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 romy psl or a mosin nagant sniper?
madmerc  [Member]
3/9/2009 5:18:22 AM EST
which one would be good rifle,just need some input and ideas,,thank you
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Chris_1522  [Team Member]
3/9/2009 5:19:31 AM EST
They're both good rifles, both are blast to shoot.

The Mosin does have more accuracy potential, though.
kilroymcb  [Team Member]
3/9/2009 6:17:43 AM EST
The PU rifle I had was kind of a pain. Eye relief was unforgiving, the bolt throw was uncomfortable and frequently sticky on extraction and the trigger was terrible.

I sold it and went with the PSL. ALl in all, I get more fun out of it.
frick  [Member]
3/9/2009 6:52:36 AM EST
The Moisin Nagant, has probably millions of kills versus the FPK which hasn't seen much combat, and will be inherently MORE unreliable only because its a semi auto, and subject to the issues that affect any more mechanically complex system.

The "Issues" you list above, are probably the result of an overused, worn out rifle, as opposed to most of the MN's out there.

I have sold dozens of MN's, and only one had issues, and it was a bottom dollar, well worn, el cheapo one, not one of the better aresnal refinished ones, also, it was not a russian variant, but other com block production. An over sized chamber, gave it extraction issues, plain and simple, it was worn out.

If you have ever handled a "Sniper" type MN, the bent bolt, aids immeasurably in the handling and cycling of the bolt.

I agree the standard scope is outdated, but its an easy to remove the existing mount, and to tap the receiver for one of the aftermarket mounts, to attach modern optics.

You can find Bent Bolt Moisins, in the Shotgun news for less than 160 bucks, 40 bucks for a mount, and the cost of a scope, and you have a Sniper set up at about a quarter of the cost of the FPK, hell, you could even get a full case of 7N1, at its going rate of 600 bucks a case(880 rounds) and be capable of dropping 800 plus Zombies, or something worse, if the sheeeat ever hits the fan, AND still be in the price range of the FPK.

And, it would be easier to clean the corrosive ammo residue, with an MN as opposed the FPK.


Bottom line, if your aim, is to put as many rounds downrange for the Dollar, go MN, if you got the Cheese, and no limit on your budget, go FPK, or just get both, as I have done.


Obi_wang  [Member]
3/9/2009 9:53:21 AM EST
you could go with a Finnish mosin as well, I have heard good things about thier accuracy as well.
Chris_1522  [Team Member]
3/9/2009 10:14:16 AM EST
Originally Posted By Obi_wang:
you could go with a Finnish mosin as well, I have heard good things about thier accuracy as well.


These Finnish Mosins should be quite the tack drivers...


I did not need to know about that. Not at all........


Otherwise, the basic Finn was as accurate as the best Russ 91/30. 2moa on cheap surp, 1.5 on nice ammo, than it's rare air....

If you get a good Finn, and some Mojo sights, you can be 2moa on very affordable ammo for about $300, and it's so much easier to clean.

Obi_wang  [Member]
3/9/2009 10:57:42 AM EST
Originally Posted By Chris_1522:
Originally Posted By Obi_wang:
you could go with a Finnish mosin as well, I have heard good things about thier accuracy as well.


These Finnish Mosins should be quite the tack drivers...




yeah, but for a grand...
kilroymcb  [Team Member]
3/9/2009 3:02:14 PM EST
Originally Posted By frick:
The Moisin Nagant, has probably millions of kills versus the FPK which hasn't seen much combat, and will be inherently MORE unreliable only because its a semi auto, and subject to the issues that affect any more mechanically complex system.

The "Issues" you list above, are probably the result of an overused, worn out rifle, as opposed to most of the MN's out there.

I have sold dozens of MN's, and only one had issues, and it was a bottom dollar, well worn, el cheapo one, not one of the better aresnal refinished ones, also, it was not a russian variant, but other com block production. An over sized chamber, gave it extraction issues, plain and simple, it was worn out.

If you have ever handled a "Sniper" type MN, the bent bolt, aids immeasurably in the handling and cycling of the bolt.

I agree the standard scope is outdated, but its an easy to remove the existing mount, and to tap the receiver for one of the aftermarket mounts, to attach modern optics.

You can find Bent Bolt Moisins, in the Shotgun news for less than 160 bucks, 40 bucks for a mount, and the cost of a scope, and you have a Sniper set up at about a quarter of the cost of the FPK, hell, you could even get a full case of 7N1, at its going rate of 600 bucks a case(880 rounds) and be capable of dropping 800 plus Zombies, or something worse, if the sheeeat ever hits the fan, AND still be in the price range of the FPK.

And, it would be easier to clean the corrosive ammo residue, with an MN as opposed the FPK.


