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 Range report for my Dragunov (NDM-86 .308)
dskeet  [Member]
3/12/2010 3:28:24 PM EST
Hey guys,
I don't usually get into range reports or anything, but I remember some asked me to post one when I posted about getting this gun. I also figure these are pretty rare and most are safe queens, so people might be curious about them.

It's my Norinco NDM-86. Chinese variant of the Dragunov SVD chambered in 7.62x51mm (yes, NATO, you read that right)

Required pic:


I took it out to a 100 yard range today. That's as long as ranges go around here, I live pretty close to DC so it's a crowded area. I was using the 4x scope that came with the gun.

At first I was shooting some Portuguese surplus ammo from the 1970's that my brother bought several years ago. First few rounds fired ok, none of the common issues with these guns occurred. Fifth round had a failure to extract. I punched the case out with a cleaning rod and it looked pretty chewed up. I ended up placing blame for the malfunction on the round. I didn't have any other issues.

I made sure it was on paper at 25 yards, then moved it out to 100 yard. I fired three shots and then switched to a different target. I did this to make it easier to see how it grouped. Next cease fire I go and take a look... and all three holes are all over the place. Hmmmmm. I was a tad concerned, went back to the bench and told my brother. He says, "I guess all those things are is collector value." I let him know that the gun should be able to do MUCH better. So I load up some Remington Express Core-Lokt rounds. It's just some random ammo we had at the house, I figured it would be good to take some solid commercial ammo in case the Portuguese had any issues. I think it's just hunting ammo, nothing special really.

Same deal, fire off three rounds then switch targets. Next cease fire I head down range and have a look. Here is what I found...



(the random holes at the bottom was the Portuguese ammo)

That's more like it! Looks like right about a 1.25" group. I'm VERY happy with this. I'm not an experienced bench rest shooter by any stretch. Most of what I do is things like reflexive fire drills I did in the Army. So I'm sure with actual match ammo and some practice this rifle should be sub-MOA just like all the hype says.

Yeah, this was an expensive rifle. But I'm glad it has lived up to my expectations.

Aaaand, I guess a pic of me at the trigger couldn't hurt.



That's all for now
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w107rsf  [Team Member]
3/12/2010 3:30:47 PM EST
ohhh I hate you
I wish I had one....looks good
JakeATW  [Member]
3/12/2010 4:05:08 PM EST
Originally Posted By w107rsf:
ohhh I hate you
I wish I had one....looks good


+1

I'll never get to go to Disney Land because of you people!
TX-Zen  [Team Member]
3/12/2010 4:13:37 PM EST
I think I mentioned this before but my experience with 168gr Winchester ballistic silvertips was .74" at 100 yards, 7 or 8 round group. I was able to repeat that on several occasions, but .74" appeared to be the best of all the trips.
With a lot of decent 308 it would hold a steady 1 moa as long as I didn't let the barrel get too hot, which caused the obvious vertical stringing.

I've also heard the bipod hinders accuracy on any Dragunov, so you might try with just sand bags next time. Other Dragunov owners mentioned they like the thinner stadia lines of the chinese 4x24 because it was easier to take a more precise aiming point, compared to the thicker russian 8x42 lines which I agree makes it just a little harder to get exactly back in the same spot. Eventually I also switched back to the 4x24 chinese for mostly the same reasons but also because I prefer the overall wider field of view due to the lower magnification.



Nice shooting and glad you like it...I almost wish I hadn't sold mine, but no regrets. I still have a 54R and might pick another 308 up some day.


Did you ever talk to PA Distributing about getting the FP rounded off?
dskeet  [Member]
3/12/2010 4:27:41 PM EST
Nah, I never really looked into have the FP worked on. I figured I'd take the gun shooting and see if any issues turned up before I had anyone mess with it. None of the primers looked like they were close to puncturing or anything, so I'll just keep everything as is for the time being. I probably won't be shooting this that often anyway. If I ever have issues I'll get it checked out.

I'm really not all that concerned with squeezing all the accuracy out of this rifle. I'm quite content with what I shot today. Bench rest really isn't my thing anyway. Being able to put rounds in a 1 inch box at 100 yards is plenty accurate enough for the shooting I do. It's just too bad our dirt cheap surplus ammo was about as accurate as a shotgun..haha

Is the PA distributing you're talking about the one in MD that seems to be all about Yugo rifles? Just making sure I have the right place bookmarked in case I ever need it.

I actually want to get one in 54r now..haha I'll probably seek out a nice Tigr next time I'm in the market for something like this. The Norincos in 54r are just too expensive, on GB they are all like 4 grand.
burlysoldier  [Team Member]
3/12/2010 4:42:18 PM EST
It looks awesome. How much did that thing run ya?
dskeet  [Member]
3/12/2010 4:58:31 PM EST
$2,800

I sold my PS90 and a set of high end car racing seats to raise the funds. No regrets so far.
omar  [Team Member]
3/12/2010 5:34:40 PM EST
I regret not buying one of these when CDNN had them.

