Need Help IDing this rifle.

I'm selling this for a friend and I'm not 100% certain of what exactly it is. It's stamped "Poly Tech, INC." on the receiver as well as MOD. AKS-762. On teh bottom it's stamped "imported by Keng's Firearm specialty atlanta, GA. It still has the bayonet lug, no "SP" stamp after the AKS-762. 85w precedes the serial number. I believe it's not a legend because the receiver is stamped and not milled. But for all the searching I've done I have found no information on a pre-ban Poly Tech with stamped receivers. I'm also looking for an idea of value. It is used and shows signs of wear, but still functions great.

That is a pre-89 import ban Chinese Polytech stamped AK.

I have one from a different import company.

Thanks! Granted, I don't know a lot about the varying flavors of AKs, but I was under the impression all pre bans were milled Legends? Any input on the value?

The only pre-89 Chinese milled AK was the Polytech Legend. There were lots of stamped prebans that came in. Polytechs and Norincos.

Value, depending on condition 1000 plus or minus a couple hundred. There is one on the EE right now.

Thanks again guys!!!! I'm feeling better and better about the asking price!!!

This is actually a very strange gun. I have never seen a pre89 Kengs imported AKS-762 that didn't have the spike front end. The other strange thing about this gun is that it has two different import stamps on it, Kengs on the reciever and RAI on the barrel. RAI imported a lot of the early Chinese AKs. To be honest this looks like a Kengs imported spiker that someone has swaped the barrel on it with one off an earlier gun. The only Poltech marked guns I have ever seen with that FSB on them were the early SILE imports and they were marked PTI for Poly Technologies Inc. I am by no means a Chinese expert so maybe Rayman,Joezetta , or Fourfourmag can chime in but I have never seen a Kengs marked gun in this configuration. I guess its possible Kengs could have bought out the last of the RAI guns and remarked them but I doubt that. Just my .2cents.

Is there any way to tell that it's had the barrel swapped? How much do you think that would affect the value?

In that condition in the original config w/the proper hg's and pig sticker it should command about $750-900. The way she sits now unless its truely a rare bird should command about $650-750 range, see how your auction goes, it may fetch more. I have never seen a Chicom AK w/two different types of importer markings, preban that is, I have seen this on post ban models. I would agree w/chawk that somewhere down the line someone may have swapped out the barrel for some reason but its hard to tell with chicom gear as there are so many variances.

Chawk, are you saying that if Kengs bought out RAI or at least their stock, that the receivers were blank where Kengs could then mark them as such, or are you saying they might of just bought a grab bag or parts etc and outfitted the last of their rifles in a last ditch effort to get them into the market? Weren't these imported at turn key deals, w/only the importer markings being added to an otherwise complete pkg?

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You must understand there's several Polytech variants that were quite uncommon. Polytech did make some AKS-762 marked models on stamped receivers that were without the underfolding spike bayonet. I actually have one like that. They did a lot of uncommon variants towards the end. It's not that it's in an unoriginal configuration, it's just uncommon. And there's no telling how it left the factory - the one photographed appears to have Norinco-style furniture. But that's not to say it wasn't put on at the factory.

It's difficult to say whether a barrel and/or the furniture was swapped out but there's been double import-marked pre-ban rifles.

I'd sell it for what it is - a Polytech-made pre-ban rifle with some interesting variations.

His rifle appears to have been made in Factory "416" weren't most Poly-Tech's imported by Kengs made in Factory "386"?

Peter3

The early Kengs imported guns were made in factory 416.

trigger happy

I know that there are some pre-ban poly's out there w/o the pig sticker you and I talked about this before and I believe you had a underfold model that was for sale local to you. I have seen a few of those pop up from time to time. I was talking about the multiple importation markings on one rifle.

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Ray/44 thanks for the input. I just think this is a strange rifle. I have never seen a Kengs marked/imported gun that wasnt a spiker. I have seen PTI marked SILE import guns that had the blade bayonet but never a Kengs. Its like the front half of an RAI gun on the back half of a Kengs, weird.

You guys rock!!! I appreciate all the input!! The more I find out the more tempted I am to just buy it from him and keep it myself!!

That is what I would do. But that is just me.

Just saw this , looks like everything has been discussed.....

I cannot say i recall seeing 2 importers on one AK like that.....


I have seen non pig sticker Polys - with the 416 indicating its a earlier import......

Perhaps its a transitional piece where around the time Kengs won the poly import rights.......

I would imagine the import marks are put on overseas before getting here...... So if thats true its possible the 416 was just using up old stock from a previous contract....


Also, if you think about it, back in the day these were pretty cheap.......Would have probably been worth it to buy another then to go through the trouble of swapping barrels...and then you think, well what happened to the RAI receiver ? ....plus the fact it would take a lot to " shoot out " a barrel with semi auto plinking....

i'll guess factory done....nothing surprises me with the chinese stuff..

p.s. i would try and clean up that finish a bit before pitting sets in......

Joezeta

For the price he's willing to give me I should. I just don't have the extra cash on hand. I do have an M70 I could unload though...

Couldn't let this one go. Decided to buy it for my personal collection. Thanks again for all the info guys!!!

And there you go. Good work.

I have also gotten info that factory one offs were not that uncommon, order a thousand, and 990 come in as ordered with ten from the research tool rooms.

I have a pre ban underfolder, bought early in the ban, so its been in my safe long enough to know its not a recently modified one, that appears to have East German plastic furniture on it, yet the seller claimed that was how it arrived. The weird thing is, that it was long before any of the German parts were available, let alone any of the parts kits you see now.

And, after researching a bit, the pattern of the grip, and its placement of the "Knurling" if you will, was not the same as the German Pattern.

One of the theories that an Importer and I came up with, was that the chinese may have been producing AKs for clandestine use, and they were making rifles that appeared German, to hide the ID of the true manufacturer, and that since the Semis bound for the US came from the same assembly lines, perhaps this knock off furniture got put on the wrong gun, and shipped into the US.

It is just a theory, but, it makes a good tale, and unless I can come up with the real one......

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