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Arsenal AK's: all hype
11/16/2011 12:31:46 AM
As a firearms enthusiast, I have always been impressed with the AK-47 platform. But as with many others, my other firearms interests have led me to look into and to collect other firearms and have fun shooting them. I love AR-15's; but have never been to be what I consider to be so foolish as to be an AK hater. I love both platforms and I consider anyone to argue that one platform is "better" than the other to be both childish and foolish. However, I have always had a desire to own what I consider to be one of the most influential and significant firearms in the world. So recently I decided it was time: I would be the proud owner of a legend. With free-time being at a premium, however, I did not want to spend hour upon hour researching into what was the "best" and only wished to own a quality firearm, with price being a distant second criteria to quality. Reading several reviews online and researching Walker English's comments on some review videos, I bit the bait and ordered a brand new SGL21-72: (from K-Var's website):
SGL21 (Saiga) - Plum color Stockset Russian made stamped receiver, 7.62x39 caliber, chrome lined hammer forged barrel, front sight block with bayonet lug and 24x1.5 right-hand threads, muzzle brake, standard mil-spec. handguards with stainless steel heat shield and NATO length buttstock, 1000 meter rear sight leaf, scope rail, accessory lug. Comes with 5rd. magazine!
Accepts any standard AK-47 Double Stack Mil. Spec. Magazine.
Yes, I know that the plum color in 7.62 with a NATO length stock is nothing close to a pure reproduction of an original AK, but, whatever, I wanted a few items to customize my AK to what suits me.
What I received is nothing less than a joke.
First off the plastic is lightweight and cheap. Not a deal-breaker by any means, but more what I would associate with with a toy.
Second is the internals. The bolt and carrier group are not anything close to a real AK-47. They are, in fact from an AK-74. So nothing inside the Arsenal AK-47 is actually an original AK-47 part, even though they advertise it as being "MIL-Spec AK-47" parts.
Next and most importantly is the barrel. I would not fit a rimfire .22 with such a thin barrel. That is no BS, both my rimfire .22's have a thicker barrel than the 30 caliber Aresenal. This is a joke IMHO. My Ruger SR 556 has a barrel that is significantly thicker than the arsenal. In fact, I have an early 90's model Ruger Mini-14, which is notorious for high MOA groups, that has a thicker barrel! This is why, in my opinion, when Nutnfancy bolted on a Midwest Industries rail on his Arsenal Ak's he couldn't hit anything! I have never in my life seen such a thin barrel on a .30 cal weapon, and would not even consider this barrel to be viable for a 5.45, although that is obviously what Arsenal did: they bored out a 5.45 barrel to .30 and are selling it as an "American-made chrome-lined barrel".............
Needless to say I am not a happy camper. My work schedule has made it so that I cannot contact Arsenal directly, but as soon as possible I will be calling them. This is BS and I want my money back.
SGL21 (Saiga) - Plum color Stockset Russian made stamped receiver, 7.62x39 caliber, chrome lined hammer forged barrel, front sight block with bayonet lug and 24x1.5 right-hand threads, muzzle brake, standard mil-spec. handguards with stainless steel heat shield and NATO length buttstock, 1000 meter rear sight leaf, scope rail, accessory lug. Comes with 5rd. magazine!
Accepts any standard AK-47 Double Stack Mil. Spec. Magazine.
Yes, I know that the plum color in 7.62 with a NATO length stock is nothing close to a pure reproduction of an original AK, but, whatever, I wanted a few items to customize my AK to what suits me.
What I received is nothing less than a joke.
First off the plastic is lightweight and cheap. Not a deal-breaker by any means, but more what I would associate with with a toy.
Second is the internals. The bolt and carrier group are not anything close to a real AK-47. They are, in fact from an AK-74. So nothing inside the Arsenal AK-47 is actually an original AK-47 part, even though they advertise it as being "MIL-Spec AK-47" parts.