Bottom line, if your aim, is to put as many rounds downrange for the Dollar, go MN, if you got the Cheese, and no limit on your budget, go FPK, or just get both, as I have done.




The rifle I mentioned was a legitimate PU sniper from 1943... not a remake or reanything. It certainly wasn't worn out, either. Further, the bent bolt, in my opinion, was slower to cycle then the regular straight bolt handle. It did nothing at all for adding leverage for extraction because the of the way the bent bolt interfaced with the stock. You couldnt get your hand up under the bolt handle to "slap" like you can with a straight bolt. You had to cupt it with thumb and forefinger or use the very bottom edge of your hand.

Also, the straight stock on the mosin isnt as comfortable as the dragunov style stock on the PSL. The M39's are much better in this respect.

As someone who's owned more then a dozen mosin's, I can say that the "sticky bolt" syndrome is not simply an isolated incident. Its endemic with Mosin's and just comes with the territory. If you buy one, you're going to have to deal with the possibilty.

WildGoose  [Member]
3/9/2009 4:14:40 PM EST
In my ,for what its worth, opinion you cant go wrong either way. I own several MNs both Finn and Ruskie. Most shoot well enough with the right ammo. Same for the one PSL I have. I enjoy both types. Once you get on the 54r band wagon you may as well get both!
frick  [Member]
3/11/2009 12:33:37 PM EST
As someone who owns about two dozen MN's, in all varietys from el cheapo shooters to an original WW2 vintage "sniper" type, with about every variation in between, hex, round, laminated, M38, M44, 91, 91/30, etc, etc, I have found that the "endemic" extraction problems are more often than not, misdiagnosed as a problem, because most American shooters, have teethed on bolt action rifles, who at WORST, are far smoother than the typical new, or as new Moisin Nagant.

If you compare a Moising Nagant to a US issue Krag rifle, which is perhaps the smoothest action I have ever encountered, its like sanding something with a rock, compared to 400 grit wet sandpaper.

However, both came to military acceptance at about the same time, and the Krag is over a hundred years out of service, and the Moisin, is still probably in the arsenals of a few countries, and still probably seeing use in guerilla operations across the world, if only because it uses a still produced, available caliber.

The typical moisin, in great condition, is going to take far more effort to cycle, than most other factory produced rifles, because ease of manufacture, speed of manufacture, and brutal reliability, were necessary, especially when issuing the rifle was done far more often to a conscript, than a trained, and spit polished soldier.

I define extraction problems with a moisin, as when its just not difficult, but impossible to cycle the action, in a repeated, shooting operation, if you can smack it hard enough with your hand, and extract the case, its still a potential, albeit, less efficient killing machine.

When you cant open the bolt without dropping the weapon from your shoulder, and using a tool of some type to pound the bolt open, then, you have an extraction problem, not an extraction difficulty.

Its just the nature of the beast, and why you can buy one almost anywhere from 50 to 80 bucks.
GotAK  [Member]
3/11/2009 3:09:46 PM EST
While the PSL is fun, you will likely get better accuracy out of the m91/30.
Basically Fun factory vs History factor.
GotAK  [Member]
3/11/2009 3:11:18 PM EST
Originally Posted By frick:
As someone who owns about two dozen MN's, in all varietys from el cheapo shooters to an original WW2 vintage "sniper" type, with about every variation in between, hex, round, laminated, M38, M44, 91, 91/30, etc, etc, I have found that the "endemic" extraction problems are more often than not, misdiagnosed as a problem, because most American shooters, have teethed on bolt action rifles, who at WORST, are far smoother than the typical new, or as new Moisin Nagant.

If you compare a Moising Nagant to a US issue Krag rifle, which is perhaps the smoothest action I have ever encountered, its like sanding something with a rock, compared to 400 grit wet sandpaper.

However, both came to military acceptance at about the same time, and the Krag is over a hundred years out of service, and the Moisin, is still probably in the arsenals of a few countries, and still probably seeing use in guerilla operations across the world, if only because it uses a still produced, available caliber.

The typical moisin, in great condition, is going to take far more effort to cycle, than most other factory produced rifles, because ease of manufacture, speed of manufacture, and brutal reliability, were necessary, especially when issuing the rifle was done far more often to a conscript, than a trained, and spit polished soldier.

I define extraction problems with a moisin, as when its just not difficult, but impossible to cycle the action, in a repeated, shooting operation, if you can smack it hard enough with your hand, and extract the case, its still a potential, albeit, less efficient killing machine.

When you cant open the bolt without dropping the weapon from your shoulder, and using a tool of some type to pound the bolt open, then, you have an extraction problem, not an extraction difficulty.

Its just the nature of the beast, and why you can buy one almost anywhere from 50 to 80 bucks.


With good non laquer cased ammunition and a few hundred rounds down the bore an m91/30 action should turn to butter.
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