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 Value check please; ban-configured PolyT AKS762 Sporter added pics
mac1045  [Member]
12/4/2010 12:24:37 AM
Hello all,

Any ideas as to what an EXCELLENT cond, BAN CONFIGURED, stamped PolyTech AKS762 "Sporter" is worth?

I know it has "factory" Sile thumbhole stock with recoil pad and gorgeous blonde wood, at least one mag, cleaning rod, box, very little handling marks.

Will post pix if I get it.
TIA!

Edit;

Now that I own it, the pics... wonder why the box was shipped inside-out...













DaffyDuck  [Member]
12/4/2010 2:37:23 PM
Got pics? I would say in the $600 to $800 range
Rayman1  [Member]
12/4/2010 8:21:43 PM
I'd honestly say about $400 to $600.
mac1045  [Member]
12/5/2010 1:13:21 AM
Thanks all for the replies! I'd have never thought a Kengs PolyTech would have been worth so little...
ak47mays  [Team Member]
12/5/2010 1:17:11 AM
Originally Posted By mac1045:
Thanks all for the replies! I'd have never thought a Kengs PolyTech would have been worth so little...


just that crazy little "sporter" stamp and config (no bayo lug or cleaning rod holders) that makes it less sought after for compliance reasons.
N4KVE  [Member]
12/5/2010 2:01:56 AM
It's a MAK 90. Plain & simple. GARY N4KVE
mac1045  [Member]
12/5/2010 3:37:00 AM
No, its a 386 marked, Kengs marked, Polytech marked AKS-762 with the "SP" added after the S/N.

Nothing Norinco or MAK about this gun. Easily felt as haevy as my Yugo M70AB2.

It was likely a folder spiker, but may also now take the Type 1 bayo? Also has a tack-welded muzzle-nut and the full cleaning rod in place where you exect to find it.

I was stoked to have found it, and figured it would be worth debanning.
ak47mays  [Team Member]
12/5/2010 10:13:31 AM
if it has some of the features it's better to de-ban. you still have a top quality chicom rifle either way. just remember your compliance parts count when you de-ban it.
Rayman1  [Member]
12/5/2010 3:11:05 PM
Originally Posted By mac1045:
No, its a 386 marked, Kengs marked, Polytech marked AKS-762 with the "SP" added after the S/N.

Nothing Norinco or MAK about this gun. Easily felt as haevy as my Yugo M70AB2.

It was likely a folder spiker, but may also now take the Type 1 bayo? Also has a tack-welded muzzle-nut and the full cleaning rod in place where you exect to find it.

I was stoked to have found it, and figured it would be worth debanning.


Without a photo to show what's going on with it, the answers you get will be based on the common/usual neutered AKS-762 rifles we're familiar with.

If it was an underfolding spike bayonet model before and has been neutered, it's not taking any kind of bayonet anymore - no M1947 "First Model" (the Mauser-type spear point bayonet) or the Type I or Type II bayonets (the ones that reguire a bayonet lug under the gas block). Your rifle's bayonet accepting days are over, as it currently is. At least not without a drastic change by getting a new underfolding spike bayonet front sight base or getting a standard front sight base/gas block for whichever type of bayonet you want to facilitate on your rifle.

That might not be the news you want to hear about it but that's what is going on with it because of the neutering. It really doesn't matter what it was before. After that neutering, it's a MAK-90. The MAK-90's have several different looks due to there being several different pre-ban styles which all were neutered. It can be brought back to life but it requires a bit of a time commitment and money commitment on getting the right parts to make it happen.

mac1045  [Member]
12/5/2010 10:41:49 PM
It is absolutely marked as a Kengs/KFS imported, Polytech-logo'd factory-386 "AKS-762 SP 7.62X39mm SEMI-
AUTO". You can clearly see that the "SP" was added later.

Yes, it is a "modified AK for the 90's" - but in no way is this a Norinco "MAK90" or a Norinco-Tech mixmaster MAK.

The bayo-mount appears to have once been an underfolder spiker, as seen by the longish base of the FSB and the notched-for-bayo lower handguard. The thread protector is spot-welded here and there like you see on WASRs.