Next and most importantly is the barrel. I would not fit a rimfire .22 with such a thin barrel. That is no BS, both my rimfire .22's have a thicker barrel than the 30 caliber Aresenal. This is a joke IMHO. My Ruger SR 556 has a barrel that is significantly thicker than the arsenal. In fact, I have an early 90's model Ruger Mini-14, which is notorious for high MOA groups, that has a thicker barrel! This is why, in my opinion, when Nutnfancy bolted on a Midwest Industries rail on his Arsenal Ak's he couldn't hit anything! I have never in my life seen such a thin barrel on a .30 cal weapon, and would not even consider this barrel to be viable for a 5.45, although that is obviously what Arsenal did: they bored out a 5.45 barrel to .30 and are selling it as an "American-made chrome-lined barrel".............
Needless to say I am not a happy camper. My work schedule has made it so that I cannot contact Arsenal directly, but as soon as possible I will be calling them. This is BS and I want my money back.
11/16/2011 12:44:17 AM
No pics.....
11/16/2011 12:48:35 AM
I'll gladly send some pics tomorrow, in fact to be fair I'll be busting out my calipers and getting exact measurements. But suffice to say by eyeballing it my new Aresenal has the thinnest barrel I have ever seen.
11/16/2011 1:03:07 AM
Barrel, carrier and bolt are made to Russian Military specifications, it's how they are made now. About the best barrels for an AK you can get. No reason to contact Arsenal, that's how they are made. The Kvar stock set is pretty much how the Russian military stock set is made. I have a real Russian plum set, feels the same as a the Kvar set. Light weight plastic, but very strong.
11/16/2011 1:13:46 AM
I have no doubt they are made to Russian Military spec's, however, they are not 7.62x39 specs. They are in fact from a 5.45. The barrel issue, however, is what I feel is the deal-breaker. And I apoligize for not having the exact measurements in front of me at this time, but I want to be specific once I have the calipers and photo's available......Be assured tho, grab any .22 and compare it to an Arsenal......it will have a thicker barrel
11/16/2011 1:18:14 AM
Originally Posted By zarono:
As a firearms enthusiast, I have always been impressed with the AK-47 platform. But as with many others, my other firearms interests have led me to look into and to collect other firearms and have fun shooting them. I love AR-15's; but have never been to be what I consider to be so foolish as to be an AK hater. I love both platforms and I consider anyone to argue that one platform is "better" than the other to be both childish and foolish. However, I have always had a desire to own what I consider to be one of the most influential and significant firearms in the world. So recently I decided it was time: I would be the proud owner of a legend. With free-time being at a premium, however, I did not want to spend hour upon hour researching into what was the "best" and only wished to own a quality firearm, with price being a distant second criteria to quality. Reading several reviews online and researching Walker English's comments on some review videos, I bit the bait and ordered a brand new SGL21-72: (from K-Var's website):
SGL21 (Saiga) - Plum color Stockset Russian made stamped receiver, 7.62x39 caliber, chrome lined hammer forged barrel, front sight block with bayonet lug and 24x1.5 right-hand threads, muzzle brake, standard mil-spec. handguards with stainless steel heat shield and NATO length buttstock, 1000 meter rear sight leaf, scope rail, accessory lug. Comes with 5rd. magazine!
Accepts any standard AK-47 Double Stack Mil. Spec. Magazine.
Yes, I know that the plum color in 7.62 with a NATO length stock is nothing close to a pure reproduction of an original AK, but, whatever, I wanted a few items to customize my AK to what suits me.
What I received is nothing less than a joke.
First off the plastic is lightweight and cheap. Not a deal-breaker by any means, but more what I would associate with with a toy.
Must be US-made polymer. I've handled original Bulgarian plum plastic and it's nowhere near cheap feeling. APEX has original Bulgarian plum polymer for $45.
Second is the internals. The bolt and carrier group are not anything close to a real AK-47. They are, in fact from an AK-74. So nothing inside the Arsenal AK-47 is actually an original AK-47 part, even though they advertise it as being "MIL-Spec AK-47" parts.
