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Va_Dinger  [Team Member]
5/21/2004 1:33:38 AM
Let me just say that this is not mine nor do I have any connection with the seller. I just thought somebody might be interested. Authentic Russian SVD's do not come up for sale very often. I had to jump through some serious hoops to locate and buy mine. It certianly looks and sounds like its in great condition. The seller also seems to be telling the truth about how many rounds its fired. Notice that it does not have any of the dings on the aft section of the ejection port that Dragunov's develop after a certian number of rounds fired. Just missing the rear stock detachable cheek piece, but those can be found if you look hard enough. The last two that I've noticed for sale both sold for over $5,500. I have seen them sell for over $6,000. This would certianly be a gem to add to anybodys collection, if you've got the coin.

www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=18647276
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mattld  [Team Member]
5/21/2004 10:52:19 AM

Originally Posted By Va_Dinger:
This would certianly be a gem to add to anybodys collection, if you've got the coin.


Yeah it would. Unfortunately, I have no money.
M4_Aiming_at_U  [Team Member]
5/21/2004 2:40:44 PM
How many of these were imported before the ban?

Hers a pic of it too BTW:
mbakercad  [Member]
5/21/2004 2:47:25 PM
Members of another board are questioning its authenticity. Get the facts before you bid.
SouthernShark  [Member]
5/21/2004 2:47:35 PM
The only use I see for that rifle is in a movie or something. I wouldn't pay more than 1k for it, to be used as a shooter. Even as a collector piece, I feel the price to be excessive.
mbakercad  [Member]
5/21/2004 2:50:45 PM
According to www.dragunov.net only 100 Russian SVD's were imported. The one on auction is supposed to be a war bringback. Not sure how many of those exist.
Va_Dinger  [Team Member]
5/21/2004 3:04:15 PM

Originally Posted By mbakercad:
Members of another board are questioning its authenticity. Get the facts before you bid.



They always do, now matter what. Most of them have not been within ten miles of holding a true Russian SVD. I've owned one, complete with all assessories. My money would be bet its real.
mbakercad  [Member]
5/21/2004 3:17:57 PM
Perhaps. I just wanted to pass along the warning to the interested parties.

Va_Dinger...is that a Independant Fabrication logo? If so what do you ride mountain or road?
Va_Dinger  [Team Member]
5/21/2004 3:18:52 PM

Originally Posted By mbakercad:
Perhaps. I just wanted to pass along the warning to the interested parties.

Va_Dinger...is that a Independant Fabrication logo? If so what do you ride mountain or road?



Mountain, I own a Deluxe. Nicest bike I have ever owned. Handmade steel, only way to go.
mbakercad  [Member]
5/21/2004 3:50:56 PM
Nice bike! I have a older Cannondale hardtail mountain bike and just recently picked up a used Giant road bike. Does a steel mountain bike ride that much different than an aluminum one? What about weight?
Va_Dinger  [Team Member]
5/21/2004 4:35:08 PM

Originally Posted By mbakercad:
Nice bike! I have a older Cannondale hardtail mountain bike and just recently picked up a used Giant road bike. Does a steel mountain bike ride that much different than an aluminum one? What about weight?



Lets take this conversation to IM or emails.
mbakercad  [Member]
5/21/2004 5:11:56 PM
Emailed you earlier about the Drag
Va_Dinger  [Team Member]
5/21/2004 5:18:38 PM

Originally Posted By mbakercad:
Emailed you earlier about the Drag



10-4
dragunov  [Team Member]
5/22/2004 12:26:21 AM
I have a feeling its not Russian but Chinese. There are some tell-tale features on it. But I would believe its a bring-back as the Chinese drags can be found all over the place.