Amazingly, this is about the only pic I can find that comes close - the poorly scanned cover of a Keng's manual, but it at least shows the config I am describing;

http://www.vintagegunleather.com/gun-manuals/pdf_P/polytechnologies_aks762_sporter.pdf

So, is this rifle worth $797.00 total?

Edit - found this

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=189149530
AEnemaBay  [Team Member]
12/6/2010 10:40:05 AM
Originally Posted By mac1045:
It is absolutely marked as a Kengs/KFS imported, Polytech-logo'd factory-386 "AKS-762 SP 7.62X39mm SEMI-
AUTO". You can clearly see that the "SP" was added later.

Yes, it is a "modified AK for the 90's" - but in no way is this a Norinco "MAK90" or a Norinco-Tech mixmaster MAK.

The bayo-mount appears to have once been an underfolder spiker, as seen by the longish base of the FSB and the notched-for-bayo lower handguard. The thread protector is spot-welded here and there like you see on WASRs.

Amazingly, this is about the only pic I can find that comes close - the poorly scanned cover of a Keng's manual, but it at least shows the config I am describing;

http://www.vintagegunleather.com/gun-manuals/pdf_P/polytechnologies_aks762_sporter.pdf

So, is this rifle worth $797.00 total?

Edit - found this

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=189149530




Your rifle as it is now is worth maybe $500-600. It commands a slight premium over a full blown Mak-90 because it hasn't had all of the markings nuetered, but make no mistake that it is essentially a Mak-90 regardless if it is made by Polytech. I've owned and converted a few Polytech SP's and even though they look almost like the pre-ban Poly's except for the little "SP" electropencil mark they are not worth he pre-ban price.

I just sold one of my fully converted Poly SP's for $900 shipped, and that included a Poly chrome follower mag, correct single tab sling, and original Polytech cleaning kit.

I know it's not what you want to hear but your rifle isn't worth what you feel it is.
singtoe  [Member]
12/6/2010 10:41:10 AM
even less. As you can see, nobody bought it. I bought one last summer for $350. and it was and under folder.


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AEnemaBay  [Team Member]
12/6/2010 12:39:37 PM
Originally Posted By singtoe:
even less. As you can see, nobody bought it. I bought one last summer for$350. and it was and under folder.


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You said in that thread that you got it for $450.



ETA: Like the others said in that thread, you got one of those rare deals. So your purchase doesn't really set the standard value wise. But I still hate you for snagging that bad boy.
mac1045  [Member]
12/6/2010 12:44:16 PM
Oh well, live and learn. Anyway, I snagged it before reading these last few replies; $796.80 out the door.

Has 3 original 30rd mags with the chromed followers and a 5rd mag; all correctly marked. Plus the battered box, cleaning kit, green oil bottle and gas-port pick. Shot very, very little, given that the piston was barely smudgey.

If it wasn't the greatest deal, the karma will all equal out given past good deals. Will try to post pics later.
N4KVE  [Member]
12/6/2010 2:51:56 PM
Polytech & Norinco are sales agencies for the Chinese Gov't. To say a Polytech is great & a Norinco is crap is incorrect. That's like saying a GMC pickup is great, & a Chevy pickup is junk. They are both made at the same factory with slight trim changes. Yes the preban Poly's had a folding spiker, but they're made in the same factory as the Norinco. There are several factories in China where these guns are made, & both Polytech & Norinco are made side by side, like GMC & Chevy. Except for a few features which differentiate these guns, they are made with the same parts of the same quality. I had a Poly sidefolder with the red plastic furniture made in plant 416, & the Norinco version of the same gun made in plant 416 had a different pistol grip. Otherwise the guns were the same. So to think a Polytech is a Rolls Royce, & a Norinco is a Kia is a joke. GARY N4KVE
peter3  [Member]
12/6/2010 7:29:43 PM
I have the same rifle. The differences between the poly and norinco are spring loaded firing pin and hardened hammer, otherwise they are pretty much the same. I just added a us fcg, pg, and buttstock and cut the welds off the muzzle and added a us muzzle device. You paid a little too much but you could sell the poly-mags and make some of the money back or you could just keep it all. Either way you have an excellent shooter.

