer length of pull than a true folder, because they add a pice to mount to the regular tang.
BillofRights  [Team Member]
11/22/2011 4:44:19 AM
Yes, assuming that you do the rest of the conversion. They are ugly as hell though, so make sure you are happy with the look before you buy it.
Matthew_Q  [Team Member]
11/22/2011 7:17:17 AM
An alternative would be the ACE stock with the folding mechanism and the block adapter that uses the empty trigger pin holes to mount.

I just got the above stuff from Mississippi Auto Arms. Came out to about $150 or so.
BillofRights  [Team Member]
11/22/2011 3:08:09 PM
The Ace stock is much nicer, plus it counts as US made parts. The best looking and most functional setup is the Ace block which requires you to cut of the tang of the rear trunnion. I can never bring myself to do it though.
nictra  [Team Member]
11/22/2011 11:53:34 PM

Originally Posted By BillofRights:
The Ace stock is much nicer, plus it counts as US made parts. The best looking and most functional setup is the Ace block which requires you to cut of the tang of the rear trunnion. I can never bring myself to do it though.

find a cheap enough AK and you will do anything

case in point:




backwoodsdrifter  [Member]
11/24/2011 1:24:54 AM
If go with the ace stock,with the folding block do i still need a internal stock adapter
Matthew_Q  [Team Member]
11/24/2011 12:28:51 PM
Originally Posted By backwoodsdrifter:
If go with the ace stock,with the folding block do i still need a internal stock adapter


Yes. Sucks that it's about $40 on top of everything else, but it works nicely.

Here's my conversion that I did yesterday:



It works great! The only parts I was bummed about was that you can't put the BHO back in, and the Tapco nut for the pistol grip needs to be ground down on the sides to fit between the tangs of the stock adapter. It does use the holes from the sporter trigger and connector, so it kinda cleans itself up.

It's very solid when locked into place, and the cheek weld is almost a little too high for using the irons. I plan on getting some manner of red dot using the optic rail built in later on anyway, so it works out.
backwoodsdrifter  [Member]
11/24/2011 8:25:33 PM
thanks bro that was the only thing stopping my order, well im placing my order now thanks for the help guys
JoshAston  [Life Member]
11/24/2011 11:03:18 PM
Don't get the ACE internal stock adapter. It doesn't work without modification on the Saiga. The MSA works properly and has holes drilled and tapped in the side so that you can use the old FCG pin holes to further secure the block. I've had bad luck ordering parts through MSA, but Missippi Auto Arms and Carolina Shooters Supply both carry the part, and they're both good to go.
thirtycal  [Member]
11/26/2011 3:46:27 PM
Originally Posted By nictra:


find a cheap enough AK and you will do anything

case in point:

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b232/NICTRA/74%20UF/2011-10-12225125.jpg




And another case in point:



-Thirtycal

nictra  [Team Member]
11/26/2011 6:19:03 PM

Originally Posted By thirtycal:
Originally Posted By nictra:


find a cheap enough AK and you will do anything

case in point:

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b232/NICTRA/74%20UF/2011-10-12225125.jpg




And another case in point:

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x21/clutterbugg/dior.jpg

-Thirtycal



Den40  [Member]
11/27/2011 10:12:46 PM
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Don't get the ACE internal stock adapter. It doesn't work without modification on the Saiga. The MSA works properly and has holes drilled and tapped in the side so that you can use the old FCG pin holes to further secure the block. I've had bad luck ordering parts through MSA, but Missippi Auto Arms and Carolina Shooters Supply both carry the part, and they're both good to go.


What kind of modification does an Ace internal block receiver require? I think they work better than the blocks drilled on the side. Not only they use the pistol grip screw, which I believe is sturdier than the side holes, but you can weld shut the holes since they won't be used.

If my logic is wrong, please let me know. I'm trying to decide on which block receiver to buy.
JoshAston  [Life Member]
11/28/2011 12:48:11 AM
Originally Posted By Den40:
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Don't get the ACE internal stock adapter. It doesn't work without modification on the Saiga. The MSA works properly and has holes drilled and tapped in the side so that you can use the old FCG pin holes to further secure the block. I've had bad luck ordering parts through MSA, but Missippi Auto Arms and Carolina Shooters Supply both carry the part, and they're both good to go.


What kind of modification does an Ace internal block receiver require? I think they work better than the blocks drilled on the side. Not only they use the pistol grip screw, which I believe is sturdier than the side holes, but you can weld shut the holes since they won't be used.

If my logic is wrong, please let me know. I'm trying to decide on which block receiver to buy.


You have to recess a spot on the bottom for the trigger guard screw head to clear and remove some material on top of the 2 arms where it is hitting.
Killjoy321  [Member]
11/28/2011 5:12:57 PM
Originally Posted By thirtycal:
And another case in point:

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x21/clutterbugg/dior.jpg

-Thirtycal



My eyes they burn
Matthew_Q  [Team Member]
11/29/2011 1:24:58 AM
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By Den40:
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Don't get the ACE internal stock adapter. It doesn't work without modification on the Saiga. The MSA works properly and has holes drilled and tapped in the side so that you can use the old FCG pin holes to further secure the block. I've had bad luck ordering parts through MSA, but Missippi Auto Arms and Carolina Shooters Supply both carry the part, and they're both good to go.


What kind of modification does an Ace internal block receiver require? I think they work better than the blocks drilled on the side. Not only they use the pistol grip screw, which I believe is sturdier than the side holes, but you can weld shut the holes since they won't be used.

If my logic is wrong, please let me know. I'm trying to decide on which block receiver to buy.


You have to recess a spot on the bottom for the trigger guard screw head to clear and remove some material on top of the 2 arms where it is hitting.



I used the adaptor block from Mississippi Auto Arms (don't know if they make it or what, they say it's theirs). I didn't have to modify the block at all. The tang on the rear trunnion has to be cut off and ground flat, and the tapco pistol grip nut needed to be shaved down on the sides to fit between the 'rails' that go forward and screw in through the original trigger pin holes. Nothing interfered with the screw holding the rear of the trigger guard. The way it works out is that the adaptor block is screwed in at the top of the rear trunnion, through the four holes on the sides and then the PG nut also adds support. It's a pretty solid feel.