Arsenal use Saiga rifles as basis for their SGL series. The Saigas are current-production Russian-made guns, made alongside the AK-74 and AK-100 rifles in Izmash. Because they are based on the AK-100 rifles, they use AK-74 pattern carriers, it's been that way for awhile, and that's just how it is. No, it's not an original AK-47 part. Russia has not made an original AK-47 part since 1959. But guess what? The world over calls 7.62x39mm Kalashnikovs AK-47s. This site itself collectively groups all Kalshnikovs as AK-47s. It's a marketing tactic, and one that in spirit is very accurate. These guns are Russian military-spec except for the lack of an auto sear and a full-auto position on the safety. <Personal attack removed~MRW>
Next and most importantly is the barrel. I would not fit a rimfire .22 with such a thin barrel. That is no BS, both my rimfire .22's have a thicker barrel than the 30 caliber Aresenal. This is a joke IMHO. My Ruger SR 556 has a barrel that is significantly thicker than the arsenal. In fact, I have an early 90's model Ruger Mini-14, which is notorious for high MOA groups, that has a thicker barrel! This is why, in my opinion, when Nutnfancy bolted on a Midwest Industries rail on his Arsenal Ak's he couldn't hit anything! I have never in my life seen such a thin barrel on a .30 cal weapon, and would not even consider this barrel to be viable for a 5.45, although that is obviously what Arsenal did: they bored out a 5.45 barrel to .30 and are selling it as an "American-made chrome-lined barrel".............
Get out, please. Your last paragraph could be construed as forgivable naivete. This is simple idiocy. Guess what? That's how AKM/AK-100 barrels are. They are very thin because they are not match-grade. Your Ruger SR-556 is an AR-15, which is completely different in design philosophy and engineering. Also, from what I read, the Ruger Mini-14 was so terrible in accuracy because Ruger had poor QC with their barrels. Why did Nutnfancy have issues when he bolted the MI rail to his AK? I don't know. It could have been a fluke, or perhaps he over-tightened the screws. He prides and preens on his independence from the forums, the downside is that his 'data point' is the only one he sees. It's a very popular rail for the AK. The Ultimak mounts similarly and has been the most popular way to put a red-dot on an AK. I repeat again, The barrels on Arsenal SGL rifles are original, cold-hammer-forged chromoly steel, chrome-lined pieces made on the same machines that make barrels for AK-74s and AK-100 rifles. That is just how they are. Arsenal does not 'bore out 5.45 barrels'. What a ridiculous idea.
Needless to say I am not a happy camper. My work schedule has made it so that I cannot contact Arsenal directly, but as soon as possible I will be calling them. This is BS and I want my money back.
Well good for you. You have made not a single legitimate complaint about the gun and are going to blame them for your buyers remorse.
As a firearms enthusiast, I have always been impressed with the AK-47 platform. But as with many others, my other firearms interests have led me to look into and to collect other firearms and have fun shooting them. I love AR-15's; but have never been to be what I consider to be so foolish as to be an AK hater. I love both platforms and I consider anyone to argue that one platform is "better" than the other to be both childish and foolish. However, I have always had a desire to own what I consider to be one of the most influential and significant firearms in the world. So recently I decided it was time: I would be the proud owner of a legend. With free-time being at a premium, however, I did not want to spend hour upon hour researching into what was the "best" and only wished to own a quality firearm, with price being a distant second criteria to quality. Reading several reviews online and researching Walker English's comments on some review videos, I bit the bait and ordered a brand new SGL21-72: (from K-Var's website):
SGL21 (Saiga) - Plum color Stockset Russian made stamped receiver, 7.62x39 caliber, chrome lined hammer forged barrel, front sight block with bayonet lug and 24x1.5 right-hand threads, muzzle brake, standard mil-spec. handguards with stainless steel heat shield and NATO length buttstock, 1000 meter rear sight leaf, scope rail, accessory lug. Comes with 5rd. magazine!