Peter3
singtoe  [Member]
12/6/2010 10:07:09 PM
Originally Posted By AEnemaBay:
Originally Posted By singtoe:
even less. As you can see, nobody bought it. I bought one last summer for$350. and it was and under folder.


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You said in that thread that you got it for $450.



ETA: Like the others said in that thread, you got one of those rare deals. So your purchase doesn't really set the standard value wise. But I still hate you for snagging that bad boy.

My apologies, I thought i bought it for $350. Now i feel ripped. I hope i can get my investment out of it.

All joking aside. My memory sucks. I rember when SKS's were $89 and ican't remember how muck the AK's were at that time. Last month, I bought a Norinco Sporter SKS which is just a short length SKS with a pistol grip that uses the AK magazine for $300 and just Bought a russian SKS for $250.
mac1045  [Member]
12/13/2010 12:44:17 PM
OK, have the correct no-ban furniture lined up. Before I commence with the buy and the de-ban work, just have to ask;

Is this caught-in-customs 89-ban victim PolyTech more valuable as a shooter in its 89-ban-config than in a pre-89-ban config? - I'm thinking in terms of a ban-state that allows pre-94-ban-config hi-cap guns (if such a state exists...).
I'd feel bad if I destroy this if it means this is the only way for a shooter to own an AK. Sheet, where I live AK configs don't mean anything.
ILAK  [Member]
12/13/2010 1:20:04 PM
One expensive MAK-90, but as long as you enjoy owning and shooting it, thats all that really matters.
mac1045  [Member]
12/14/2010 11:16:43 PM
And very little wear/tear, piston, ejector, or safety marks...





foxxnhound  [Team Member]
12/28/2010 2:03:31 PM
I have that same rifle, I paid 325 for it about 4 years ago with box, oiler and cleaning kit but no mags. The only think that has stopped me from putting a different stock on it is I would have to probably change out the FCG and this trigger is way nicer than my Tapco trigger WASR. I dont shoot it much at all, I bought it only because I found a Chinese drum for 75 bucks filled with cosmoline. I cleand up the drum, put it in the closet until this rifle came along. I have never even loaded the drum now that I think about it. You have a nice looking rifle shoot the piss out of it.
JacksBlackToys  [Member]
12/29/2010 9:24:28 PM
wonder why the box was shipped inside-out...

The box is inside out because a previous owner bought the box off of Gun Broker from a guy selling tons of Poly Tech stuff. He ships the box inside out to keep from getting the true outside dirty. Ask me how I know this. I've bought a couple from him and they came inside out, I reversed mine so they didn't look weird like yours does. You can buy a new box for about 12.00 but I think they only have the short underfolder boxes left..
mac1045  [Member]
12/31/2010 12:19:02 PM
Originally Posted By foxxnhound:
I have that same rifle, I paid 325 for it about 4 years ago with box, oiler and cleaning kit but no mags. The only think that has stopped me from putting a different stock on it is I would have to probably change out the FCG and this trigger is way nicer than my Tapco trigger WASR. I dont shoot it much at all, I bought it only because I found a Chinese drum for 75 bucks filled with cosmoline. I cleand up the drum, put it in the closet until this rifle came along. I have never even loaded the drum now that I think about it. You have a nice looking rifle shoot the piss out of it.


Same rifle, eh? What do you think about this scenario:

I just took it out to the range in nasty, 20degrees weather; and while I found the buttstock nice, the trigger really bit back.

I am not sure if it was the numbing weather, or true trigger slap - all my other AKs have Tapco G2 FCGs so I am not used to this (and I haven't shot a PolyTech since Bush I was screwing us over with his ban).

Apparently trigger-slap is extremely rare with PolyTechs - but it has happened. I plan on getting back out this weekend now that the weather went back up so as to confirm if this was trigger slap or just frozen fingers.

