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AMD-65 Without Stock and Flash Hider Legal?
5/25/2012 10:28:21 AM
It becomes U.S. pistol like Draco (legally), right?
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5/25/2012 10:37:02 AM
Once a rifle, always a rifle.
5/25/2012 10:50:33 AM
Meaning it would have to be tax-stamped as an SBR if both the wire stock and flash hider were removed?
5/25/2012 11:30:21 AM
Or. Demill the receiver. And rebuild it as a pistol on a new receiver.
5/25/2012 11:31:52 AM
Depends which state you live in. As far as the Feds are concerned, if it has a 16" barrel, it's still a rifle w/o a buttstock, & that's fine. However, some states have a minimum length the gun must be, like 26". Dracos are built as pistols, but you can't make a rifle into a pistol unless you go the NFA route. GARY N4KVE
5/25/2012 12:38:55 PM
So, just to make sure I have this down correctly, I could take a Draco or other pistol, weld on a muzzle extension to >16", put a butt stock on it and be legal. But if I later wanted to remove the buttstock and muzzle extension that would be illegal, barring SBRing?
5/25/2012 1:08:08 PM
According to the law, yes. GARY N4KVE
5/25/2012 1:31:45 PM
Pistol is always capable of being a pistol.
Rifle is always a rifle.
Pistol can be a carbine.
A Carbine is a pistol with a 16 inch barrel, and a stock.
Remove the stock and barrel from a carbine- poof it's a pistol again.
All that is described as happening in Texas.
Rifle is always a rifle.
Pistol can be a carbine.
A Carbine is a pistol with a 16 inch barrel, and a stock.
Remove the stock and barrel from a carbine- poof it's a pistol again.
All that is described as happening in Texas.
5/25/2012 1:36:59 PM
Originally Posted By 1IV:
Pistol is always capable of being a pistol.
Rifle is always a rifle.
Pistol can be a carbine.
A Carbine is a pistol with a 16 inch barrel, and a stock.
Remove the stock and barrel from a carbine- poof it's a pistol again.
All that is described as happening in Texas.
Pistol is always capable of being a pistol.
Rifle is always a rifle.
Pistol can be a carbine.
A Carbine is a pistol with a 16 inch barrel, and a stock.
Remove the stock and barrel from a carbine- poof it's a pistol again.
All that is described as happening in Texas.
But if you add the stock to a pistol that still has the <16" barrel, you just made an unregistered SBR and that's trouble.
Always lengthen the barrel first and shorten it last when converting.
5/25/2012 9:24:34 PM
Originally Posted By 1IV:
Pistol is always capable of being a pistol.
Rifle is always a rifle.
Pistol can be a carbine.
A Carbine is a pistol with a 16 inch barrel, and a stock.
Remove the stock and barrel from a carbine- poof it's a pistol again.
All that is described as happening in Texas.
Pistol is always capable of being a pistol.
Rifle is always a rifle.
Pistol can be a carbine.
A Carbine is a pistol with a 16 inch barrel, and a stock.
Remove the stock and barrel from a carbine- poof it's a pistol again.
All that is described as happening in Texas.
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Not exactly.
1. ATF (as of last August) has said it is legal to take a pistol, add a barrel of at least 16", a shoulder stock and with at least a 26" OAL you have a "rifle" AND by removing the shoulder stock and 16" bbl return the firearm to its original configuration as a "handgun". Prior to last August, ATF had held that "once a rifle, always a rifle". The Supreme Court ruling in favor of Thompson Center was the foundation for this August ATF ruling:http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2011-4.pdf
2. No such animal in ATF regs as a "carbine".
5/25/2012 10:12:15 PM
I'll just leave the folder attached.
working on another car gun
working on another car gun
5/25/2012 11:29:52 PM
Did one person write this regulation or was it a full room of like-minded retards brain storming?
Does anyone know?
5/26/2012 12:02:06 AM
Originally Posted By LungShot:
Did one person write this regulation or was it a full room of like-minded retards brain storming?
Does anyone know?
Our nonsensical firearms regulations are the result of the national Firearms Act of 1934.
The original act would have prohibited any concealable firearm in addition to machine guns, silencers, etc without a tax stamp, but would have left shotguns and rifles with 18"bbl & 26" OAL alone. (the minimum length for rifles was changed after WWII)
At some point handguns were removed before the Act was passed.....hence the idiocy of short barreled rifles and shotguns requiring a tax stamp.
Many folks blame ATF for their interpretation of this federal law, I blame Congress for passsing a law that is so vague it defies logic. In essence, ATF as a regulatory agency had to formulate regulations based on a poorly written law.
5/26/2012 12:35:05 AM
Originally Posted By 1IV:
Pistol is always capable of being a pistol.
Rifle is always a rifle.
Pistol can be a carbine.
A Carbine is a pistol with a 16 inch barrel, and a stock.
Remove the stock and barrel from a carbine- poof it's a pistol again.
All that is described as happening in Texas.
Pistol is always capable of being a pistol.
Rifle is always a rifle.
Pistol can be a carbine.
A Carbine is a pistol with a 16 inch barrel, and a stock.
Remove the stock and barrel from a carbine- poof it's a pistol again.
All that is described as happening in Texas.
yes thats it a pistol may be converted to a rifle, then back to pistol form, but never the other way around... so if you drilled a draco for a ace folder, youd have to weld in the holes after
5/26/2012 10:52:32 AM
Originally Posted By DogtownTom:
Our nonsensical firearms regulations are the result of the national Firearms Act of 1934.
The original act would have prohibited any concealable firearm in addition to machine guns, silencers, etc without a tax stamp, but would have left shotguns and rifles with 18"bbl & 26" OAL alone. (the minimum length for rifles was changed after WWII)
At some point handguns were removed before the Act was passed.....hence the idiocy of short barreled rifles and shotguns requiring a tax stamp.
Many folks blame ATF for their interpretation of this federal law, I blame Congress for passsing a law that is so vague it defies logic. In essence, ATF as a regulatory agency had to formulate regulations based on a poorly written law.
Originally Posted By LungShot:
Did one person write this regulation or was it a full room of like-minded retards brain storming?
Does anyone know?
Our nonsensical firearms regulations are the result of the national Firearms Act of 1934.
The original act would have prohibited any concealable firearm in addition to machine guns, silencers, etc without a tax stamp, but would have left shotguns and rifles with 18"bbl & 26" OAL alone. (the minimum length for rifles was changed after WWII)
At some point handguns were removed before the Act was passed.....hence the idiocy of short barreled rifles and shotguns requiring a tax stamp.
Many folks blame ATF for their interpretation of this federal law, I blame Congress for passsing a law that is so vague it defies logic. In essence, ATF as a regulatory agency had to formulate regulations based on a poorly written law.
Congress..
go figure
5/26/2012 4:48:21 PM
An AMD-65 without a stock or muzzle device is an AOW because of the vertical foregrip
5/26/2012 5:48:52 PM
Originally Posted By TheGrandIllusion:
An AMD-65 without a stock or muzzle device is an AOW because of the vertical foregrip
An AMD-65 without a stock or muzzle device is an AOW because of the vertical foregrip
Not necessarily.
An AMD-65 Pistol can become an AOW when you add the verticle forward grip.
If you have an AMD-65 Rifle....remove the buttstock and/or flashider and you have created a short barrelled rifle.
You cannot manufacture an AOW from an existing rifle, only from a handgun or stripped receiver.