Accepts any standard AK-47 Double Stack Mil. Spec. Magazine.
Yes, I know that the plum color in 7.62 with a NATO length stock is nothing close to a pure reproduction of an original AK, but, whatever, I wanted a few items to customize my AK to what suits me.
What I received is nothing less than a joke.
First off the plastic is lightweight and cheap. Not a deal-breaker by any means, but more what I would associate with with a toy.
Must be US-made polymer. I've handled original Bulgarian plum plastic and it's nowhere near cheap feeling. APEX has original Bulgarian plum polymer for $45.
Second is the internals. The bolt and carrier group are not anything close to a real AK-47. They are, in fact from an AK-74. So nothing inside the Arsenal AK-47 is actually an original AK-47 part, even though they advertise it as being "MIL-Spec AK-47" parts.
Arsenal use Saiga rifles as basis for their SGL series. The Saigas are current-production Russian-made guns, made alongside the AK-74 and AK-100 rifles in Izmash. Because they are based on the AK-100 rifles, they use AK-74 pattern carriers, it's been that way for awhile, and that's just how it is. No, it's not an original AK-47 part. Russia has not made an original AK-47 part since 1959. But guess what? The world over calls 7.62x39mm Kalashnikovs AK-47s. This site itself collectively groups all Kalshnikovs as AK-47s. It's a marketing tactic, and one that in spirit is very accurate. These guns are Russian military-spec except for the lack of an auto sear and a full-auto position on the safety. <Personal attack removed~MRW>
Next and most importantly is the barrel. I would not fit a rimfire .22 with such a thin barrel. That is no BS, both my rimfire .22's have a thicker barrel than the 30 caliber Aresenal. This is a joke IMHO. My Ruger SR 556 has a barrel that is significantly thicker than the arsenal. In fact, I have an early 90's model Ruger Mini-14, which is notorious for high MOA groups, that has a thicker barrel! This is why, in my opinion, when Nutnfancy bolted on a Midwest Industries rail on his Arsenal Ak's he couldn't hit anything! I have never in my life seen such a thin barrel on a .30 cal weapon, and would not even consider this barrel to be viable for a 5.45, although that is obviously what Arsenal did: they bored out a 5.45 barrel to .30 and are selling it as an "American-made chrome-lined barrel".............
Get out, please. Your last paragraph could be construed as forgivable naivete. This is simple idiocy. Guess what? That's how AKM/AK-100 barrels are. They are very thin because they are not match-grade. Your Ruger SR-556 is an AR-15, which is completely different in design philosophy and engineering. Also, from what I read, the Ruger Mini-14 was so terrible in accuracy because Ruger had poor QC with their barrels. Why did Nutnfancy have issues when he bolted the MI rail to his AK? I don't know. It could have been a fluke, or perhaps he over-tightened the screws. He prides and preens on his independence from the forums, the downside is that his 'data point' is the only one he sees. It's a very popular rail for the AK. The Ultimak mounts similarly and has been the most popular way to put a red-dot on an AK. I repeat again, The barrels on Arsenal SGL rifles are original, cold-hammer-forged chromoly steel, chrome-lined pieces made on the same machines that make barrels for AK-74s and AK-100 rifles. That is just how they are. Arsenal does not 'bore out 5.45 barrels'. What a ridiculous idea.
Needless to say I am not a happy camper. My work schedule has made it so that I cannot contact Arsenal directly, but as soon as possible I will be calling them. This is BS and I want my money back.
Well good for you. You have made not a single legitimate complaint about the gun and are going to blame them for your buyers remorse.
edited~MRW
11/16/2011 1:20:01 AM
Do a Google search for AK-103. Modern "AK47". Return it and get a WASR if you want a traditional "AK47". But honsestly you can get much better than the SGL21.
11/16/2011 1:23:22 AM
I call 
on this one. First post??
on this one. First post??11/16/2011 1:44:22 AM
get out? LOL keep drinkin the Kool-aid! Regardless of an outside stats, my SGL has the thinnest barrel of any rifle I own if thin barrels are the answer to small MOA groups i';d be the first to sign up....