I would defenitely want to look closely at the markings first. Neither the Chinese not the Russian military guns have too many markings.
Va_Dinger  [Team Member]
5/22/2004 2:46:31 AM
I agree the seller should have posted some better pictures, including some of the markings. I truely believe the seller doesn't really know what hes got. From the pictures I've seen I still think its Russian. You guys could be correct in that hes just trying to pull a fast one though, the pictures are not really that good. I just remember the same type of "Its Not Really Russian" posts on all the boards about the Russian SVD that I bought. It turned out to be exactly as the seller descripted. A KBI imported Russian military barrel length SVD. I really don't trust the majority of posts about Russian SVD's anyway. They are so rare that only a handfull of people truely know what their talking about. Everybody has seen pictures or owned a NDM or PSL, that does not make you an expert in identifying Russian SVD's in my opinion. I will be watching to see what it sells for, if it goes for less than $5,000 and turns out to be the real deal somebody got a steal.
crazyquik  [Member]
5/22/2004 11:38:10 AM
What kinda war could you bring one of those back from though?

Unless you immigrated to the US I guess?
dragunov  [Team Member]
5/22/2004 1:17:16 PM
Ok here's an updated picture:


That's a Russian Izhevsk arsenal mark I believe.

This SVD must be the early pattern which the Chinese copied and that's why it looks Chinese, but is infact Russian. The tell-tale feature is the receiver cover and the lighteneing cut, though the latter can still be found on most SVD's.
Stottman  [Member]
5/22/2004 2:54:51 PM
Izhmash mark. Not sure what the commercial KBIs are marked, but the 1972 date probably means a bring back.

dragunov  [Team Member]
5/22/2004 3:21:42 PM
I updated my FAQ to better illustrate this issue.

KBI imported SVD:


Military SVD:



Va_Dinger  [Team Member]
5/22/2004 5:38:01 PM

Originally Posted By dragunov:
Ok here's an updated picture:
www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/647DSC00008.JPG

That's a Russian Izhevsk arsenal mark I believe.

This SVD must be the early pattern which the Chinese copied and that's why it looks Chinese, but is infact Russian. The tell-tale feature is the receiver cover and the lighteneing cut, though the latter can still be found on most SVD's.



I guess that ends the debate over if its the real deal or not. I wonder what it will sell for now?
coltshorty14  [Member]
5/22/2004 6:35:00 PM
Must hit lotto!!!!
Va_Dinger  [Team Member]
5/22/2004 7:00:29 PM

Originally Posted By coltshorty14:
Must hit lotto!!!!



Sad, but thats what it would take for me to bid on it too!
CAMPYBOB  [Site Staff]
5/22/2004 8:52:06 PM
Handmade steel, only way to go.

damn straight!

steel is real.

they can keep their aloominum, titanium and carbon fibre! give me italian steel tubes, a set of hand filed lugs and a skilled hand wielding the torch.

FORZA italia!
obershutze916  [Team Member]
5/22/2004 8:58:06 PM

Originally Posted By crazyquik:
What kinda war could you bring one of those back from though?

Unless you immigrated to the US I guess?



Vietnam for one.

I had a chance to pick one up for $150 American late one night in Hungary once. Had no freeking clue about how to get it back so I passed.
kythri  [Team Member]
5/22/2004 9:23:17 PM

Originally Posted By SouthernShark:
The only use I see for that rifle is in a movie or something. I wouldn't pay more than 1k for it, to be used as a shooter. Even as a collector piece, I feel the price to be excessive.



SAY WHAT?!

I paid $2100 for my Chinese SVD (NDM-86) in 7.62x54R, and that was a steal. I'd love to have a real Russian one, and $4000 for one isn't a horrible price at all.
Va_Dinger  [Team Member]
5/22/2004 9:58:17 PM

Originally Posted By CAMPYBOB:
Handmade steel, only way to go.

damn straight!

steel is real.

they can keep their aloominum, titanium and carbon fibre! give me italian steel tubes, a set of hand filed lugs and a skilled hand wielding the torch.

FORZA italia!



I could not agree more!
Va_Dinger  [Team Member]
5/25/2004 10:43:00 AM
Did anybody happen to notice what happened to the thread on this same SVD on GunNuts? Its a classic example of whats really wrong over there. I'm not going to say anything more becuase I don't want to start another pissing match with them. Now the thread is locked and due for a quick delete to cover up the fact that they might not know as much as would lead you to believe. It really opened my eyes to just how bad things have gotten.

www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?s=9ebc5f5dd0753a6e96b4f10e0f5d9b51&threadid=183528
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