Jim
P08  [Team Member]
3/12/2010 5:59:03 PM EST
Hmmm, I'll bet you didn't get this with yours did you?
Rayman1  [Member]
3/12/2010 6:09:13 PM EST
Originally Posted By P08:
Hmmm, I'll bet you didn't get this with yours did you?
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a368/DEG169/SVD.jpg


Available on Gunbroker - one gets listed on there every once in a while. If you want something really hard to find by itself, the Chinese-made Type II bayonet that was shipped with the NDM-86 rifles is quite a challenge:




DevilPig  [Team Member]
3/12/2010 6:12:15 PM EST
Beautiful rifle! And nice groups too
P08  [Team Member]
3/12/2010 6:20:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By Rayman1:
Originally Posted By P08:
Hmmm, I'll bet you didn't get this with yours did you?
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a368/DEG169/SVD.jpg


Available on Gunbroker - one gets listed on their every once in a while.


Holy crap! they sell for up to $80! Mine will be up for sale very soon!
orkman  [Team Member]
3/12/2010 6:36:51 PM EST
Hey thanks for posting your group. I am very jealous, maybe some day.
dskeet  [Member]
3/12/2010 10:57:02 PM EST
Yeah, mine didn't come with all the factory accessories. No manual (no big deal, they are on GB regularly), no cleaning rod(on GB too), and no bayonet (don't really care, I'll get one someday). I used the fact these were missing as leverage to get a lower price on the gun, so it all worked out.

Originally Posted By orkman:
Hey thanks for posting your group. I am very jealous, maybe some day.


I was the jealous guys for years..haha I've wanted one since 2002 or so.. back when you could still get them brand new for $1400.. and I thought that was too expensive. But prices just kept going up, so I decided it was time to do whatever I had to do to make this happen. I'm glad I finally just bit the bullet and made it happen, I'm much happier with this rifle than the PS90 I sold (too expensive to shoot to be worthwhile).
burlysoldier  [Team Member]
3/13/2010 11:05:27 AM EST
Originally Posted By dskeet:
$2,800

I sold my PS90 and a set of high end car racing seats to raise the funds. No regrets so far.


Goddayum! Thats a spensive!! But still a sweet rifle.. Congrats!!
Beyond_Visual_Range  [Member]
3/13/2010 11:16:51 AM EST
Damn, 2800 is expensive....may be I have priced these lately, in my mind these are still around $1800 when CDNN was selling them three years ago.
chowchow  [Member]
3/13/2010 11:22:13 AM EST
It was used by CHicom Special Police Snipers during the Beijing Olympics . They sure are nice to have. It s not bad for a semi auto sniper rifle.
acman145acp  [Team Member]
3/13/2010 12:10:22 PM EST
I've only shot a couple of those they are nice.
Congrats.
dskeet  [Member]
3/13/2010 2:12:11 PM EST
The price is up there. In my opinion these are $1,200 dollar guns(probably cost the Chinese $100 to make). But import ban means no more are coming in the country, so like everything Norinco/Polytech, the prices are only going up.

At the current price, for me it was pretty much get one now or just forget about ever getting one.
Rayman1  [Member]
3/13/2010 3:28:06 PM EST
Originally Posted By chowchow:
It was used by CHicom Special Police Snipers during the Beijing Olympics . They sure are nice to have. It s not bad for a semi auto sniper rifle.


Actually, they used the Type 79 rifles in 7x62x54R and a few other rifles but no Dragunov in .308.

Good stuff. Magazines and parts are going to be a real bear to get for the .308 variant.

ILove2Shoot  [Industry Partner]
3/15/2010 8:54:13 PM EST
I have had mine for w few years now and completely love it. with time and the right ammo, you will find this can is very capable of MOA and Sub moa groups.
navvet89  [Team Member]
3/16/2010 10:25:40 AM EST
try some "Winchester Supreme Nosler Ballistic Silver Tip" ammo in it, I use that in my hunting rifles and it is very good ammo.

It costs but it should pull good groups :)
rube79  [Team Member]
3/16/2010 10:41:49 AM EST
Love it and thanks for sharing!
GTwannabe  [Member]
3/16/2010 11:04:31 AM EST
Any trouble with vertical shot stringing when the barrel heats up, or is that just a PSL issue?
dskeet  [Member]
3/16/2010 11:07:53 AM EST
I'm pretty sure that is an issue with any SVD or PSL, but I didn't fire enough rounds in a row for it to happen.
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