11/16/2011 1:52:22 AM
Quite possibly the most ill-informed rant I have read this year.
11/16/2011 2:20:50 AM
Originally Posted By zarono:
get out? LOL keep drinkin the Kool-aid! Regardless of an outside stats, my SGL has the thinnest barrel of any rifle I own if thin barrels are the answer to small MOA groups i';d be the first to sign up....
get out? LOL keep drinkin the Kool-aid! Regardless of an outside stats, my SGL has the thinnest barrel of any rifle I own if thin barrels are the answer to small MOA groups i';d be the first to sign up....
There is no Kool-Aid. I don't expect AR-15 accuracy from an AK. You forget that the 7.62-S AK was designed, and is still intended, to be able to his the chest of an enemy soldier from about 300 yards away. That's what the Russian Military expected of it, it's what the Romanians expected of their Md.63, it's what the Hungarians expected from the SA-85, and vice versa. You yourself said you didn't do any research beforehand about AKs except which was 'the best brand'. You bought a rifle second only to one other Marque in the world. It will shot 2" groups at 100yds with good ammo, and up to 6" groups with crap ammo. It will digest the shittiest ammunition you can find, and will probably outlast a Noveske AR-15 (with the same use regimen). Stop complaining. You made your bed, sleep in it or fix it, don't bitch about problems that don't exist.
You do seem to have knowledge about AKs though. How could you tell the difference between a AK-47 bolt assembly and a AK-74 bolt assembly?
11/16/2011 3:09:26 AM
All this complaining and you haven't even shot it yet. <personal attack removed~MRW>
11/16/2011 3:59:53 AM
<personal attack removed~MRW> Save for the RPK and a few other rarer variants, just about every AK pattern rifle sports a light profile barrel.
You are expecting a match rifle, which an AK is not. Never has been, never will be. It's made to bring rifle firepower into submachine gun weight and handiness at submachine gun distances.
You are expecting a match rifle, which an AK is not. Never has been, never will be. It's made to bring rifle firepower into submachine gun weight and handiness at submachine gun distances.
11/16/2011 4:32:15 AM
A little education would go a long way here.
11/16/2011 4:56:06 AM
Originally Posted By jtberry1:
A little education would go a long way here.
A little education would go a long way here.
Nah... MUCH better to join one of (if not THE) biggest firearms website in the world, and use your very first post on an OUTLANDISHLY stupid rant about something you obviously have no clue about.
I would LOVE to see the look on the face of the person who answers the phone at Arsenal when the OP calls and accuses them of boring out a 5.45 barrel to accept 7.62
11/16/2011 5:46:45 AM
Side by side next to a cheap WASR my new Arsenal has a thinner barrel and different internals. Why does it bother you so much to face the facts?
11/16/2011 5:50:25 AM
Originally Posted By sdrake100:
All this complaining and you haven't even shot it yet. You obviously don't know anything about AK's.
All this complaining and you haven't even shot it yet. You obviously don't know anything about AK's.
I never implied that I am an expert on AK's. And I'm sure this will shoot fine. However I believe that Arsenal is deliberately misleading customers.
11/16/2011 5:56:22 AM
Originally Posted By madmedic:
Nah... MUCH better to join one of (if not THE) biggest firearms website in the world, and use your very first post on an OUTLANDISHLY stupid rant about something you obviously have no clue about.
I would LOVE to see the look on the face of the person who answers the phone at Arsenal when the OP calls and accuses them of boring out a 5.45 barrel to accept 7.62
Originally Posted By jtberry1:
A little education would go a long way here.
A little education would go a long way here.
Nah... MUCH better to join one of (if not THE) biggest firearms website in the world, and use your very first post on an OUTLANDISHLY stupid rant about something you obviously have no clue about.