As for the Bush-hole stock, it felt just fine, but is really too "nice" for the style of rifle. If I keep the original PolyTech FCG I may swap in a "meaner looking" Romy PSL butt that I carved up the grip area on so as to feel less clumsy than originally shipped.

But - now that I have a Keng's NOS PolyTech butt and checkered pgrip on hand, I will most likely swap the FCG to a Tapco double-hook so as to complete "the AKM look".
mac1045  [Member]
12/31/2010 12:21:15 PM
Originally Posted By JacksBlackToys:
wonder why the box was shipped inside-out...

The box is inside out because a previous owner bought the box off of Gun Broker from a guy selling tons of Poly Tech stuff. He ships the box inside out to keep from getting the true outside dirty. Ask me how I know this. I've bought a couple from him and they came inside out, I reversed mine so they didn't look weird like yours does. You can buy a new box for about 12.00 but I think they only have the short underfolder boxes left..


Wow, I thought they originally sold the gun this way to play down the whole PolyTech thing!!

762AP  [Member]
1/6/2011 10:28:23 PM
How did it wind up with the Hungarian SA-85M thumbhole elm stock on it?
Chinese crap is always Chu wood.
bassackwards  [Member]
1/7/2011 7:11:05 AM
You paid $300 too much. By the time you add $100+ worth of wood and a $300 spike you could have had the real thing for much less
foxxnhound  [Team Member]
1/8/2011 3:52:50 PM
Originally Posted By mac1045:
Originally Posted By foxxnhound:
I have that same rifle, I paid 325 for it about 4 years ago with box, oiler and cleaning kit but no mags. The only think that has stopped me from putting a different stock on it is I would have to probably change out the FCG and this trigger is way nicer than my Tapco trigger WASR. I dont shoot it much at all, I bought it only because I found a Chinese drum for 75 bucks filled with cosmoline. I cleand up the drum, put it in the closet until this rifle came along. I have never even loaded the drum now that I think about it. You have a nice looking rifle shoot the piss out of it.


Same rifle, eh? What do you think about this scenario:

I just took it out to the range in nasty, 20degrees weather; and while I found the buttstock nice, the trigger really bit back.

I am not sure if it was the numbing weather, or true trigger slap - all my other AKs have Tapco G2 FCGs so I am not used to this (and I haven't shot a PolyTech since Bush I was screwing us over with his ban).

Apparently trigger-slap is extremely rare with PolyTechs - but it has happened. I plan on getting back out this weekend now that the weather went back up so as to confirm if this was trigger slap or just frozen fingers.

As for the Bush-hole stock, it felt just fine, but is really too "nice" for the style of rifle. If I keep the original PolyTech FCG I may swap in a "meaner looking" Romy PSL butt that I carved up the grip area on so as to feel less clumsy than originally shipped.

But - now that I have a Keng's NOS PolyTech butt and checkered pgrip on hand, I will most likely swap the FCG to a Tapco double-hook so as to complete "the AKM look".


That soundz like a great idea, please post pictures when you are complete. As far as the trigger goes,mine is perfect, no slap at all. Certainly if yours is uncomfortable then by all means replace it.
DaffyDuck  [Member]
1/9/2011 10:23:47 AM
A suggestion on your trigger, I would suggest one of the Texas AK trigger groups. They are much nicer than the Tapco, and cost about the same. I just installed one in a Yugo, it is great. I know what you mean about not wanting to replace that nice smooth Polytech trigger, I have the same dilemma on an SLR 95 that has the thumbhole stock. It is comfortable, so I will probably leave as is. Nice rifle you have there.
Peter3 is right about the mags, they are probably the nicest AK mags ever made and are not easily found, and if you do find some expect to pay through the nose.
Too much criticism here, you paid a little high but the days of $400 MAK 90's are long gone. Anyone who has one with box & accessories for $400 please call.

Here's a link on the trigger if you do decide to convert
Texas AK Triggers
mac1045  [Member]
1/12/2011 12:04:44 AM
Thanks for the info on the Texas Trigger. The weather here has become impossible to deal with else I'd get back out and re-evaluate the trigger again.