I would LOVE to see the look on the face of the person who answers the phone at Arsenal when the OP calls and accuses them of boring out a 5.45 barrel to accept 7.62
So where else did they find this spaghetti-strand of a barrel? Sorry but up against a real 7.62 this barrel is skinny. A WASR barrel is thicker. The Aresenal barrel is almost the same diameter as an AK-74 5.45. <personal attack removed~MRW>
11/16/2011 6:03:29 AM
Originally Posted By nightshade1:
There is no Kool-Aid. I don't expect AR-15 accuracy from an AK. You forget that the 7.62-S AK was designed, and is still intended, to be able to his the chest of an enemy soldier from about 300 yards away. That's what the Russian Military expected of it, it's what the Romanians expected of their Md.63, it's what the Hungarians expected from the SA-85, and vice versa. You yourself said you didn't do any research beforehand about AKs except which was 'the best brand'. You bought a rifle second only to one other Marque in the world. It will shot 2" groups at 100yds with good ammo, and up to 6" groups with crap ammo. It will digest the shittiest ammunition you can find, and will probably outlast a Noveske AR-15 (with the same use regimen). Stop complaining. You made your bed, sleep in it or fix it, don't bitch about problems that don't exist.
You do seem to have knowledge about AKs though. How could you tell the difference between a AK-47 bolt assembly and a AK-74 bolt assembly?
Originally Posted By zarono:
get out? LOL keep drinkin the Kool-aid! Regardless of an outside stats, my SGL has the thinnest barrel of any rifle I own if thin barrels are the answer to small MOA groups i';d be the first to sign up....
get out? LOL keep drinkin the Kool-aid! Regardless of an outside stats, my SGL has the thinnest barrel of any rifle I own if thin barrels are the answer to small MOA groups i';d be the first to sign up....
There is no Kool-Aid. I don't expect AR-15 accuracy from an AK. You forget that the 7.62-S AK was designed, and is still intended, to be able to his the chest of an enemy soldier from about 300 yards away. That's what the Russian Military expected of it, it's what the Romanians expected of their Md.63, it's what the Hungarians expected from the SA-85, and vice versa. You yourself said you didn't do any research beforehand about AKs except which was 'the best brand'. You bought a rifle second only to one other Marque in the world. It will shot 2" groups at 100yds with good ammo, and up to 6" groups with crap ammo. It will digest the shittiest ammunition you can find, and will probably outlast a Noveske AR-15 (with the same use regimen). Stop complaining. You made your bed, sleep in it or fix it, don't bitch about problems that don't exist.
You do seem to have knowledge about AKs though. How could you tell the difference between a AK-47 bolt assembly and a AK-74 bolt assembly?
So why doesn't Noveske throw a thin barrel on their weapons and call them "the best" and be done with it? Sorry, but that is a lame assed excuse and you know it. I will bitch about problems that do exist.
11/16/2011 6:14:24 AM
So true to form, this has degenerated into a typical rant about how "great" a gun is and how dare someone not love it.
The facts are that the Arsenal is NOT a standard AK, and has a thinner barrel and different internals. In fact it is closer to an AK-74 than an AK-47, and shares many of its parts (if not all) with it. Why that bothers some people is beyond me. Guess it is hard for some to face real facts when they are blinded by brand loyalty.
The facts are that the Arsenal is NOT a standard AK, and has a thinner barrel and different internals. In fact it is closer to an AK-74 than an AK-47, and shares many of its parts (if not all) with it. Why that bothers some people is beyond me. Guess it is hard for some to face real facts when they are blinded by brand loyalty.
11/16/2011 6:57:00 AM
Even before shooting my spaghetti-barreled AK, I have a direct metric from Nutnfancy; ie he couldn't attach a MWI for-end without sacrificing accuracy. That to me speaks volumes and more than any of <personal attack removed~MRW>can attest. I'll be sending mass quantities of 7.62 downrange, <personal attack removed~MRW>
11/16/2011 7:52:43 AM
Originally Posted By zarono:
Even before shooting my spaghetti-barreled AK, I have a direct metric from Nutnfancy; ie he couldn't attach a MWI for-end without sacrificing accuracy. That to me speaks volumes and more than any of the I'll be sending mass quantities of 7.62 downrange,
Even before shooting my spaghetti-barreled AK, I have a direct metric from Nutnfancy; ie he couldn't attach a MWI for-end without sacrificing accuracy. That to me speaks volumes and more than any of the I'll be sending mass quantities of 7.62 downrange,
Dude...
The only troll here is you - considering that about 95% of everything you ranted about in your first post is BS. Get your facts straight and then maybe people will take you more seriously.
If you don't like your rifle, the internals, the barrel thickness, etc, blame the Russian Government. Those barrels are exactly the same thickness as a real 7.62 AK-103 direct from the factory floor at Izhmash.
I'm not sure what exactly your issue is here?
11/16/2011 8:04:31 AM
Internals? Not Ak-47 standard..Like I said before, if <personal attack removed~MRW> you are proud of good for you; nonetheless no-one will be rockin such a .22
11/16/2011 8:22:04 AM
Wow, this thread makes my brain hurt. First off OP do some research, the SGL-21 is essentially a civilian version of the AK103 which is guess what essentially an AK74N but chambered in 7.62x39 The gun was built at Izhevsk using the same barrels as the AK103.
Also since the AK103 is essentially a 7.62x39 AK74 it would only make sense that it would utilize AK74 parts.
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Also since the AK103 is essentially a 7.62x39 AK74 it would only make sense that it would utilize AK74 parts.
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11/16/2011 8:25:06 AM
Originally Posted By Beamy:
Wow, this thread makes my brain hurt. First off OP do some research, the SGL-21 is essentially a civilian version of the AK103 which is guess what essentially an AK74N but chambered in 7.62x39 The gun was built at Izhevsk using the same barrels as the AK103.
Also since the AK103 is essentially a 7.62x39 AK74 it would only make sense that it would utilize AK74 parts.
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Wow, this thread makes my brain hurt. First off OP do some research, the SGL-21 is essentially a civilian version of the AK103 which is guess what essentially an AK74N but chambered in 7.62x39 The gun was built at Izhevsk using the same barrels as the AK103.
Also since the AK103 is essentially a 7.62x39 AK74 it would only make sense that it would utilize AK74 parts.
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If you haven't gotten it by now, this fool is nothing more than a troll grown off the low-hanging branches of 4chan. Do the right thing and use the report button.
11/16/2011 8:43:28 AM
Obvious troll is obviously a troll.
Arsenal rifles are generally the highest quality AK's available on the commercial market. I prefer their Bulgarian builds but my SGL is also a very nice rifle, especially for a factory Russian at the price point I paid a couple years back.
Arsenal rifles are generally the highest quality AK's available on the commercial market. I prefer their Bulgarian builds but my SGL is also a very nice rifle, especially for a factory Russian at the price point I paid a couple years back.
11/16/2011 9:14:30 AM
Originally Posted By zarono:
That's because it's not an AK-47. It's an AK-103 - part of the AK-100 series.
The SGL-21 and SGL-31 are 100 series AK clones.
11/16/2011 9:30:46 AM
Like others have said, its basically a member of the AK-100 family, which is based on the AK-74. The "74 internals really aren't something to bitch about, either. They're every bit as strong and reliable as the original '47, and are an improvement regarding certain minor issues.
AKs have thin barrels. They always have, & comparing them to Noveske is like comparing a Cadillac to a Chevette. So just drop that little argument. And they typically shoot 3-4 MOA, so don't go to the range expecting to shoot nice little groups.
AKs have thin barrels. They always have, & comparing them to Noveske is like comparing a Cadillac to a Chevette. So just drop that little argument. And they typically shoot 3-4 MOA, so don't go to the range expecting to shoot nice little groups.
11/16/2011 9:33:28 AM
11/16/2011 9:34:31 AM
Personal Attacks and Trolling Galore
